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Topic: Who have you recently discovered?

Ellen B Edgerton

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Have you recently discovered any exciting composers or film music genres that you hadn't heard of before (or had, but had never checked out)? If so, who/what are they?It doesn't have to be someone that no one's ever heard of - just someone you hadn't listened to until now.
For example- I've recently become very interested in Chinese composer Zhao Jiping, and Asian film music in general, based on the two recent releases ELECTRIC SHADOWS and FAREWELL MY CONCUBINE (from Silva).
So who are you all hot and bothered about right now?
posted 04-21-2000 03:48 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Hm. Discovering composers is something that I don't often do. That's why very few composers have many CDs in my score collection.Most recently, I discovered Rachel Portman's score to The Cider House Rules. That doesn't mean I have really discovered Portman. As of yet, she's just another one of those composers from whom I have one CD. I like the score very much, but I can't say that I have discovered her until I've heard more works by her. Which I'm eager to do, though.

I've also started listening to Gustav Mahler again. Not much yet, but I'm starting to like him.
posted 04-21-2000 04:04 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Hahaha... Ellen! Awesome topic! Discovering new composers is a hobby of mine, and several of my Moviemusic.com friends can attest to that, as I'm always attempting to broaden their horizons as well. Excellent!The only composer I've recently "discovered" is Richard Marvin, composer of U-571. This guy composed a killer score! Unfortunately, there's been no sign of a release.
By the way, this is my first time to see you post, though from what I can tell, you've posted 30 or so times. Since I'm just now noticing, I'm not sure if anyone else has welcomed you. Soooo..... Welcome!, welcome!, welcome! I look forward to conversing w/ you on the board.
Jeron
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posted 04-21-2000 04:39 PM PT (US) 
Scorro
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About a year ago I obtained my first Georges Delerue score, resulting in a continued discovery of his many works. I bought "Le Denier Metro" recently with no idea of what it would sound like, and I love it. This is the composer whom I most identify with. There's a unique essence to his music through his own gift of expressing beauty and emotion. So, I will continue to discover Delerue as there are many more titles of his I have yet to hear.
The best, _Sc
posted 04-21-2000 06:47 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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Scorro, try the London Sessions CDs on Varese. they are magnificent overview of what Delerue was all about. He had quite a broad range.All I do is discover new composers. I like to hear a wide range of things, and so am not really stuck to one genre.
I guess the last composer I had an epiphany about was Carter Burwell. I heard Fargo, and that was it man. I had to check this guy out!
Now I have many scores of his, and have a wishlist that includes 3 or 4 of his unreleased scores.NP -- REQUIEM, Hector Berlioz. now THIS is choral music!!
posted 04-21-2000 07:19 PM PT (US) 
Scorro
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JJH, Oh yes, The Sessions! Recently I finally acquired that difficult to obtain Vol. 1. They are all great and a really good place to start a Delerue collection.
As for Burwell; I picked up his Rob Roy score last year and it knocked my socks off in a way I didn't expect. Really nice music! I've seen your references to Hi-Lo Country and intend to get a copy. I like western scores and enjoyed his themes in the movie.
_Sc
posted 04-21-2000 09:51 PM PT (US) 
Richard

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Thomas Newman, I bought The Green Mile having not seen the film, and thought it was good, but I was blown away with his score to American Beauty.
I saw the film, and over the days following that, downloaded the entire score from Napster. (Ssssssssshhhh). I just love it to pieces, it's a shame it hasn't been released in enough places in Australia for me to come by a copy to purchase. I bought the Shawshank Redemption for $5 from a friend a few months back, and have never really listened to it. I think it's time to start.
posted 04-22-2000 02:14 AM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Ellen, two of the better scores I have found the last few years, other than the major composers, were for Moby Dick, Chris Gordon and Animal Farm, both TV movies. Animal Farm has a beautiful theme, sweeping and powerful. Best, John.
posted 04-22-2000 04:56 AM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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Debbie Wiseman. The score for Haunted is very good. You guys should try it!
posted 04-22-2000 11:03 AM PT (US) 
joan hue

