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Topic: The music of teenage alienation

Howard L
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Okay, I admit to a few guilty pleasures on the WB, namely Roswell & Dawson's Creek. I basically discovered the latter one night maybe a season & a half ago and have stayed with it since despite the overage actors and some pretty bad writing. MAD TV did an on-the-mark satire not long ago and I laughed right along with them. As for Roswell, I've been a faithful viewer from inception despite even worse writing and misgivings that what it takes to tell in a half-hour doesn't cut it when expanded to an hour each week.ANYWAY, last night was the big season finale for Roswell and it contained a devastating scene that merely came off as isn't-that-a-shame. And I think the music had a lot to do with it. Both of these shows pretty much rely on modern pop that WB can hawk prior to next week's previews and to me this is the zenith of crass commercialism in the television/film industry. On the other hand, what music is appropriate to underscore today's explosive generation? I mean a pop score seemed to work well for The Breakfast Club which wasn't that long ago. And I've always enjoyed Rosenman's standard approach to Rebel Without A Cause from much longer ago.
There is something different to me, though, about these 2 WB shows and it's embodied in an element that is certainly contemporary and one of extreme internal combustion: they're almost all children of divorce. Pleasantville them ain't. So now we go back to the music. I'm not bothered by the pop songs, per se, except that they're mostly lousy pop songs performed by lousy-sounding pop singers. And what little underscoring there is is mostly vapid and empty.
These kids from broken homes and failed marriages are desperately trying to fit in and find themselves. The same can be said for the music being employed. Which may sound appropriate if you're looking for irony. You know that scene I mentioned above, the one from Roswell? It's one of the oldest in the book: Boy loves girl, Boy's destiny involves another, Girl understands, she walks away crushed. Sounds simple, right? Doesn't matter; her & for that matter his pain had to be indescribable. It was heart-breaking. And the scene deserved much more than some throwaway pop mess referenced by a website address at the end to entice you into looking and maybe buying.
posted 05-16-2000 09:38 AM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Never watched either show, but from your detailed description, the music from Grand Canyon by James Newton Howard jumped into my brain.Just the first thought...
posted 05-16-2000 11:12 AM PT (US) 
Howard L
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Interesting in that I love Grand Canyon's score but the electronic underpinnings you may be alluding to do fall into play...but in more of a Twin Peaks manner (?).
posted 05-16-2000 12:07 PM PT (US) 
Al

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I saw that you mentioned MAD TV and I was immediately reminded of a skit about Randy Newman scoring a Star Wars movie that aired last summer. Every song he made up ended with the same piano notes. Helping him compose? Rob Zombie of course! It was one of their most hilarious skits. Did anyone else catch this?
NP - Zimmer's "I'll Do Anything"posted 05-16-2000 12:11 PM PT (US) 
Boris

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Teenage alienation...Hmmmmmm.
Takes me back to the Charles Fox score for "Goodbye, Columbus", back in 1968.
posted 05-16-2000 08:46 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Oh, MAN!
I LOVED Goodbye, Columbus when I was in high school!
If my parents had any idea what the film was about, I wouldn't have been allowed to see it!
I played Charles Fox's music until the disc was smooth!
posted 05-17-2000 04:41 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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MEMO TO BORIS & CHRIS: You're right. But I was annoyed by that cheezy & obligatorily referential phrase sung by The Association: "Hello life, goodbye Columbus."Coincidentally, I recently read Roth's story. I like it when Brenda's brother asks Neil whether Neil's preference is for Mantovani or Kostelanetz.
posted 05-17-2000 06:16 PM PT (US) 
Boris

