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Topic: Good idea/bad idea?
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James
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Opinions, please...Do you think it would be a good idea or a bad idea if... For movies with rejected scores to have options on the DVD release to watch the film with the rejected score or the one was eventually used? I think it would be very interesting to watch films like What Dreams May Come with Ennio Morricone's music, or Something Wicked This Way Comes with Georges Delerue's music. What do you think? James
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posted 04-21-2000 07:56 PM PT (US) ip
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Scorro
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I don't imagine we'll see this idea implemented very often, but it would be nice, especially for high profile scores which were surprisingly replaced.
Examples: Jerry's score for "Legend", North's score for "2001"
I would love to see 2001 with North's music to experience the intended result.
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posted 04-21-2000 10:41 PM PT (US) ip
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Chase&August
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Excellant idea, but I'm sure this feature will NEVER see the light of day.
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posted 04-22-2000 12:21 AM PT (US) ip
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Kris Koon
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The problem with that is that often times the score that is rejected wouldn't fit the final cut of the film. North's 2001 score wouldn't fit because Kubrick cut the movie to the classical music that he used. The cues in North's score aren't the same length as the finished scenes that they were originally written to accompany.
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posted 04-22-2000 12:38 AM PT (US) ip
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Scorro
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True, 2001/North would be like a new production, all re-edited. Ain't gonna happin! But, it's worthy of a 1 minute daydream. Actually, I like the way Kubrick employed Strauss for his vision. The alternative would have been very interesting though.
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posted 04-22-2000 01:19 AM PT (US) ip
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dex
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I always found the classical music in "2001" to be VERY distracting. I'm not saying the music itself is bad; it certainly isn't. It's obviously some of the finest music ever composed. But it just doesn't belong in "2001." North's music would've been MUCH better.
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posted 04-22-2000 01:46 AM PT (US) ip
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Exarkun
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It is a good idea but i think it won't be feasible...
The legalities of doing something like that would be prohibitive and most DVD producers could not be bothered to go through the hassle.Unless they have tons of money that is.. 
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posted 04-22-2000 02:14 AM PT (US) ip
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Lou Goldberg
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I've actually taken the North cues from the Goldsmith conducted 2001 CD and cued them up to scenes in the film---some like the main title and the moon shuttle cue match rather closely. Honestly, I wasn't impressed. Even if the Main Title catches the moment the title appears on screen better than the Strauss, it just isn't Strauss. Watching the combo of North score and 2001, I could see Kubrick going "This is a typical film score. For this film I need something else, something that sounds much different, that doesn't just receed into the background." Also, North composed music for the Dawn of Man sequences and I think Kubrick preferred the silence. I think Kubrick got what he wanted by using the music he did, some of which works well and some of which doesn't at all (something which has been said about the film as a whole).Over at the FSM board there was an endless thread about The Birds needing a Herrmann score that everyone had an opinion about--recently I played cues from Cape Fear over scenes in The Birds and it really changed the feel of the film. Nevertheless, I made the point there that if we'd known the film with a score, it'd be difficult to imagine it without one. The same goes here--if we'd seen 2001 with a North score, we probably think it an outrage to consider it with a score of classical pieces. I've been playing around with linking music from one film up to images from another for years now just for fun, to see the effect. I can't imagine the day DVD guys give us a rejected score to compare against the real one. However, if memory recalls, the Spartacus laser disc has alternate tracks or something cued up so you can run the scenes with different music or with or without music (I'm probably wrong about this and just making it up). NP: Wuthering Heights (Ryuichi Sakamoto) and just for fun I might pull out the Wyler version on VHS to play beside it. [This message has been edited by Lou Goldberg (edited 22 April 2000).]
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posted 04-22-2000 03:53 AM PT (US) ip
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Ellen B Edgerton
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On that note, has anyone ever tried THE WIZARD OF OZ with Pink Floyd's DARK SIDE OF THE MOON? This was a "synch" that gained some notoriety a couple years ago, and I decided to try it for myself (very skeptical).In a nutshell, it blew me away. Try it sometime at a party!
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posted 04-22-2000 06:00 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Don't forget that the Alien DVD has Jerry's original score in an isolated score track, synched with the film. So that IS an example of a more or less rejected score on the DVD.I think it's a great idea, and while it may not be possible most of the time (often the rejected scores aren't even recorded, right?), it should be done whenever there's a way.
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posted 04-22-2000 06:29 AM PT (US) ip
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Scorro
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The Wizard & Pink Floyd reminds me of something we used to do as teenagers, which was to turn the volume totally off on the TV, play rock music, and allow the lyrics to fill in the TV dialogue. Sometimes the results would be surprisingly humorous! Anyway, we obviously had a lot of time on our hands...
I'll have to check out Marian's example of this type of special DVD feature.
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posted 04-22-2000 07:39 AM PT (US) ip
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James
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Well, I'd never expect it to be feasible. I just thought it would be neat to fantasize about.BUT, I thought I remembered a post here which said the upcoming LEGEND DVD would in fact have Jerry's score....?
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posted 04-22-2000 08:22 AM PT (US) ip
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Jeron
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I think that's still gonna happen, James... let's just keep our fingers crossed.Jeron
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posted 04-22-2000 09:51 AM PT (US) ip
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Kevin
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From what I've heard the Legend DVD will have Jerry's score, and an entirely different edit. I guess it's mostly done now, but it's release has been pushed back to get "Jaws" and "Jurassic Park" out this summer. Kevin
NP - Much Ado About Nothing (Doyle)
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posted 04-22-2000 10:27 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Wouldn't it be wonderful to have isolated score tracks on the Jaws and Jurassic Park discs? It's a crime that this wasn't done for Hook.
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posted 04-22-2000 02:44 PM PT (US) ip
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Swashbuckler
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I know of one case in which a film was presented on video with an alternate score as an option, and that was the special edition laserdisc of "Benny and Joon." I do not own this disc, so I can't elaborate; I don't know who composed this alternate score, but it is interesting.
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posted 04-23-2000 05:20 PM PT (US) ip
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