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mlw Oscar® Winner	More idle typing at the computer: PATTON *** Tora Tora Tora Rio Lobo 1/2 Ballad of Cable Hogue ** The Mephisto Waltz 1/2 Wild Rovers 1/2 Escape from the Planet of the Apes * The Other ** The Last Run The Don is Dead * Shamus Papillon ** Winter Kill 1/2 Barnaby Jones theme 1/2 Waltons Theme * Police Story *1/2 SPYS * QBVII ** Chinatown 1/2 (oops I'm getting all unorthodox again!) The Red Pony ** Breakout 1/2 The Terrorists Take A Hard Ride + The Reincarnation of Peter Proud * THE WIND AND THE LION *** Breakheart Pass * Logan's Run **+ The Omen + Twilight's Last Gleaming The Cassandra Crossing *1/2 High Velocity * MacArthur *1/2 Damnation Alley * Islands in the Stream ** Contract on Cherry Street 1/2 Coma 1/2 Magic Damien Omen II 1/2 The Swarm *+ Capricorn One + The Boys From Brazil + The Great Train Robbery Alien Players STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE ***** If it's not there it's because I have no way of hearing it.
posted 04-26-2000 01:42 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY *****+
posted 04-26-2000 01:47 PM PT (US)

DANIEL2 unregistered	Here I reiterate what I posted at mlw’s other thread http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/002353.html Firstly, this is my PERSONAL rating of Goldsmith’s scores, based on mlw’s rating system. 1979 Two classic and very influential sci-fi scores, completely different from one another. STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE *** Players Alien **1/2 1978 A vintage period, characterized by a manic energy in Goldsmith’s writing. THE FIRST GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY * Damien: Omen II * Capricorn One 1/2 Coma 1/2 The Swarm 1/2 THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL ** Magic 1977 MacArthur Islands in the Stream *1/2 Damnation Alley 1/2 Twilights Last Gleaming 1/2 1976 The Omen 1/2 The Cassandra Crossing * Logan’s Run 1/2 1975 BREAKHEART PASS was a fun mystery movie, with a knockout ‘western’ score. Breakheart Pass ** The Reincarnation of Peter Proud 1/2 The Wind and the Lion * Ransom 1/2 Breakout * 1974 A late entry in noir scoring, and up there with the best. Chinatown 1973 Papillon *1/2 Shamus 1/2 Indict and Convict 1/2 1972 Pursuit * The Other 1/2 1971 Wild Rovers Escape From the Planet of the Apes * The Mephisto Waltz ** The Last Run The Brotherhood of the Bell 1/2 1970 The Ballad of Cable Hogue 1/2 Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! 1/2 Rio Lobo *1/2 And now I rate the movies as a whole, based on mlw’s rating system. 1979 ALIEN is a truly classic movie. Star Trek: The Motion Picture 1/2 Players 1/2 ALIEN ** 1978 The First Great Train Robbery * Damien: Omen II Capricorn One 1/2 Coma *** The Swarm 1/2 THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL 1/2 Magic * 1977 MacArthur Islands in the Stream Damnation Alley * Twilights Last Gleaming ** 1976 The Omen 1/2 The Cassandra Crossing * Logan’s Run 1975 Breakheart Pass 1/2 The Reincarnation of Peter Proud 1/2 The Wind and the Lion * Ransom Breakout 1974 Out of the blue came this near classic, recapturing the essence of the 40’s noir. Chinatown **1/2 1973 Papillon 1/2 Shamus *** Indict and Convict * 1972 Pursuit *** The Other 1/2 1971 THE LAST RUN benefited from a superb performance from Scott, excellent locations, a fine Goldsmith score, and an interesting ‘human’ story. Wild Rovers 1/2 Escape From the Planet of the Apes The Mephisto Waltz * The Last Run ** The Brotherhood of the Bell 1970 PATTON is one of the best screen biographies. The Ballad of Cable Hogue 1/2 Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! Rio Lobo *1/2 There are 70’s Goldsmith movies I haven’t seen, and I also omit, generally, his television work, though a few tv movies have sneaked in. The 70’s was certainly a fascinating period of Goldsmith creativity. It was during this period that Goldsmith cemented his place as a film scoring legend, in my opinion.
posted 04-26-2000 03:03 PM PT (US)

Thor Oscar® Winner	Lists.... Lovely.
posted 04-27-2000 09:30 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Wow... Daniel, I love the contributions you make and the insight with which you make them... and maybe I'm not one to say anything, but - do you have a job? You do some serious typing, and I'm not sure how I could incorporate that kind of leisure into my daily life! =D LOL... great info, though. I'm with Thor... gotta love the lists! Jeron
posted 04-27-2000 09:35 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	Stars. So many stars.
posted 04-27-2000 10:06 AM PT (US)

