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John Zimmer Standard Userer	Star Trek: The Motion Picture Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country Star Trek: Nemesis Star Trek: First Contact Star Trek: The Final Frontier Star Trek: Insurection Star Trek: The Search For Spock Star Trek: Generations Star Trek: The Voyage Home Jz -Who loves the sound of Star Trek in the morning....sounds like Star Trek.
posted 12-02-2003 12:47 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	I'd say: 1 - The Undiscovered Country 2 - The Motion Picture 3 - Insurrection 4 - Wrath of Khan 5 - First Contact 6 - Final Frontier 7 - Nemesis 8 - Generations 9 - Voyage Home 10 - Search for Spock I think Nemesis has some very nice moments, but as a whole, it doesn't quite stand up to the others (on disc). The Nemesis score as heard in the film was better though. First Contact too.
posted 12-02-2003 02:58 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	1—The Undiscovered Country ("The Battle for Peace") 2—The Motion Picture ("Main Title / Klingon Battle") 3—The Wrath of Khan ("Surprise Attack") 4—The Final Frontier ("The Mountain") 5—First Contact ("The Flight of the Pheonix") 6—The Search For Spock ("A Fighting Chance to Live") 7—Nemesis ("Into the Rift") 8—Insurrection ("The Drones Attack") 9—The Voyage Home ("Home Again and End Credits") 10—Generations ("Destruction of the Amargosa Station") [Message edited by sean on 12-03-2003]
posted 12-03-2003 09:49 AM PT (US)

Godfather Non-Standard Userer	I lost interest after ST6,as the scores from then on did little for me. So my list is as follows. Motion Picture Wrath of Khan Final Frontier Undiscovered Country Search for Spock [Message edited by Godfather on 12-03-2003]
posted 12-03-2003 12:09 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: 3 - Insurrection 5 - First Contact Insurrection is quite underrated, probably because of its poor representation on the album. But comparing the complete boots, I also consider Insurrection (slightly) superior to First Contact.
posted 12-03-2003 12:24 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	There's the Goldsmith scores and the non-Goldsmith scores. The Goldsmith: (I love them all, but if I had to rank them) 1. The Motion Picture 2. Nemesis 3. The Final Frontier / Insurrection 5. First Contact The non-Goldsmith: 1. The Search for Spock - a bit warmer than Khan. 2. The Undiscovered Country - would be the best if the track Battle for Rura Penthe was less anti-climactic. 3. The Wrath of Khan 4. The Voyage Home - underrated score. 50. Generations - you definitely make the jump from film score to TV dinner music here.
posted 12-03-2003 01:18 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	James Horner actually likes his score for The Search For Spock more than The Wrath of Khan. I can kinda understand that with cues like "Stealing The Enterprise", "Genesis Sunset", and "A Fighting Chance to Live" ... there's more room to move around, too, emotionally, than there was in Khan. Goldsmith: 1—The Motion Picture 2—The Final Frontier 3—Nemesis 4—First Contact 5—Insurrection (I have the complete discs for Nemesis, Insurrection, and First Contact; so, I do know the feel for all of them) Others: 1—The Undiscovered Country 2—The Search For Spock 3—The Wrath of Khan 4—The Voyage Home 5—Generations NP: Outkast
posted 12-03-2003 03:47 PM PT (US)

