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Topic: New Kunzel CD... MEGA MOVIES from Telarc

Jeron

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Well, I'm at the college library trying to find some sources for my research paper... and guess what? Moviemusic.com has distracted me. I found this while surfing around and figured I'd share. I've always been a fan of Mr. Kunzel and the Cincinatti Pops... and I know several of you are as well.Taken from Soundtrackmag.com:
MEGA MOVIES, TELARC RECORDS latest CD of film Music featuring Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops.
Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops return to soundtracks in a big way with "Mega Movies." Due in stores on May 30, this new release combines the appeal of Hollywood's biggest action adventure movies with spectacular sound effects.
Mega Movies features Godzilla's ear-splitting roar, a simulated bee attack made with six mics (for music from THE X-FILES), the UCLA Fencing Club in action from THE MASK OF ZORRO), the excruciating sound of a ship being cut open (to recreate the TITANIC'S moment of impact), and more. The liner notes include a sound effects text written by Telarc's SFX wizard, Michael Bishop the man behind the bees, the swordfights, and the icebergs. Over the years, his sound effects, included on many Cincinnati Pops recordings, have given a special character to those CDs, delighting listeners with their realism.
This latest CD features music from THE MUMMY, THE MASK OF ZORRO, MIGHTY JOE YOUNG, THE ROCK. CONTACT, AIR FORCE ONE, STAR WARS: PHANTOM MENACE, L.A. CONFIDENTIAL, THE PRINCE OF EGYPT THE X-FILES, A BUG'S LIFE, ELIZABETH, GODZILLA, SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE, TITANIC, and ARMAGEDDON.
Look for the CD in stores on May 30, 2000. For more information visit: http://www.telarc.com/
posted 04-20-2000 09:48 AM PT (US) 
Al

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Sound effects with the music?? Why, if I wanted to listen to that, I could just play the movie!
posted 04-20-2000 01:19 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Al, Erich Kunzel is known for these type of cds. The sound effects are usually very short and don't detract from the length of the album... and they are separate from the music tracks. Regardless, Kunzel always does a great job re-recording the music.Jeron
posted 04-20-2000 01:42 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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I typically dislike Kunzel's dumbed down treatment of great film music. The sound effects are the sonic equivalent of vulgarity and, IMHO, detract GREATLY from the music. The Symphonic Star Trek CD is a disaster because of them, not to mention the clangy sound of the Cinncinati Pops Orchestra itself. But I'll give this one a chance since it looks like there's some good music on it. I just hope Kunzel has outgrown his infatuation for hokey kiddy effects.
posted 04-20-2000 02:15 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Gosh, perhaps I should go crawl under a rock.
posted 04-20-2000 02:33 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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Relax Jeron. Nobody's poking at you. But didn't you think that the Symphonic Star Trek CD (as an example) was a bit much on the sound effects?I just wish Kunzel would let the music stand on it's own and appreciate the possibility that we who buy the CDs will be satisfied without all the fluff. I mean, there's a whole world of difference between the way the music is treated on his albums and the way it is treated on some of Silva's better compilations.
posted 04-20-2000 02:44 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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hehe... Well, I think that yes, we could have done w/ out the sound effects. But hey, a lot of folks (for some reason or another) like the inclusion of those, and perhaps that might be a feature that attract non-score folks into listening to film music.Either way, there are several performances on the Symphonic Star Trek disc that are cool, most noteably the Star Trek: Voyager theme... cool arrangement. The "fluff" is easy enough to skip past.
=D Jeron
[This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 20 April 2000).]
posted 04-20-2000 03:57 PM PT (US) 
Al

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"Fluff" aside, I don't find anything wrong with Kunzel's arrangements, and I think he does a fairly good job....but I still think the sound effects part is unnecessary and a bit cheesy. I guess some people do enjoy this though, as these compilations have sold pretty well for Kunzel to still be doing them.
posted 04-20-2000 04:05 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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My thoughts exactly.
posted 04-20-2000 05:05 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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I have several of those CDs. My favorites are the first Roundup CD and Chiller. The sound effects-leave off, please. Just stupid. Like the Rhino Murder is My Beat-so much dialog and junk on there I couldn't hear the music. Horrible. F-.
posted 04-20-2000 05:31 PM PT (US) 
JEC
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I've been thinking of getting the CD that contains WAR OF THE WORLDS--though the title escapes me now. I want it only for that. Is it worth the price of a CD?
posted 04-20-2000 05:39 PM PT (US) 
otten

