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    Topic:   Lord Of The Rings score

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    It sounds as though Kilar being attached to LOTR is not well founded. There's a post at Score!
    www.scorereviews.com/news.htm#horner_lotr

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    posted 04-19-2000 12:16 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    The New Line rep said Kilar's name has indeed been brought up in association with LOTR, but revealed New Line's favorite to score the trilogy is James Horner (Aliens, Braveheart, Titanic)."

    1) Please, please don't!
    2) New Line's favourite is Horner. Who is Peter Jackson's favourite? I hope the studio doesn't have a too strong influence on the film. To make a LOTR movie is a very hard task, because it is especially important (I think) to stay close to the original novel. And studios aren't too well known to stay true to anything except money.

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    posted 04-19-2000 01:20 PM PT (US)     

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    Come on guys... I don't think Horner would necessarily be a bad decision. Be optomistic! We'll get a lengthy score release from Sony Classical... and it possibly could be a cool revisit to the "Willow" and "Krull" days... I wouldn't mind that. And I'll say it once again... we may even get a new Celine Dion song out of it! It can't get much better than that. I personally can't wait for Dion's new hit single, "Love is like a Dinosaur." Music by James Horner, Original Theme by John Williams, Lyrics by Will Jennings... from Jurassic Park 3.

    Jeron

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    posted 04-19-2000 02:23 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm not real familiar with the whole "LOTR" storyline, but I look forward to seeing the movie, one of the big BIG reasons being that Sean Bean is in it! (Is in all three, actually . . . I think. Can anybody confirm?)

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    posted 04-19-2000 02:26 PM PT (US)     

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    Jeron: I do not generally dislike Horner, and I have to admit that I so far never have heard Willow or Krull (although I'll catch Willow on TV tomorrow).
    From what I do know, he is a good "superficial" composer, as long as he doesn't start one of his rip-offs. Aside from those, his score to Aliens would be really good. I also liked Sneakers. But LOTR needs a nearly "psychologic" score, and I don't know if Horner's score would have enough depth to be qualified for the movies - IF the movies stay true enough to the original, that is. And IF he does start one of his famous rip-offs, he'll probably ruin the movie for me.
    So: Maybe he could really do a great score. But I doubt it, and wouldn't want to take the risk.

    dex: The answer will be easy...if you tell me which character he plays!

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    posted 04-19-2000 03:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Am I the only one who constantly uses the "quote" icon instead of the "edit" icon, and doesn't notice it until the quote appears on the page? (This WAS such a quote)

    [This message has been edited by Marian Schedenig (edited 19 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-19-2000 03:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, I agree with Jeron. It'd be great to have Horner return to Willow or Krull. Both great scores. I think given the opportunity, he could do quite well.

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    posted 04-19-2000 03:55 PM PT (US)     

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    I believe he plays . . . Boromir. Not sure if it's spelled right, but it's similar if it's not. He's such a great actor. Loved him in "Patriot Games," "GoldenEye," and "Ronin," though wish his part had been bigger. Has anybody hear seen any of his "Sharpe's" movies? I've only seen half of one (was watching it on cable, and the POWER WENT OUT!!). I see he's got some new Acuvue contact lens commercials running (two, in fact, and one in which he fires a bow and arrow, then glances at the camera and says, "sharp as ever." HAHA!!), so maybe those commercials and the "LOTR" film(s) will help him get even more noticed in the US, and then he can start appearing in more American films. That would be a dream come truu!

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    posted 04-19-2000 03:57 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by dex:
    I believe he plays . . . Boromir. Not sure if it's spelled right, but it's similar if it's not.

    Spelled right, but it means that he won't be in #2 and #3.
    I have to admit that I never consciously saw him in a movie. I've got Ronin lying somewhere here on my desk, though, and should really watch it...

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by SEBULBA:
    I think given the opportunity, he could do quite well.

    You know, that's the point: Quite well isn't good enough. LOTR needs a phenomenal score!

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:02 PM PT (US)     

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    You sohuld check out those others: he was so menacing in "Patriot Games," and was one of the best Bond villains in "GoldenEye."

    Not being in 2 and 3, hope that doesn't mean he gets killed. I'd like to see him live long enough to see the credits rolls. Everytime I see him, he's either gone after twenty-odd minutes ("Ronin,") or a villain ("GoldenEye" and "Patriot Games.") Is Boromir a good guy or a bad guy? If he's a bad guy, I guess I know the fate of his character.

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Either of these men would be excellent!!!!!!

    If Horner can go back to Willow (my personal fav of his), this would be excellent! That is about the only score I listened to while reading those books.

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I remember Boromir as a good guy. Make of that what you will. (dex, you must not have seen the 1978 LORD OF THE RINGS. Not that I recommend it.)