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For the past year, I’ve been trying to get a sense of sound
and composition from foreign movies, especially Japanese
samurai and Godzilla movies. I can’t find too many, so I
haven’t quite decided if the thematic motifs of Ifukube and
Sato are what I want to order and play consistently; however,
I’ve found more and will continue to study their style, trademarks,
and themes in their music.Chuck Cirino is another one that’s on my quest. I accidentally
heard a few Morriconeish themes from the movie, Big Bad
Mama II. Horrid movie, great music. IMDb shows that he has
scored for a lot of CULT type movies and below average horror
flicks. (Ghoulies IV, Sorority House Massacre, Bad Girls
from Mars..do I want to rent these?? Hmmm.) I recently
rented Return Of the Swamp Thing-campy fun- and was again
impressed with both his ST action theme and the love theme.
Ford Thaxton on this Board recently mentioned Cirino’s Weird
TV web site, his production of some of his music, and listed
Cirino’s e mail address. I e mailed him a compliment about his
music and received a very kind response in return.Also, just starting to listen to more Delerue and classical music. I need to pursue more scores for Hollywood's Golden Era. So little time; so much music.
posted 04-22-2000 12:02 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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Dr Evil,do you have Wiseman's Tom and Viv or Wilde ?
posted 04-22-2000 03:51 PM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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Dear Jar Jar,
Unfurnately, I still haven't found what I looking for.(Ups, this sounds like Bono!)
I don't even know the discography, or filmography.Any help?
Thanks
posted 04-22-2000 04:14 PM PT (US) 
Bods
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If your beginning to take an interest in Asian film music, then I suggest you check out the soundtrack to Wong Kar-Wai's Ashes Of Time. If you can't find a copy, the below website has the entire score for download in MP3.
http://www.hkid.com/people/pcsk/ashes.html
posted 04-22-2000 10:09 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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Dear Dr Evil,go to this page for a Wiseman filmography.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/~cm1jwb/wiseman.htmposted 04-23-2000 06:46 AM PT (US) 
sabbey

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Actually the last several months have been pretty good. Especially since last summer, when it comes to hearing work from new composers I had not heard before.
Here is an list of some of the composers I just recently started listening to.
Richard Harvey
Anne Dudley
Thomas, David, Alfred and Randy Newman
Wojciech Kilar
Erich Wolfgang Korngold
Alex North
Miklós Rózsa
Franz Waxman
Marco Beltrami
Rachel Portman
Max Steiner
Bruce Broughton
Robert Folk
George Fenton
Michael Giacchino
Elliot Goldenthal
Joel Goldsmith
Trevor Jones
Michael Kamen
Ennio Morricone
John Ottman
Patrick Doyle
Bernard Herrmann
Don Davis
John Debney
James Newton Howard
Elia CmiralAll of which are great and can't wait to hear more of.

Regards,
Sean Robert Abbey[This message has been edited by sabbey (edited 29 April 2000).]
posted 04-26-2000 05:39 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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I discover new composers all the time. I have a personal list that I carry around (well, not exactly - it's on my computer) that I update every time a new composer pops up that catches my interest. The list consists of several hundred names - from the obvious to the obscure, from the long-since deceased to the young hotshots, from the experienced to the one-timers etc.Recently, I have "rediscovered" Elliot Goldenthal, a composer I've liked for many years, but who I am only now starting to "complete".
posted 04-27-2000 09:05 AM PT (US) 
Chris

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When I watched "The Bone Collector" I heard the name Craig Armstrong for the first time. Not that I like his music for the Bone Collector so much (it's good, but not that good), but I think he will do a few good movies in the future.
posted 04-29-2000 03:20 AM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Altough not a newcomer in my collection, I must say that only now I'm starting to really apreciate Ennio Morricone's works into its full range.
posted 04-29-2000 11:12 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I liked Chris Boardman's score for PAYBACK -- a seventies pastiche, I know (of Shire's impeccable TAKING OF PELHAM 1-2-3 in particular), but a FUN pastiche, confidently written and applied. EVERY composer starts out as an imitator of one kind or another, and I'm hoping that Boardman will really grow. Just approaching PAYBACK in that quasi-funky style, rather than the prevalent Media Ventures idiom, appealed to me in itself.NP: IL MERCENARIO (Ennio Morricone, 1968 Western score, playing for the first time, very nice -- main theme, whistled by Bruno Nicolai, is weirdly suggestive of the spooky Zamfir pan-flute theme for PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK, 1975)
posted 04-29-2000 04:28 PM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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Not so new to me, but I hope many others will discover one of film music's unsung heroes: John Scott. I'll snatch up anything by him and I'm never less than floored by his inventiveness in composition and arranging. For those of you who like beautiful melodies and hearts worn on sleeves, John's the guy. And he can craft some pretty brutal action set-pieces, too! From the regal magnificence of GREYSTOKE, through the exoticism and mystery of THE DECEIVERS and THE SECOND JUNGLE BOOK, to the truly heartfelt FAR FROM HOME: THE ADVENTURES OF YELLOW DOG, John seemingly crafts one glorious work after another. Won't somebody PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE give him a chance at a major film????
posted 05-01-2000 07:06 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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John Scott is an excellent composer and also, I can attest, a real gentleman. HE'D have done a score for GLADIATOR that NO ONE could complain about.
posted 05-01-2000 07:52 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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John Scott is indeed a great composer!!
" Greystoke" is marvelous! Oh man... that main theme... just marvelous...!!![This message has been edited by Andre Lux (edited 01 May 2000).]
posted 05-01-2000 07:59 PM PT (US) 
Valere