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I love Kunzel's work and the Cincinnati Pops. Of course, I am from Cincinnati and have heard them live, so maybe I am a little biased. This album sounds awesome, and I am very interested in hearing and orchestra perform some of those cues, especially the Rock.
posted 04-20-2000 05:46 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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Cool! Funny thing, I was just browsing through the store today and found no new Kunzel CD's on the shelf. I had a stirring impulse to check and see if anything came out. My instincts were correct, I guess! When is the CD due?BTW, the "War of the Worlds" track is on "Fantastic Journey" which also features such treasures as "The Exlporeres," "The Last Starfighter," "The Beastmaster and Black Hole," as well as a phenominal "Batman" suite which dominates a multitude of tracks and does great justice to Elfman's score. It's an over-all great disc and is one of his nicer ones. Also the fourth instalment in his sci-fi series, the first three being Star Tracks I & II and Time Warp.
I've been following his career since I was in middle school and I found that Kunzel's works to be the best as far as compilation CD's go. Telarc does a great job at creating clear sound using all digital sources. Many of the tracks come out nicer than the original version, and that's VERY hard to do.
The sound effects aren't THAT bad..remember the great Warp Drive effects on Star Tracks II, as well as Nimoy's classic Dialogue in the "Star Trek II" suite? I found that quite moving.
Would be nice to hear what Kunzel does with this new disc...
posted 04-20-2000 06:58 PM PT (US) 
James

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JEC-
You'd be buying an entire CD for 1:10 of music. Not sure that's the best route. The track doesn't strike me as anything that great (but I haven't heard the original in a LONG time). But there is a lot of great stuff on that CD, so if you bought it and ended up not liking the WOTW track it would not be a loss.This new one sounds great. I really love Kunzel's CDs. My two favorites are probably Chiller (poor film selection but fabulous performances of Danse Macabre and Night on Bald Mountain) and Beautiful Hollywood.
I will go as far to say that not all of the sound effects are bad, but there are a few we could do without. On Symphonic Star Trek, for instance, I love the whales but the Borg dialogue is really, REALLY bad.
But the orchestra's fabulous performance always more than makes up for it, IMHO. I think Kunzel's version of the Star Trek 4 theme is ten times better than the original.
I'll really be loking forward to this one.
Thanks for the info!
James
posted 04-20-2000 10:53 PM PT (US) 
James

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About Chiller... "poor film selection" isn't quite what I meant... what is there is very good, it's what isn't there that bothers me... plenty of scores much more apt for something scary.
posted 04-20-2000 10:56 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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YES! That CD is worth it just for his version of The War of the Worlds prelude--short but awesome version. He did an amazing version of cues from El Cid on another CD. I hate the sound effects. He did an amazing version of Gunfight at the OK Corral that was marred by that crap. I wish someone would hire this guy to actually do re-records in a serious way rather than have him do these pops CDs. It's obvious he likes film music and can conduct it properly but these things are a sad waste of such great talent.NP: Witness (Maurice Jarre)
posted 04-21-2000 01:21 AM PT (US) 
JJH

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Well, Kunzel's Fantastic Voyages (I THINK that's the name) which features cuts from Hook, Willow, Total Recall, Conan, etc. is one of the CDs that got me hooked onto film music. I have a few of the Kunzel CDs and I like them very much.And I like the sound effects. they're cool. For one thing, they're just plain fun. At least they aren't part of the music itself. Second, they usually sound great with a few exceptions. Thirdly, sometimes they are a great transitional tool if listening to the disc straight through -- gets me in the right mind set for the score coming up.
posted 04-21-2000 05:23 AM PT (US) 
sakman
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I always find it mildly amusing that the people who claim to like these FX-included CDs have a cow over things like "Angela's Ashes" with it's occassional dialogue.I love these Kunzel discs, personally. The only thing I don't like is that they are frustrating to use if you put them in a multiple cd changer. Nothing like getting a screeching, burping dinosaur effect followed by the theme to "Schindler's List".
And, I was playing the Star Trek disc once in my car and thought I blew a gasket when that Genesis planet exploded.
But, this new one does seem to have some potential, especially if it has music from David Arnold's score to "Godzilla".
NP: The Age of Innocence (Bernstein)--found this used. Heard the "theme" on a number of compilations and turns out this is a very good score after all!
posted 04-21-2000 08:20 AM PT (US) 
James

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JJH -
You're think of The Great Fantasy Adventure Album. Another fabulous one, indeed!
posted 04-21-2000 05:53 PM PT (US) 
James

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Nevermind.[This message has been edited by James (edited 25 April 2000).]
posted 04-25-2000 01:49 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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the point about Angela's Ashes is that the dialogue occurs OVER Williams' music.and of course the easiest way to remedy that is to get the Decca version.
the point about FX is that they were not included as a part of the music, but separated.
NP -- My clean sounding TPM score CD.
posted 04-25-2000 02:26 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
