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H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Who's got em? What're they like? I don't need COMA/LOGAN'S RUN -- I think -- but I intend to pick up THE LAST RUN/WILD ROVERS. Anybody know if there's extra music on either release? On WILD ROVERS, I was thinking there should be an extra cue that was on the MCA LP rerelease, but not on the original MGM LP. Can't remember its title, I've never heard it (except maybe inside the movie, which I mostly disliked -- taped it off cable, but decided not to keep it. Although Goldsmith himself called it "a beautiful film, one of Blake Edwards' best." In turn, asked about his collaboration with Henry Mancini, Edwards pointed out he'd worked with Goldsmith this one time, and really loved what he did for the movie. He didn't explain why Mancini didn't do it, but Mancini was hardly known for Westerns at this time. Studio politics, no doubt.) NP: PSYCHO (Joel McNeely version)
posted 05-14-2000 09:28 PM PT (US)

Ford A. Thaxton Oscar® Winner	FYI, For a variety of legal and publishing reasons, Chapter 3 can only issue these releases from the MGM Record catalogue in their orignal form. In short, they can't add any additional music, period. In the case of both THE LAST RUN and THE WILD ROVERS, they aren't the soundtrack recordings, but rather are re-recordings done for album release. I hope this clears this matter up. Regards Ford A. Thaxton
posted 05-15-2000 12:44 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	Well, I made a very good sounding CDR of my LP of THE LAST RUN, and I also have COMA on LP. I think maybe I'll steer clear of these re-releases. I wonder what they sound like compared to the LP versions. Personally, I like the sound of vinyl.
posted 05-15-2000 10:47 AM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	Whatever, I hope that LOGAN'S RUN has better sound than that hideous LP. For a comparison listen to the score on the DVD, infuriatingly not isolated. The sound is so rich and full unlike the LP which sound as if it were recorded with a string and two tin cans.
posted 05-15-2000 11:55 AM PT (US)

sabbey Oscar® Winner	When are there discs being released? Last I heard it was some time in May or June. Any info is extremely appreciated. Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 05-15-2000 03:22 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Well, I'll surely get Coma and Logan's Run. They're on one CD? Then what's the third one? At least, I believe I can remember that there were 3 albums to be released soon, and I think I was especially interested in two of them. And The Last Run/Wild Rovers was not among them, 'cause I don't know it. NP: Tod und Verklärung (Richard Strauss; Berliner Philharmoniker/Karajan)
posted 05-15-2000 04:54 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Was it The Dirty Dozen? It's funny that Chapter III is rereleasing all of these titles, as I recently (not that recently) got an A+ sounding LP conversion of Westworld (which really only has 3 good cues, the rest is odd "theme park source"). I wonder if it'll sound as good as this. Shaun NP----For Love Of The Game (damn this is a great score!)
posted 05-15-2000 09:56 PM PT (US)

Boris Oscar® Winner	Is Chapter 3 releasing a lot of old MGM stuff from LP?
posted 05-16-2000 09:08 PM PT (US)

Bel366 Oscar® Winner	Here is the latest listing from CDNOW, due July 11: COMA / LOGAN'S RUN DARK OF THE SUN / GUNS FOR SAN SEBASTIAN THE DIRTY DOZEN / DIRTY DINGUS MCGEE LAST RUN / WILD ROVERS I guess of these, I would like to get the COMA / LOGAN'S RUN one, just because I never actually owned LOGAN'S RUN on LP or CD. As for WILD ROVERS, I already have it on the Memoir cd (MOIR 601) which also included THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY.
posted 06-12-2000 07:08 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Bel366: I guess of these, I would like to get the COMA / LOGAN'S RUN one, just because I never actually owned LOGAN'S RUN on LP or CD. As for WILD ROVERS, I already have it on the Memoir cd (MOIR 601) which also included THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY. I'll also get that one, because I liked both scores in the respective movies, but have neither on CD (and I don't have score LPs). So, where's the re-release of Great Train Robbery!? Complete if possible - this score deserves it!
posted 06-12-2000 07:44 AM PT (US)

Bel366 Oscar® Winner	Marian: Here's another vote for a complete GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY. Actually, how much more music is in the film versus the previously released soundtrack?
posted 06-12-2000 10:38 AM PT (US)