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Is this the same John Scott that wrote THE FINAL COUNTDOWN of the 70's ? This guy is teriffic!
posted 05-05-2000 07:32 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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After reading various posts, I decided to rent some videos this week scored by Leonard Rosenman. His music to Fantastic Voyage was a superb coupling to the movie; however, it was so dissonant that I doubt I would enjoy it as a stand alone CD. Also rented Cross Creek. The score was gorgeous, so very melodic compared to Fantastic Voyage. Guess I better rent LOTR, as I've seen many posts on it. Any other recommendations on this composer?Have to add to the above threads that every movie I've rented so far scored by John Scott has had wonderful music. Is Hollywood nuts not giving him major motion pictures?
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posted 05-05-2000 10:55 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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joan: Be prepared to be disappointed by the LOTR movie (NOT the score!). While I love it, because despite all of it's failures it can't manage to ruin Tolkien's fantastic story, it still doesn't live up at all to the novel. From what I've heard, the upcoming trilogy will be far better. Still, the score to the animated movie is, as I said a thousand times, one of the best scores I've ever heard, both in context with the movie and as a standalone listening experience.NP: Sinfonia antartica (Ralph Vaughan Williams)
posted 05-06-2000 07:09 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Joan: To hear an excellent Rosenman score, you might want to rent CROSS CREEK. Up for an Oscar for that one, he was, and it's one of his more accessible and melodic works. You perhaps already saw STAR TREK IV. BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES is interesting -- the movie is sort of schizophrenic, I actually don't recommend it unless you can find a letterboxed copy (it's amazingly handsome in its full frames, but that might not be the type of thing that you'll obsess about, as I do.) BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES is a maddening picture, but features one of Rosenman's best scores, I think, even better than BENEATH. In particular I admire the main title sequence (not the pre-credits sequence, which seems to be cropped from bits of BENEATH), and the dark, hulking music for Caesar's battle with Aldo in the tree. Precisely when the picture needed a melody, though, over the finale, Rosenman couldn't deliver. A melodist, he has rarely ever been.
posted 05-06-2000 02:26 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I'll refresh myself by renting the Apes films. It has been a while. H R, if you reread my post, you'll note I did rent CROSS CREEK, which was wonderful and accessible. I didn't realize it was up for an Oscar. If that is his only melodic score, he may not be for me, but I'll keep trying him. Thanks for the recommendations. LOTR and the APE movies will be rented. (Thanks for the warning, Marian.)[This message has been edited by joan hue (edited 06 May 2000).]
posted 05-06-2000 02:37 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Somehow I managed to see all Apes movies - except the two scored by Rosenman. I'm still angry that the DVD releases won't be 16:9 enhanced.Joan: As I said, despite the warning, I still love the LOTR movie. Perhaps only because it introduced me to Tolkien's world. If you enjoy it only the slightest bit, you'll LOVE the novel (actually, have you read it?)
NP: The Planets (Holst; Sir Neville Marriner/Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam; fantastic performance, but the sound is a bit muffled)
I once heard this live in a concert (not the performance I have on CD though), and I believe one of the bass players tore a string during the Mars ostinato.
posted 05-06-2000 05:13 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Joan, one consequence of typing as fast as I do is that things occasionally just slip out before I've thought them through -- I DID read the part about your already knowing the CROSS CREEK movie. I wanted to fix it as soon as I compared the messages, but the damnable flood controls (or whatever it is that sometimes keeps messages stifled for lengthy periods) wouldn't let me. At present (shrug) I will not bother.Marian ... brrr, this is technical, but I'm curious ... what are you talking about, re: the APES DVD format? If they're going to be letterboxed, then how screwed up can they be?
posted 05-06-2000 07:47 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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John Ottman is another composer who is showing great promise. His Snow White and Usual Suspects scores are both good. Best, John.
posted 05-06-2000 10:05 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Your H’ness, I too have that problem at times getting
back into my threads. Thanks for the recommendations
and for the “best of the best” Kurosawa movies listed on
the director’s topic. I’ve seen more of those titles around
lately.Ah shucks, Marian, you had to ask me if I’d read LOTR. Please
know that I’m a voracious reader and will read just about anything
I get my hands on. Also, length is no problem. (Just read Lamb’s
This I Know To Be True-800 pages. Read Lonesome Dove when
first published.) But the one genre I have never related to is
fantasy. My literature students used to beg me to read LOTR, and
usually I read whatever they wanted me to read for the sake of
discussion and bonding. For some unknown reason, I avoided
the trilogy. So little time, so many books. I know, I know, I SHOULD
just do it. Inertia reigns. I’m reminded of an old CHEERS episode