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Isn't that line in the movie???
I remember a crack about Mantovani records being in the film...but I haven't seen this one for (literally) decades! I'd LOVE to see it again!
You're right, Luscious, the "Goodbye, Columbus" line was cheezy & obligatory, and I even knew that when I was a teenager. But I sure did love that music, and I'd like to hear it again!
(I've always been a sucker for Charles Fox's Barbarella score too...a reeeally guilty pleasure!)
posted 05-17-2000 07:36 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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So there I was leaving the library at 5 minutes to closing, saw that I was passing the video section, stopped, browsed, FOUND Goodbye, Columbus and now I will be watching it for the first time over the weekend. Have always been aware of it, just never got around to seeing the darn thing. Will report back.
posted 05-18-2000 07:15 AM PT (US) 
S Smith
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I only watch "Roswell" because they film it in my town. Hee hee. It ain't a great show. However, Commander Riker...er...Jonathan Frakes, who Exec. Produces the show, wants to take it in a more sci-fi direction, rather than just FOCUSING on the teen angst. That being said, I think the past few shows have been a lot better. Which I guess isn't saying much.In regards to the actual use of pop music, or whatnot, I think one of the best uses of a "pop" song I've seen on T.V. this season was in an episode of the now (sadly) defunct "Freaks and Geeks." They used Billy Joel's "Rosalinda's Eyes," and for the scene, it worked REALLY well. Oh, and it seemed to me there was one scene in "Roswell" that I thought made good use of a song. Don't remember the scene or the song, but I remember it working.
But doesn't that WB nonsense hack you off? "Tonight's episode of [fill in the show] featured music by [fill in the bands]" I wonder if that's how they get out of paying royalties. Say, "Hey, we'll give you free advertising if you don't charge us." Cheap-o.
posted 05-18-2000 11:38 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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Had a great time watching Goodbye, Columbus last night. Oh, was this pure Roth. Young Mr. Benjamin sounded an awful lot like Ron Leibman. The gal on Law & Order continues to amaze with her Ali McGraw resemblance. But they were both excellent. Bit of a haunting ending. As for the music, I found it generic sounding in a mid-to-late 60s TV-ish way ("Love, American Style"?). Noticed that what underscoring there was was limited to transitions and scenes without dialogue. It is disgusting how this exciting era can now look so quaint! The older brother character was a hoot.
posted 05-29-2000 12:10 PM PT (US) 
Boris

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quote:
As for the music, I found it generic sounding in a mid-to-late 60s TV-ish way ("Love, American Style"?).Well, D-UH!
Charles Fox was responsible for both, and his sound typified the 60's.
posted 06-06-2000 05:59 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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The name of Richard Benjamin's character is NEIL KLUGMAN. And the role of Mr. Patimkin was essayed by JACK KLUGMAN. Is that goofadelic or what? Pauline Kael once made mention of Richard Benjamin's tendency to cackle. And that sometimes his voice would unexpectedly break.There is a sung refrain at the end: "You were so good to me." When I heard that, it made me think of a girl that I once mistreated. And it made me feel terribly guilty. Which is only right.
Memo to Howard: Look for a movie called LOVERS AND OTHER STRANGERS. It contains my all-time favorite piece of music. It's a flute tune called "I Am You, You Are Me, We Are One" by Fred Karlin.
posted 06-06-2000 06:55 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Drat! You crumbum, Howard! I knew that I wanted to slug you one for SOMETHING. This thread was it! Watching Dawson's Creek.......<slap>!!!! I couldn't believe you were copping to that! I felt the same way when I read that originally that I felt when I heard that Yeltsin resigned. In other words, it's a sign of the apocalypse.Anyway, just wanted to mention this,
ShaunNP---The Fly II (yet another re-listen sparked by a Detroit conversation)
posted 06-06-2000 11:47 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
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"Charles Fox was responsible for both, and his sound typified the 60's."Wow. I had no idea he was behind Love American Style & that "sound." Good to know I still retain that wild & crazy film music ear.
Lazlo: I can "hear" the famous theme from Lovers And Other Strangers as I type. Has a "Greek" sound & beat, no? I think I used to mix it up with that famous theme from A Man And A Woman. They used to play them a lot on easy listening stations when I was growing up.
Shaun: Looking forward to YOUR first "Fact or Fiction?" piece.
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