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      Billy Joel... done with touring... now on to classical composing?!

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    Topic:   Billy Joel... done with touring... now on to classical composing?!

     Jeron
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    Yep... that's the news. Check it out at the link below:
    http://www.sonicnet.com/artists/ai_singlestory.jhtml?id=871539&ai_id=10116

    Interesting, huh?

    J Man

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    posted 05-07-2000 08:48 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Reminds me of McCartney's dabble in the field with "Liverpool Oratorio." Although he needed Carl Davis to do the heavy lifting.

    It's easy to be a snob about pop musicians trying to broaden their styles, but music, at the end of the day, is still always music. Hey, Hans Zimmer comes from a pop background (a big part of what helped him redefine the sound of action scores in the nineties -- it had never occurred to anyone else to approach it that way.) Howard Shore started out as a bandleader. If Tom Scofield were here (WHERE ARE YOU, THOMAS), he could explain about John Williams playing in Les Baxter's old band.

    Some of the great melodies of all time belong to pop songs. I'd be genuinely interested to hear what he comes up with.

    Am I remembering this right, or didn't Scott Joplin once write an opera?

    NP: PRELUDE TO A KISS (wonderful Howard Shore score, two-and-a-quarter fine songs -- the quarter is the brief main title statement of "Prelude to a Kiss.")

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    posted 05-07-2000 10:10 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    I think that Billy Joel is a great "melody maker". He'll do just fine. As for McCartney..........please get back to singing silly love songs. Please! You just weren't cut out for classical music. I'm assuming that Paul actually reads this board and is posting under the name H Rocco.

    Shaun

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    posted 05-07-2000 10:59 PM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    ....And don't forget John Barry also came from a Pop background!

    I haven't heard McCartney's twidlings!....Any good?

    It'll be interesting to see if Joel's music is received well!

    NP : nothing

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    posted 05-08-2000 01:12 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    Scott Joplin wrote an opera called Treemonisha. I have no idea what it's about, but I know it exists. He might have written on other, but I need to look that up to confirm.

    another CD of McCartney's classical music exists, called "Working Classical." It's nade up of a bunch of short pieces: I guess, the Beatles for orchestra. It's not too bad.


    anyone ever heard Frank Zappa's symphonic works?

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    posted 05-08-2000 06:11 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Frank Zappa deserves to be heard. Make sure you all go out and pick up "Hot Rats" right after reading this. It's one of the best albums ever produced. His classical stuff may take a little getting used to, as it's written in all kinds of wacky time signatures with odd instrumentation, but ultimately, it's worth it, too.

    Shaun

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    posted 05-08-2000 08:34 AM PT (US)     

     Luscious Lazlo
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    Billy Joel is a big fat poopyhead. He once wrote a tune called She's Always a Woman. It's about his former wife & former co-manager (Elizabeth). In the tune, Billy brags about how predatory & ruthless & vicious she is. "She'll carelessly cut you and laugh while you're bleeding...but she's always a woman to me."

    Well guess what? Elizabeth turned out to be a piranha in regard to Billy Joel's money. Elizabeth & her brother screwed the pants off Billy Joel. Billy ended up suing them.

    MEMO TO BILLY JOEL: Ha ha. Tough luck, Billy-boy. If you're gonna brag about your sadistic shyster wife, then don't go crying to anyone when she screws you over.

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    posted 05-08-2000 01:56 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Laz,
    What the hell was that all about?

    Shaun

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    posted 05-08-2000 04:51 PM PT (US)     

     Lonely Guy
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    Since we're on the subject of Billy Joel,
    can anyone tell me what is the altitude of Mt. Rushmore? JUST KIDDING!!
    Seriously, Billy Joel once "wrote" a song and I can't remember the name of it, but I ask this because he used that beautiful section from Beethoven's Pathetique.
    Does anyone know the name of the song?

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    posted 05-08-2000 05:01 PM PT (US)     

     Andre Lux
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    And never forget that the great Sonrisal Colesterol was just a mediocre bongo player... before becoming one of the greatest film music composers of all times!

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    posted 05-08-2000 06:26 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Andre, please explain how such a great composer managed to be a "mediocre" bongo player? Well, you know more about him than I do, perhaps it was just his earlier, struggling years.

    NP: MAGIC (bongo-playing ponytail boy) (actually he studied the piano, but you knew who I meant by "ponytail boy")

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    posted 05-08-2000 10:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Rocco, you always manage to make me laugh... After writing a research paper OVER film music, I really needed one. Thanx man!

    Now... it's time to go to bed.

    Jeron

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    posted 05-09-2000 01:37 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Treemonisha is wonderful stuff ("Hello. Hello. We've come to husk the corn.") and a performance with the Houston Opera Company should still be out on CD. Just the same I wouldn't call it opera in the sense of European opera.

    Billy Joel is getting older and wants to try another gig, fine. Somehow I think I might prefer this to more songs about how he's the wise man looking in on how screwed up people are.

    Other rockers have gone classical with mixed results--Zappa was mentioned. Joe Jackson wrote pieces including a symphony and a couple film scores. Trevor Rabin, Zimmer, Yared, Revell, and Sakamoto all come from pop backgrounds and now they're scoring films.

    As for Joel, we'll just have to see.....

    NP: real music by Hugo Friedhofer (Best Yrs of Our Lives)

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    posted 05-17-2000 12:17 AM PT (US)     

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    ...and don't forget Elfman, Cooder, Copeland, Grusin, Barry, Newman, Knopfler etc. Some more sucessful than others.

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    posted 05-19-2000 08:54 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    Andre, please explain how such a great composer managed to be a "mediocre" bongo player? Well, you know more about him than I do, perhaps it was just his earlier, struggling years.

    Rocco, the truth is: no one knows!
    Aparently Colesterol hated the Bongo (Colesterol's experts affirm that's why you'll never find a Bongo on any of his works) and was forced to play it on the Tião Carreiro e Pardinho Big Band by Roberval Taylor himself back in the 30's.

    Anyway, I think Colesterol's case is just like many others like:
    - Elfman: mediocre guitar player/singer turned film music composer
    - Zimmer: mediocre synthesizer programmer etc...

    The only difference is that Colesterol turned into to a great composer, while the others... well, we all know...

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    posted 05-19-2000 02:38 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    You mean YOU know, brother ...

    I think it's not impossible for someone from a pop background to be an excellent dramatist. Ry Cooder, mentioned by Thor above, is probably my favorite example. PARIS, TEXAS is, to me, one of the great scores of the 1980s. Or perhaps I should say "great albums" -- I've never seen the movies. To paraphrase a Japanese friend of mine, word for word, "I don't like movies of Vim Venders" (that's what it sounds like in Japanese alphabet), "but that is good music." He also adored Goldsmith's original STAR TREK -- I sent him a copy of the first version of the soundtrack years ago, he couldn't find it in Japan, bizarrely enough. I wonder if he has the expanded version by now. I also gave him my double CD of Cooder's collected film works -- a hodgepodge of his earlier albums for the most part, no reason to have it except for a handful of cues, which I will get through other means.

    NP: THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS (bongo boy)

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    posted 05-19-2000 08:29 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    You mean YOU know, brother ...

    Yeah.... me and the supporters of the Flamengo soccer team!

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