where Ted Danson spends days reading War and Peace to impress
Diane. Then he’s livid when he finds out there’s a movie of Tolstoy’s
novel. Come on guys. Can’t MOM just wait for the movie?
NP Going to bed
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posted 05-06-2000 11:03 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Joan, you should read it anyway. I'm a really slow reader, and I often don't read anything for weeks. I've begun to read Moby-Dick more than a year ago, and I'm somewhere in the middle of it by now. But I've read the complete LOTR trilogy about 8 times. So you see I just HAVE to recommend it!
Mr. H'ness: Of course you'll agree that if a movie is letterboxed, the picture resolution is lower because of those black bars. Now I'd rather have lower resolution than only half the picture (pan&scan), but there's this nice technique called "anamorphic transfer", also known as "16:9 enhanced": The movie is stored on the DVD stretched vertically, so the resolution is higher. During playback, it is squeezed again to have the correct aspect ratio, but the resolution isn't diminished. I didn't calculate this myself, but reportedly non-anamorphic discs have about 25% less image information than anamorphic ones.
NP: Sinfonia antartica (by now, you should really know who composed it
)posted 05-07-2000 08:34 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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I believe FSM's next release is Beneath The Planet of The Apes?!Your H'ness, Your so right about John Scott,He could handle a score for Gladiator no problem!,My faves are Greystoke,The Shooting Party and Shoot to Kill, I also like some of his 'Cousteau' documentary scores!
Anyone here seen The Killing Fields which has a wonderful (and one off?) score by Mike Oldfield of Tubular Bells fame?!,with additional music by British classical composer David Bedford,someone whose own music I rate very highly!
....Oh your H', Bruce Robinson did the screenplay!!
NP : nothing
posted 05-07-2000 11:28 AM PT (US) 
debi
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Been meaning to check out this topic to see if meant discovering new, up & coming composers or listening to established composers for the first time. Since I expected it to be the latter, I was really excited to discover I'm not alone in getting a big charge out of finding rising stars before they're stars--generally in television or indie films. It's sort of like scouting & it's pretty heady, really! Plus, later, you get to say, "told you so!"I'd wondered only because I haven't really seen a topic like this before--most are discussions about established composers only. So thanks for posting this, Ellen!
Thor: I'm very interested in the "young hotshots" on your list--can you share some names?
Joan: "one genre I have never related to is fantasy." -- I SO know better than that! Seriously, if you're like me, the real criteria is that the story be well written--good characterization, well plotted, subtext, emotional resonance, etc. And honestly, LOTR does fulfill those elements. Not every fantasy book does--but then again, 90% of mainstream books don't either. For me, it's not the genre, it's the writer.
posted 05-08-2000 08:01 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by debi:
Joan: "one genre I have never related to is fantasy." -- I SO know better than that! Seriously, if you're like me, the real criteria is that the story be well written--good characterization, well plotted, subtext, emotional resonance, etc. And honestly, LOTR does fulfill those elements. Not every fantasy book does--but then again, 90% of mainstream books don't either. For me, it's not the genre, it's the writer.VERY right. It's the same with films: I like EVERY movie if it's good, independent of the genre (mostly, at least).
I don't know much fantasy besides Tolkien, but everything by him I've read so far is fantastic.
NP: Donnie Brasco (Doyle)
posted 05-08-2000 10:34 AM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Marian and debi, I knew this would happen. You are both right. It isn't the genre; it's the writing, characters, story, etc. that really counts. I'm leaning...
posted 05-08-2000 02:18 PM PT (US) 
Brad Wills

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Quick, everyone!!! Joan is LEANING!!! Somebody prop her up, quick!

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posted 05-08-2000 02:23 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I feel like a teacher now.
NP: The Fly 2 (Christopher Young)
posted 05-08-2000 04:11 PM PT (US) 
JClark

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Joan and Marian: I read the Lord of the Rings once a year, in order to prevent legalese from sapping my mental abilities and to remind me what the English language (sorry Marian if you read it in translation) can achieve, or at least what it could achieve 50 years ago (Whether writers today can coax as much beauty and eloquence out of it as Tolkien did is another question altogether.).Marian: As you are a RVW fan, you've no doubt heard the Marco Polo compilation of his film music? It's a great album, and includes The 49th Parallel as well as other WWII-era scores. It makes a great companion album, by the way, to the Chandos compilation of William Walton's non-Shakespearean film scores.
You've given me a great incentive to relisten to my cycle (the Boult) of the RVW symphonies (haven't done it in at least a year). But alas! there's too much music out there.
posted 05-08-2000 09:03 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Oh the nagging. I just should have lied and said I HAD read LOTR. (Then dashed out and bought the Cliff Notes!!)But I can't LIE!
NP THE CAINE MUTINY, NEW 3 CD VERSION

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