Marcelo Ferreyra Oscar® Winner	And here even another vote for "The Great Train Robbery" expanded release. Are You listening Varese, Silva, FSM ,Rhino?
posted 06-12-2000 10:56 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Bel366: Here's another vote for a complete GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY. Actually, how much more music is in the film versus the previously released soundtrack? Good question, because I don't have the official release (out of print). But there's plenty of score in the movie, and every single note (except the single note when we first see a glimpse of the gold during the prologue) cries for a release. NP: Cinema Serenade (Williams/Perlman)
posted 06-12-2000 11:06 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	The limit for reuse fees is 20 years, right? If so, then FSM could do it. Still, as they tend to release only scores that haven't been available on CD before, I don't think we can hope for it. What about the rest - Varese, Rhino, Silva, Intrada!?
posted 06-12-2000 11:09 AM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY was recorded in London with the National Philharmonic Orchestra so an expanded release could be possible unless there are some legal restrictions. By the way, pick up this under-rated movie on DVD. The score (with tons of unreleased music) sounds absolutely spectacular. [This message has been edited by Brad Wills (edited 12 June 2000).]
posted 06-12-2000 12:58 PM PT (US)

Ford A. Thaxton Oscar® Winner	FYI, Other then one chase cue, the LP of THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY pretty much contained the entire score to the film, as a matter of fact I seem to recall that one of the cues one the album isn't heard in the film version of the film. It was a fairly lightly score movie. What isn't there seems to be a couple of short cues under :30, and one cue that underscores a intense chase that ends with a young man being killed. Now that would be nice to have, but the current version IMHO is pretty damned complete. Has anyone here sat down and figured out what isn't on the album EXACTLY? Just wondering. Ford A. Thaxton
posted 06-12-2000 04:54 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	The movie is one of my favourites. When I watched it for the first time, it turned me into a Goldsmith fan. I just recently got the DVD. And yes, the score sounds spectacular! Ford, although it's good to hear that the album is nearly complete, all those short cues and the chase music you mentioned are all great, too. NP: Spherical (Chris Huelsbeck) [This message has been edited by Marian Schedenig (edited 12 June 2000).]
posted 06-12-2000 05:18 PM PT (US)

Brad Wills Oscar® Winner	Well, there's the Clean Willy's escape from Newgate prison, clean Willy's climb up the side of London Station, all the solo guitar arrangements of the main theme accompanying the bedroom scenes with Connery and Down, the raid on the brothel, Clean Willy's death (hmmm, do I sense a pattern?), the train's departure from the station, the meeting in the graveyard with train guard, and last but not least those glorious tongue-in-cheek cues to accompany the shots of the key copies as they are placed in a velvet-lined box. I'm pretty sure there is more but I can't think of it right at the moment.
posted 06-12-2000 06:49 PM PT (US)

Darth Fart Oscar® Winner	I don't think there was much variety to the score, I might be wrong. Terrific film, Sutherland is da man.
posted 06-13-2000 12:08 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	What about that wonderful waltz for the horse riding sequence? One of my favourites! Darth: Not too much variety, but lots of wonderful variations!
posted 06-13-2000 07:15 AM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	about the score: I really only like the main theme. Truly infectious in its jollity. but that's about it. the rest always bores me to tears.
posted 06-13-2000 07:53 AM PT (US)

sabbey Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Bel366: Here is the latest listing from CDNOW, due July 11: COMA / LOGAN'S RUN DARK OF THE SUN / GUNS FOR SAN SEBASTIAN THE DIRTY DOZEN / DIRTY DINGUS MCGEE LAST RUN / WILD ROVERS I have advanced ordered the Jerry Goldsmith CDs. And might be interested in the others. Would anyone know any info about the other two CDs listed? Thanks very much. Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 06-15-2000 11:26 AM PT (US)

logied Oscar® Winner	It might be of interest that the chase music is easy to record off the video and except for some background noise (which adds some excitement to the music) is pretty good. Also adding the conversation between the wife and Connery about building materials was fun to add to a CDR of the Score. Of course I,m talking about the Great Train Robbery.
posted 06-15-2000 03:07 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Actually, I've just begun to do that - recording the score from the DVD. In the first half of the movie, there's much dialogue during the scored sequences, but later parts often have only some minor noises. NP: Fargo (Carter Burwell)
posted 06-16-2000 10:00 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Neat, there is a "promo" copy of the Last Run/Wild Rovers disc up for auction on Ebay.
posted 06-21-2000 10:03 AM PT (US)

