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Topic: DVD Special Editions...why no Iso score?

AaronR1074

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OK, I'm gonna vent for a bit. WHY oh WHY does the majority of DVD Special Editions NOT have an Isolated score? The only ones that I have that has a score are:Amadeus
Beetlejuice
Blade
Tomorrow Never Dies
The Matrix
The Dark Crystal
Yellow Submarine
Alien
A Bugs Life
The Messanger
Little WomenNow here are the "Special Editions" that have ****ed me off lately...
Armageddon "Criterion" - 2 commentaries and NO SCORE! GRRRRRRRRR
The Abyss "Special Edition" - Not even a commentary. Just a "Text" one...which is pretty lame. No score either. Why bother?
Ghostbusters - Funny as hell commentary but no score. Ivan Ritman even mentioned (in the commentary) how cool some of the music sounds, and how no one ever mentions it. There is just too damn little of it on the CD.
Aliens - C'mon Mr Cameron. You know better than that. It's HORNER!!
Prince of Egypt - Very interesting commentary. But wouldn't it be nice to have MUSICAL with an Isolated score?! Plus IT's ZIMMER!!
And the #1 DVD that ****es me off...
CONTACT!! Not just because it has a whopping 3 different commentary tracks that all say the same thing, but the Region 2 version of it HAS THE SCORE!!!! AAAARGH! WHY?! WHY?!My problem with the subject is this:
If they go through all the trouble to put out a special version of a movie, pay tribute to all the cool special effects, the writers, the concept paintings, the commentaries that are eithr boring as hell or have nothing to do with the movie whatsoever, have a couple of useless extra scenes that were obviously deleted for a reason, 6 different types of subtitles with 4 extra seperate audio langages, a collection of theatrical trailors, and about an hour of behind the scenes footage that feature nothing but a bunch of actors and movie people plugging the film and kissing each other's ass....well I can go on and on.
They simply seem to go out of their way to produce a goodies packed DVD and leave out the #1 most important element in a movie. THE MUSIC.
So I'm gonna say it like everybody else thinks it. Release the damn score or don't release a special edition. There, I said it.
posted 05-07-2000 06:19 PM PT (US) 
Chase&August
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Well, THE MUMMY and (I believe) APOLLO 13 have ISO scores, though under the "Language" menus.August
posted 05-07-2000 06:32 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Right...... you also forgot to mention:The Dark Crystal
Pee-Wee....and those are more recent.
Jeron
posted 05-07-2000 08:19 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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I DID mention The Dark Crystal. And I only mentioned those I own. I hate Pee-Wee
posted 05-07-2000 08:26 PM PT (US) 
Hard Target
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Well you forgot to mention:Bad Boys (coming on June 27)
Quest for Camelot
City of Angels
You've Got Mail
The Corruptor
Stuart Little
Random Hearts
Bats
Jakob the Liar
The Thing (under the commentary menu)
The Matrix
Beetlejuice
Mars Attacks!!
Alien (both the rejected and used score with the temp track cues)
Dante's Peak (same music as the Varese cd)
Pleasantville
A Bug's Lifeposted 05-07-2000 09:05 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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If I'm not mistaken, the "1941" DVD release doesn't have the isolated score like the laserdisc does, right?This is one thing I'm finding just slightly annoying about DVD, now that I got a player for my TV last week (after having a DVD-ROM only) and decided to start converting from laser discs to DVD for the bulk of my collection. Quite often, a lot of titles lack all the features their laser disc counterpart had thus necessitating me to hold on to the laser disc versions. "1941" lacks the isolated score; "Thunderball" lacks the "Incredible World of 007" documentary. "Midway" and "Earthquake" are missing their trailers. Also, I really prefer the way on laser disc how you could seamlessly switch from one audio track to another while the film was still playing instead of going back to a menu.
DVD is clearly here to stay, but they still haven't perfected the process yet in terms of what they can do with certain titles. Not just in terms of the lack of isolated scores.
posted 05-07-2000 09:25 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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I will add though, that I like extra commentary tracks so I wouldn't complain about DVD titles that have two commentary tracks and no isolated score.
posted 05-07-2000 09:28 PM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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Eric, 1941 does indeed contain the isolated score. I believe it runs continuously under a menu, like APOLLO 13 or THE MUMMY. And it should be possible to change audio tracks in mid-run. I don't know your remote, but on mine I have an audio button that allows me to switch at any given time. My roommate has a different brand than I do, and his remote has the same feature.
posted 05-07-2000 09:38 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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Okay, thanks for straightening me out on that one. I actually haven't bought the 1941 DVD yet, but when I didn't see the isolated score mentioned on the supplements on any of the reference guides, I decided not to buy it.
posted 05-07-2000 09:46 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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Actually it's not a question of being able to change audio tracks in mid-run, it's the fact that the film will basically stop where you were and you have to go through the menu, whereas on laser you could switch it while the film was playing and that was that. Strictly a matter of quicker convenience from my standpoint.
posted 05-07-2000 09:47 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Actually, 1941 IS ISOLATED WITH THE FILM! You just can't switch the audio on the fly, you have to go to the Languages menu and select Isolated Music Score.Very nice surprise.