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Like I said up above, I'm not at all familiar with the "LOTR" stories. But I look forward to seeing the film. Haven't seen a trailer or anything, but the pictures make it look like it'll be an entertaining film. Can't wait.

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    posted 04-19-2000 05:18 PM PT (US)     

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    dex,
    Sean Bean....Good actor!!,shame you didn't get to see more of 'Sharpe'!

    Marian,
    have you never heard KRULL?!
    For Me!,And probably More than a few people on this board,The best Horner score BAR NONE!!, And for Me one of a few soundtracks I can listen to from begining to end without wanting to skip a track or two!!
    On Horners recent form I still hope it'll be Kilar for LOTR!!....We'll have to wait and see!

    NP : Pan Tadeusz - kilar....coincidence,I promise!

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    posted 04-19-2000 05:30 PM PT (US)     

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    dex: He's a good guy. More or less. I mean, he IS a good guy, but then there's that ring, you know... Ah, read the book! You won't regret it!

    Rocco: I'd recommend it. It's a bad film, but Tolkien's story is so phenomenal and Rosenman's score, too, they nearly save the movie. I saw it countless times as a child before I read the novel, so I still love the film.

    Timmer: Never heard & never seen Krull. In fact, I never heard ABOUT it except here and at FSM. Probably has a completely different title in German. I'll have to check the IMDb.

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    posted 04-19-2000 05:38 PM PT (US)     

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    Timmer - I'm dying to see more of "Sharpe's." Every month I get a catelogue for a video place back in New York that sells the films in box sets. Each set comes with four films, but each set is $89.97!! That's outrageous. They're shown on the History channel occasionally, but I don't get it.

    Oh, well: hope I can see them before long.

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    posted 04-19-2000 05:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Re Patriot Games: I found the movie horrible. I love Hunt for Red October, but the sequel was just so dumb and over-the-top. And...er...I really didn't like the score. It was one of the first movie scores that I negatively noticed.

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    posted 04-19-2000 06:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Marian,
    You have got to get KRULL!
    If you can't find it, give me a month or so and I'll send you a CDR!!...Honest!!!
    (I have a few PC problems at the moment....So NO cd writer)
    Damn it I had better make that 'Antartica' Too!
    dex,
    Wish I could help you out!, I didn't record any of the Sharpe series, Besides which U.K. format is different to U.S.!

    Both formats VHS too?!....What's wrong with these people!!

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    posted 04-19-2000 06:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, I did feel that the score for "Patriot Games" was extremely pore, one of James Horner's worst. I found the movie, however, an incredible suspense-thriller with terrific performances by all involved. If I had to rank the three Jack Ryan films in order, it'd probably be:

    1. "Patriot Games"
    2. "Clear and Present Danger"
    3. "The Hunt For Red October"

    But I like them all (though think Ford makes a better Ryan than Baldwin), but I'm knocking you for dissing "Patriot Games." I think it's still one of Ford's best.

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    posted 04-19-2000 06:24 PM PT (US)     

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    I think it would be particularly fascinating to see how James Horner puts together a trilogy like this--to see how themes develop over the course of the ring descent/redemption. I'm eager to hear it.

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    posted 04-19-2000 06:48 PM PT (US)     

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    Just one problem ... Horner doesn't develop themes, he just plays them at varying dynamics.

    Seriously, Horner can paint one helluva a pretty picture when he puts his mind to it, but I have yet to hear him really get musically INSIDE the emotional and intellectual core of a picture the way someone like Williams or Goldsmith can. Frankly, LOTR NEEDS a score of that caliber. Kilar seems to be qualified, but it's one heckuva challenge. He must be scared as hell ... this is the kind of score that can make or break a career.

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    posted 04-19-2000 09:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Marian, I did see the old LORD OF THE RINGS, several times. Own both versions of the LP (picture disc AND non-picture disc). And the gorgeous Intrada CD improvement, it's like hearing a whole other score. I'd be curious to see it again now, I haven't in ten years or more.

    I always liked the Rankin-Bass cartoon versions of THE HOBBIT and RETURN OF THE KING (I don't even know how they managed to wrest the rights from Saul Zaentz.)

    Now, to the new version: Epic fantasy does seem to bring out the best in Horner, but he's been so unpredictable in recent years that I would not really want to see him on this project. I thought Kilar was a more INTERESTING choice, but I've no clue if he can pull it off either ... I bet Elfman would do an interesting job, but there are always other competitors. As I said when this whole thing arose about two years ago, I wrote, "Why not give a new guy a chance?" This would be an amazing chance for a younger talent to really show his stuff.

    (Remember the songs in RETURN OF THE KING? "Where there's a whip, there's a way!")