Godfather Non-Standard Userer	Well,the subject matter was entirely different in ST2 & ST3. So it's natural that the 3rd score is warmer. Wrath of Khan score was literally about it's namesake. It was mostly about sheer fury,revenge, and out smarting each other. It shows in the music. Although the part in Genesis Countdown where Kirk is running through the corridors after his call to come to the engine room and see Spock, is one that used to bring tears to my eyes. Heart wrenching strings. Very emotional and very effective indeed. Genesis Countdown is still one of my favourite tracks ever on a soundtrack for that sheer variety of excitement and emotion wrapped in one. ST3 had that "spiritual" side to it mostly. Subtle and less obvious. So again it reflects the subject. The Katra Ritual etc. Stealing the Enterprise is used to love when i was a teenager until i was listening to a piece from Prokofiev or Khachaturian last year and had to do a "triple take" of rewinding back again and again as i knew i'd heard this particular section of music before somewhere. I'm referrring to the incredibly racy beginining to the track. I was horrified to discover it has literally been lifted "straight" of a piece that Prokofiev or Khachaturian did. I cant remember which piece it was exactly as it was on a unlabellled casette. But after that i much less respect for Horner's score, as copying something to obviously was just going too far. He literally stole the entire way it was played for that piece. Worked well of course. But Horner is well known for stealing whole sections from Khachaturian and claiming they are his compositions. I still prefer Wrath of Khan to the 3rd. I just hope that some day we have a re-recording. The score desperately needs it, as sometimes it's like listening to a CD with a tin bucket on your head. Really needs re-recorded.
posted 12-04-2003 09:58 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	For "Stealing The Enterprise", the piece you're talking about at the beginning of the track actually doesn't appear in the film. If you listen to it again you can hear another motif in the background—that's the one that ended up in the film, and not the large whirling part you mentioned. My favourite section of that track is near the end, though, starting when the Excellsior captain heads to the bridge and then there's a cut (with the cosmic beam used) to Enterprise reversing to the space doors; after that when Enterprise clears the doors is awesome. (When I was like 9 years old I used to rewind that shot of Enterprise clearing the space doors over and over just to hear the score on the video of it when I rented it—that score got me into film music)
posted 12-04-2003 01:57 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Standard Userer	sean, can you imagine that scene? What it must have been like to see it in the theater? I never did. It must have been just so cool to see on the large screen as Horner's wonderful, sweeping and good paced action music soared and Kirk and crew were stealing the Enterprise. The action music starts building up with sinister mortifs inbetween and the Enterprise lunges into warp and the captain of the Excelsior orders the ship to transwarp drive and they do this big dramatic sequence where sounds and lights go off and everyone turns around and like buckles themselves in sort of and Horner's must hits a climatic pulsing action bit and ... nothing. That must have been so cool to see for the first time.
posted 12-04-2003 02:15 PM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	Well Star Trek is one of those child hood things that's become a guilty pleasure to watch, and a wonderful experience to listen. Horner's scores caught my ear before Goldsmith's did (Lord knows I'd heard his theme enough on TNG ), but after all these years I'd have to break them down like this: Best Goldsmith: Motion Picture Honorable mention: Nemesis (the unreleased cues make this an amazing score) Best non-Goldsmith: Star Trek II Star Trek III Star Trek VI I find VI to be the most haunting and original Trek score, but the raw energy of Horner's scores are just unparalleled. 'Stealing the Enterprise' is probably my favorite non Goldsmith cue for Trek. NP-Star Trek First Contact
posted 12-04-2003 03:26 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Hey Justin, that would have been awesome seeing that scene in the theatre! I was 2 years old when The Search For Spock came out, and actually, the first film I remember seeing at the cinema is The Voyage Home—that was a blast! I'm still kicking myself for not letting my mum take me to The Undiscovered Country in 1991 (I guess Star Trek wasn't cool or something at that time and I refused to go!). But, you know, as much as people say The Search For Spock sucks, I think they're totally wrong. It's an excellent film, and the scene where Enterprise clear the space doors and warps out (with Horner's great music!) is definately immortal in my cinematic memory. I'm glad someone else appreciates it.
posted 12-04-2003 05:33 PM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: Hey Justin, that would have been awesome seeing that scene in the theatre! I was 2 years old when The Search For Spock came out, and actually, the first film I remember seeing at the cinema is The Voyage Home—that was a blast! I'm still kicking myself for not letting my mum take me to The Undiscovered Country in 1991 (I guess Star Trek wasn't cool or something at that time and I refused to go!). But, you know, as much as people say The Search For Spock sucks, I think they're totally wrong. It's an excellent film, and the scene where Enterprise clear the space doors and warps out (with Horner's great music!) is definately immortal in my cinematic memory. I'm glad someone else appreciates it. I also had to catch the Enterprise escaping on VHS as well Horner's music really let it break out of the small medium though! One of my first cinema experiences was Star Trek VI and I remember liking it instantly because of the battle with Chang at the end (I rated them accoridng to the best ship battle lol)...the part with Rura Penthe freaked me out though. Star Trek II didn't get much viewing from me for awhile because of the scene with the Ceti eels. Still gives me chills today. Its a shame Star Trek has lost so much of that cinematic quality seen in the original series of films.
posted 12-04-2003 06:17 PM PT (US)

El Cid Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Godfather: I still prefer Wrath of Khan to the 3rd. I just hope that some day we have a re-recording. The score desperately needs it, as sometimes it's like listening to a CD with a tin bucket on your head. Really needs re-recorded. Oh yeah. I love the ST2 score but I hate the CD - it's very shrill-sounding. I wonder if the problem is the original recording or in how the CD was mastered. (Has anyone heard the score on tape or vinyl?)
posted 12-04-2003 06:59 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Godfather: Stealing the Enterprise is used to love when i was a teenager until i was listening to a piece from Prokofiev or Khachaturian last year and had to do a "triple take" of rewinding back again and again as i knew i'd heard this particular section of music before somewhere. I'm referrring to the incredibly racy beginining to the track. I was horrified to discover it has literally been lifted "straight" of a piece that Prokofiev or Khachaturian did. I cant remember which piece it was exactly as it was on a unlabellled casette. "The Death of Tybalt" from Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet.
posted 12-04-2003 07:17 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Alex, that's cool. When I first saw Star Trek VI on video I remember being totally blown away by Eidelman's music in the opening credits; lol, I'd rewind that, too, over and over ... until years later when I found the score—it was my first CD; everything else I had was on tape. Nicholas Meyer really found a way to make space battles more interesting with the cloaked Bird of Prey in The Undiscovered Country and the Mutara Nebula with Reliant and Enterprise, not to mention the "Surprise Attack", in The Wrath of Khan. Hey El Cid, I've seen Star Trek II on vinyl ... I'll go pick it up now that you mention it to see if it's any better than the CD's quality. I think it might be because the score is VERY closely mic-ed (spelling?), so sometimes it comes of a little too loud without much range from speaker to speaker, while Star Trek III sounds much better, and The Motion Picture even better than its sequels—very strange! NP: The Search For Spock — the remix track at the end! hahahaha... someone's not paying attention to their stereo!
posted 12-04-2003 08:06 PM PT (US)

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