Thor Oscar® Winner	Uhm, Jeron...I was being sarcastic. But never mind... [This message has been edited by Thor (edited 27 April 2000).]
posted 04-27-2000 10:52 AM PT (US)

Thor Oscar® Winner	Marian: I believe the correct quote is: "My God! It's full of stars!" Or?
posted 04-27-2000 10:53 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	hehe, yes Thor... I figured you were being sarcastic. But hey, I responded to that while IN THE LIBRARY during my English class... with that kind of atmosphere setting the mood, I can't be anything BUT literal. You understand. =) Jeron
posted 04-27-2000 11:16 AM PT (US)

mlw Oscar® Winner	things I played this week-- Tricky/Angels with Dirty Faces Agent Orange/Bloodstains Ride/Tarantula Goldsmith/The Challenge (what's that in the booklet, a lecture?) Bartok/Concerto for Orchestra (Salonen, LAPO) Herrmann/Mysterious World of Bernard Herrmann (Gold UltraDisc) Michael J.Lewis/The Naked Face think I'll go for sushi...
posted 04-27-2000 11:48 AM PT (US)

Kris Koon Oscar® Winner	Sorry, this is going to be way off-topic, but re: that 2001 quote, could someone tell me where it occurs in the movie? I don't remember seeing it in the movie when I watched it on AMC. NP: The Phantom Menace (an ostinato in The Sith Spacecrat and Droid Invasion kind of remains me of an ostinato in The Bees Arrive from Goldsmith's The Swarm, but I think it's just coincidental. [This message has been edited by Kris Koon (edited 27 April 2000).]
posted 04-27-2000 12:53 PM PT (US)

DANIEL2 unregistered	Leans.... Great.
posted 04-27-2000 02:49 PM PT (US)

Dr.Evil Oscar® Winner	Whoa! Impressive! We have some deaf people here! You are welcome too. Needing some closed caption? God...
posted 04-27-2000 03:20 PM PT (US)

Kris Koon Oscar® Winner	What? Are you talking to me, Dr. Evil, or the others? If me, I didn't say it was a direct rip-off. Both the pieces are in 6/8 time. The Swarm ostinato has an eighth not followed by 4 sixteenth notes, while the Phantom Menace ostinato has an eighth note followed by 2 sixteenth notes and another eigth note. Then, both end with 3 eighth notes. The intervals are not the same, however. I made a .wav file conparing the 2 (under 5 sec. so I don't think there'll be any legal problems): http://www.auburn.edu/~koonrob/swarm-pm.wav
posted 04-27-2000 05:42 PM PT (US)

Dr.Evil Oscar® Winner	No, Kris, sorry if I offend you.
posted 04-27-2000 07:44 PM PT (US)

Thor Oscar® Winner	Kris: The quote is taken from 2010, not 2001. It's the phrase (spoken by Dave, the astronaut from 2001 that disappeared and that will become significat in the sequel) that opens the movie when there is still nothing but a black screen.
posted 04-28-2000 09:01 AM PT (US)

Graham Watt Oscar® Winner	mlw, what do you mean by "Super Fly Goldsmith"? Goldsmith things that sound like the Curtis Mayfield score? Goldsmith certainly did rock in the 70s, one of my favourites being the main title to Escape From The Planet Of The Apes. Are those steel drums I hear in there? NP- Julius Caesar. Is there a way to avoid the annoying clicking that goes on every time I touch the mouse? My hi-fi is in another room . Did you understand that?
posted 04-28-2000 01:26 PM PT (US)

mlw Oscar® Winner	In the mid 90s people used to refer to cool things as "fly", just like in the 70s when the term was added to things like the movie "Superfly". It has a myriad of other connotations that are beside the point. I just typed it for no reason. Goldsmith to my knowledge never seriously ventured into Mayfield's Superfly style per se (as Schifrin did), though he did do a lick straight out of Isaac Hayes' (You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number Ooone!) Shaft, probably inadvertently in the first few minutes of Rambo First Blood Part II (Preparations, and the parachute drop cue-- those cool, or excuse me, FLY shuffly strings) [This message has been edited by mlw (edited 28 April 2000).]
posted 04-28-2000 04:51 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Michael, didja download the theme from HAWKINS at DECONSTRUCTING GOLDSMITH? Not quite Curtis Mayfield, but as funky as Jerry ever got (less the repulsive main title from SPY*S -- what the hell was he thinking? Well, it was a replacement, another of those ten-day wonders, I'm sure.)
posted 04-28-2000 08:49 PM PT (US)

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