Is there a certain non-score piece by a fulltime film composer you would recommend? Which and why? Is there a certain film composer you would WANT or WISH to see compose a concert piece, but who hasn't yet?

There are plenty to choose from - I'll chime in later with my own rec's...

Exodus for orchestra and mixed choir 22'47

Mount Koscielec 1909 for orchestra 17'30

The Prelude and Christmas Carol for Four Oboe and string orchestra 14'39

Angelus for soprano,mixed choir and orchestra 22'17

I'm sure I've mentioned this album before over at the FSM site?!, The first piece was used in some trailors for Schindlers List,From what I remember of your taste in music Thor, I would say there's a lot here to recommend it!
The best recommendation I can give is that I've played this So many times since I bought it!
I'll give You some more idea's later, I want to wait and see what the rest of the Gang come up with?!

I'd like to see a major Jerry Goldsmith concert piece. I liked his Toccata for Guitar, Music for Orchestra, The Thunder of Imperial Names, but none of these is very long. I haven't heard the Fireworks music--maybe this would satisfy. Seeing his pops concert in Toledo, I had a feeling that the audience would have gone for something lengthier and more elaborate than the series of themes he played--a suite of some of his more modern and aggressive cues for instance would have worked fine I think (Music for Orchestra feels to me like an extended action cue by JG as it is).

A number of film composers have concert works that have never been recorded that have always sounded intriguing--Elmer Bernstein's early concert works for instance.

Rozsa, Korngold, and Herrmann have high quality concert works. Rozsa, especially with Theme, Variations, and Finale, the Violin Concerto, Kaliedoscope, the Symphony, and the Notturno Ungherese.There are a number of concert composers (Walton, Walter Leigh, John Adams, etc.) who dabbled in film music that have wonderful concert works that sometimes even resemble film music in a way. Timmer has championed Vaughan-Williams' 7th Symphony based on a film score. There are many other examples.

This next piece isn't very long either, but I'd like to submit "The Artist Who Did Not Want To Paint," the underscore for the documentary short that opened AGONY & THE ECSTASY, as a concert work of sorts. It doesn't have the "bitty" feeling that even the best film scores can have, and features a clearly developed fistful of ideas from start to finish (the transition from "Stone Giants" to "The Agony of Creation" is especially aching.)

His best concert work by far is something entitled MGV. It is a continuous 5-movement work that displays what minimalism is capable of. Those that are fans of Jon Adams' Harmonielehre will get a kick out of it. It ends as one of the most exuberant, joyous pieces of music I've heard, something I never thought I would say about a minimalist.

His work on Carrington is based on one of his string quartets. I don't have the quartet, but the 9-minute track in Carrington that presents the theme is a very moving piece.

Has anyone heard Bernstein's TOCCATA FOR TOY TRAIN?

Williams has a lot of concerto's, fanfares and themes on his CV. Few of them are available, though. Cole mentioned FIVE SACRED TREES and the VIOLIN/FLUTE CONCERTO. There's also the stunning "Prelude and Fugue", available from Capitol Records on STAN KENTON CONDUCTS THE LA NEOPHONIC ORCHESTRA. It's sort of "big band jazz meets contemporary classical music". I certainly think Williams' "Herrmann-commissioned" SYMPHONY NO.1 deserves a release.

There's also Kamen's CONCERTO FOR ORCHESTRA AND SAXOPHONE, which I've heard a lot ABOUT, but haven't actually heard myself.

Nino Rota has a lot of stuff out there, as has Herrmann of course (although his WUTHERING HEIGHTS opera never materialized). Speaking of Rota and Herrmann, I would love to see Elfman do a concert work (he did a small piano concerto in his early days, inspired in parts - if I remember correctly - by Duke Ellington, but it has never been released, of course).

Also, I would adore a McNeely concerto/symphony. SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE is probably the closest we'll get for now, though.

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seems to me that a composer's a composer, whether writes exclusively for the concert hall or film. just like a composer can pen an opera, he can also pen a string quartet, a brass quintet, or ballet, or piano sonatas, just the same as he can film scores.

We know of Corigliano's, Shostakovich's, Prokofiev's or Honegger's magnitude in the classical world. These have also had a successful transition into film scores, but that's another thread altogether...

Wuthering Heights by Herrmann saw the light of day. It's available on CD (and before that on LP). It was even performed some years back in Seattle.

I've heard some Waxman concert pieces like Goyana and the Symphonetta for Strings and Timpani--not bad but Waxman likes to be much more modern sounding in the concert works than he is in the film scores (Williams too). This failing really hits home in the Morricone chamber works Timmer warned you about--they're practically noise.

I think I'll go buy them tomorrow (no time to day)

If You think You might like it Thor,Just say the word and I'll send it to You!

No charge!

Conveniently, I cannot remember the title.

To read more about it, go to Ricard's JW site:

Saw the FSM article. Got to me wondering what Honegger's film music is like. I had no idea idea, such a great classical composer had gotten into films, though Shostakovich and Prokofiev (among others) also wrote a few.

Where can I get that Schifrin Guitar Concerto?

Michael Kamen recently composed a symphony in celebration of the new millenium entitled "The New Moon in the Old Moon's Arms" that was comissioned by Leonard Slatkin for the National Symphony Orchestra. It premiered in January. Any word on a CD release?

I also know Don Davis has done a lot of concert work, but again, none of it is available on CD.

http://www.auburn.edu/~koonrob/sinf_we.html

Learn more here:
http://www.arabesquerecords.com/album/z6741.html

all I got when I played it was a bunch of gobbledygook. The track is also supposed to be 7 minutes long, and the MusicMatch mp3 player display says it's only 3.

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Originally posted by Thor:
That cello concerto is really impressive, and I can't wait to have it released properly on Deutsche Gramophon in a not-too-distant future.

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Really? Great! I don't know much of Williams' concert works, simply because it's nearly impossible to find them on CD.

And what's that Celebration Fanfare you mentioned - Celebrate Discovery, or yet a different work?

I just got his 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and it is quite masterful. And I'm soon to receive The Second Jungle Book

anyway, I was just curious.