Shaun
posted 05-07-2000 11:05 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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I appreciate your comments on my errors. But please read the entire post carefully before you comment. I specificially stated, and I quote "THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT I HAVE THAT HAS A SCORE" being ment as example out of the 50+ DVD that I own. If I wasn't specific enough I appologize. But don't pick apart a post unless you have all the answers. Sorry if I seem rude. Its just one of my pet peeves about message boards.[This message has been edited by AaronR1074 (edited 08 May 2000).]
posted 05-08-2000 06:45 AM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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Eric, I think that if you play around with your remote for a little while you can figure out how to change audio tracks WITHOUT the movie stopping or going back to the menu. Hit "Audio" on the remote during playback of a disc. When the audio bar appears at the top of the screen there should be directional arrows that will enable to automatically switch between tracks by pressing the correct button on the remote. On mine, I just toggle the "select" switch. Any DVD player I've ever seen allows you to do this.
posted 05-08-2000 07:36 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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No iso score on Hook, none on the upcoming Jaws... Spielberg should know better.NP: Donnie Brasco (Doyle)
posted 05-08-2000 10:32 AM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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I think my new DVD player, which is very inexpensive doesn't give me that feature Brad. I hit the audio key and it takes me back to the menu. Got to go that way I suppose as a small price to pay for getting a $200 player.
posted 05-08-2000 12:22 PM PT (US) 
Chase&August
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quote:
Originally posted by AaronR1074:
I hate Pee-Wee
You mean to tell me you've never laughed at Pee-Wee when he burns outs from the biker bar on the Harley and crashes right into the billboard!?
August
posted 05-08-2000 05:56 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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Not all DVD's have on-screen access to the language menus. Infact, the majority of them still don't. Many old and recent Paramount, Fox, and Tri-Star DVD's block access to the languages and seperate audio tracks. You are FORCED to go into the main menu. Yet another thing that has yet to be standardized on DVD. Also, many of the Universal releases make it so you have to completely stop the disc and reboot the player just to shut off the commentaries, because not only do they block the on-screen audio access, but make it so you can't turn it off in the menu as well. Grrrrr.Using the on-screen method works sometimes. But most of the time you don't have access to it. And I'm using an older Panasonic (Last year's base model I think)
posted 05-08-2000 07:01 PM PT (US) 
Chase&August
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Also, some DVDs begin playing WITH the subtitles. I have one that does this (THE POSTMAN), but luckily the audio features work during the movie, so I can just switch it off. I've seen a couple more that doe this, but can't recall which ones.August
posted 05-08-2000 07:49 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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August,
Are you using a DVD drive in your computer or a seperate player for you home theatre? I recall Ronin's subtitles screwing around with my Dad's Gateway but it works fine with my Panasonic player. Mabye its simply a problem with dual layering?
posted 05-08-2000 09:03 PM PT (US) 
Chase&August
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I have a stand-alone Sony DVD played hooked up to my downstairs television.August
posted 05-08-2000 09:39 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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I have a DVD-ROM on my computer, and the Ronin was just fine.I have a DVD, I think The Sixth Sense, that plays a whole bunch of movie ads before you even get to access the movie. It's annoying having that stuff forced at me, with no option to turn it off.
The same occurs with The Mummy, you get a bunch of movie clips thrown at you, in what is a Universal ad, when you click "play." annoying.
Tell me: What's the difference between VCD and DVD? Every now & then I'll see a post with someone advertising their Phantom Menace VCD, or other movies.and what is PAL?
NP -- The Hudsucker Proxy, another lovely Burwell theme.
posted 05-08-2000 10:01 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by Chase&August:
Also, some DVDs begin playing WITH the subtitles.There even are DVDs where you CAN'T SWITCH them off! At least some German releases reportedly force you to see the German subtitles if you select the English original soundtrack. Haven't seen one of those myself, though.
JJH:
- VCDs are simple CD-ROMs which contain movie files. They have a special format which allows you to play them on some devices (like that Philips thingy that came out several years ago). Bad quality, though - a whole movie on one or two CDs. I think with 2 full CDs, it can about reach the quality of a VHS tape.
- PAL: The European TV norm. From what I know, it's essentially a color encoding format. Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation reportedly had a face color that looked different every episode in the first seasons, because of some NTSC problem (NTSC is the American TV format). PAL versions didn't have this problem.
Also, PAL has a higher vertical resolution, while NTSC has a higher frame rate (NTSC: 60 half frames per second; PAL: 50). Movies with 24 frames per second can be transferred to NTSC relatively well. PAL makes some problems, the movies run a bit faster. This effect is called "PAL speedup". A 2 hour movie is a couple of minutes "faster" in European television.
NP: Looking for Richard (Howard Shore)
posted 05-09-2000 07:47 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
- VCDs are simple CD-ROMs which contain movie files. They have a special format which allows you to play them on some devices (like that Philips thingy that came out several years ago). Bad quality, though - a whole movie on one or two CDs. I think with 2 full CDs, it can about reach the quality of a VHS tape.