Bel366 Oscar® Winner	I followed the link to E-Bay and saw the picture of the cd. Someone please tell me that it was just a mock-up for the preview copy! The official Chapter III website is still just listing the original announcement of the series, so no help there.
posted 06-23-2000 02:45 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	It seems Chapter III has set these back another week. I guess they are now due on July 18...
posted 07-10-2000 08:05 PM PT (US)

sabbey Oscar® Winner	I guess it is true, since I received an email from CDNOW saying that as well. However I think it was only the "Last Run/Wild Rovers" disc that was pushed back. Well, that was the only one listed as such. Now I have to wait to get it, X-men, Jaws and Coma/Logan's Run. I guess an extra week isn't too bad. But it better not take much longer than that. Especially after all the other delays. Regards, Sean Robert Abbey
posted 07-10-2000 08:51 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Actually, I just read it as being July 25th for BOTH discs. Frustration......setting in.........why....do....I care.......about.....CDs I already own.......from previous releases.....? Shaun NP---In Harm's Way
posted 07-10-2000 11:16 PM PT (US)

Bel366 Oscar® Winner	All four titles were featured in an ad in the July 10-14 Streetdate from my store's distributor, Valley Media. However, when I placed the order with our rep, I was told that they hadn't gotten them in yet. Does anyone know any details as to the liner notes? Are the booklets just going to have track listings or something more?
posted 07-11-2000 04:32 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Shaun, for people like me that don't own the previous releases, it is pretty frustrating. I've already pre-ordered mine from Barnes and Noble. I guess I'll get them some time, assuming that Chapter III does decide to ship them eventually. (Just a side note, Barnes and Noble gave me an expected ship date of August 12 ) These discs better be perfect! [This message has been edited by jonathan_little (edited 11 July 2000).]
posted 07-11-2000 08:28 AM PT (US)

SPOR Oscar® Winner	Well, if they used the same masters of Logan's Run that Bay Cities did, don't expect Logan's Run to sound "perfect", unless they've managed to pull off a minor miracle. Coma, Wild Rovers and Last Run should sound fine though.
posted 07-11-2000 09:22 AM PT (US)

Andrew Drannon Oscar® Winner	SPOR's right: Unfortunately, Logan's Run's sound quality is nowhere near perfect - still tons of tape hiss and a small mag wow effect in the last track. The rest are fine, though. Last Run may not appeal to all because of its pop sensibilities at times. Sean: I haven't listened to the "Dirty Dozen/Dirty Dingus Magee" disc yet, but Guns of Navarone is an exciting Morriconne score.
posted 07-11-2000 09:46 AM PT (US)

sabbey Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford: Actually, I just read it as being July 25th for BOTH discs. Frustration......setting in.........why....do....I care.......about.....CDs I already own.......from previous releases.....? Shaun Shaun, maybe you are feeling frustration, because these are the actual CDs. And not LP' or home-made CD-R', which didn't you say yours are? Either way, I guess you are right, CDNOW just now sent me yet another notification email, and now it is the 25th. Sheesh, just how long is Chapter III going to take to get these CDs out? Considering how long they have planned this release, you would think they could get off their butts and do it. Regards, Sean Robert Abbey [This message has been edited by sabbey (edited 14 July 2000).]
posted 07-14-2000 11:33 PM PT (US)

logied Oscar® Winner	The only one of these I have on original CD is Coma. The rest will update my CDR,s from Lps. Still think I will hang on to my lps however, love those big covers. Maybe there is a delay because they go to the same maker as FSM. If Wild Rovers and Last Run are rerecordings then the original tapes could still be out there, go get,em Ford or FSM [This message has been edited by logied (edited 15 July 2000).]
posted 07-15-2000 05:59 AM PT (US)

MWRuger Oscar® Winner	Andrew, I believe that Guns of Navarone is a Dimitri Tiomkin. Very good score!
posted 07-15-2000 06:06 AM PT (US)

Andrew Drannon Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by MWRuger: Andrew, I believe that Guns of Navarone is a Dimitri Tiomkin. Very good score! Ah yes, of course. I meant to type Guns of San Sebastian, the score featured on one of the Chapter III albums. Oops...
posted 07-15-2000 06:46 AM PT (US)

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