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    posted 04-19-2000 09:56 PM PT (US)     

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    "we may even get a new Celine Dion song out of it!" AAHHHHHHHHHHHH! Let's not make this worse than it seems! Please, please... no soft pop tunes over the end credits of this one... please! (Nothing against Celine Dion... but THE LORD OF THE RINGS? Ack!)

    Marian, KRULL was called KRULL in German, it's a movie from the early 1980's, and I agree that it is among Horner's best works. He wrote it in the same year he did BRAINSTORM and GORKY PARK, all very strong scores IMO. Yeah... those were the days. Anyway, there were several releases of the soundtrack, the best of which was a limited complete 2CD edition of the score (only available here, I think: http://www.supercollector.com/ ).

    dex: Without any real spoilers: Boromir's character is ambiguos.

    Wedge: Well, Kilar's career spans across four decades now... I think he will be on safe ground even IF LOTR should turn out to be a real stinker. He would still be my number one choice for the project.

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    (Wow, I'd never have thought that this score would see such a fine release! Who-Hoo!)

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    posted 04-20-2000 02:35 AM PT (US)     

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    Horner? Great, lets see how much of Willow he'd re-use.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 04-20-2000 05:05 AM PT (US)     

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    The problem is that he won't re-use Willow and Krull. It will probably be closer to Braveheart and Titanic. A shame, as I enjoyed his earlier stuff much better!

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    posted 04-20-2000 07:31 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Timmer:
    Marian,
    You have got to get KRULL!
    If you can't find it, give me a month or so and I'll send you a CDR!!...Honest!!!
    (I have a few PC problems at the moment....So NO cd writer)
    Damn it I had better make that 'Antartica' Too!

    Hm, I don't have any experience with private international CD shippings, but that would be great. I was looking for Antartica today, but didn't find it ('twas a store that generally has only a small classic section).

    quote:
    Seriously, Horner can paint one helluva a pretty picture when he puts his mind to it, but I have yet to hear him really get musically INSIDE the emotional and intellectual core of a picture the way someone like Williams or Goldsmith can. Frankly, LOTR NEEDS a score of that caliber. Kilar seems to be qualified, but it's one heckuva challenge. He must be scared as hell ... this is the kind of score that can make or break a career.

    Completely right. That's what I tried to say above.

    NP: Watching Willow. Well, not really, I missed the beginning. They repeat it tomorrow, so I'll watch it then. At the moment, I just have it playing in the background. Not much music so far, though.

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    posted 04-20-2000 12:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Timmer: Correction! I just saw that Krull is still available at Super Collector. So maybe I'm even honest enough to buy the original from them. I should like to hear some of it first, though. But thanks for the offer!

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    posted 04-20-2000 12:52 PM PT (US)     

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    dex: You should read the books. Before you see the film. Ok, maybe it will take away some "surprises" - but the books are the best I've ever read, and even if the film will be great, it won't come close. So I think it's better to have the "surprises" in their original form. I swear, you won't regret it. I've read it about 8 times so far (I'm only 21!), and will do so again before the movie is released. I'd recommend that you read The Hobbit first, because it's the "prequel" to LOTR.

    NP: Willow running on TV in the background. Missed the beginning, so I'll watch it tomorrow when they repeat it. Just playing it for the music now, but there wasn't much so far.

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    posted 04-20-2000 12:56 PM PT (US)     

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    Why shouldn't Horner score LOTR?

    Hmmmm...."Krull" was years and years and years ago. And, IMO, not a great score. Loud, yes. Flowery, yes. Full of action, yes. This was in his Jerry Goldsmith period!

    But since "Krull" he has had much bigger fish to fry...and what did we get???

    Apollo 13 -- disappointing, with touches of everyone under the sun who ever composed music.

    Braveheart -- Celtic noodlings, barely memorable and tedious.

    Titanic -- ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

    And you guys want him to RUIN LOTR??????

    Gimme a break!


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    posted 04-20-2000 01:30 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm with Ruger -- the Horner who wrote KRULL is long gone now. WILLOW actually represents one of his earliest scores that shows the beginning of the transition to the guy who now churns out interchangeable easy-listening stuff like LEGENDS OF THE FALL. At the time, though, I felt WILLOW was his best score.

    If it were Horner on LOTR, we'd be lucky if it sounded as good as BALTO (probably my favorite of his from the past five years, but really NOT the kind of sound I think these pictures are going to want.) It would probably wind up sounding more of a PAGEMASTER/BICENTENNIAL MAN mishmash.

    I'm not sure Kilar is the man or not, based on the few works of his I've heard -- all very dark and brooding, as was the original Rosenman score, so perhaps that's appropriate. But it would almost surely be more interesting than what Horner would likely conjure.

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    posted 04-20-2000 01:33 PM PT (US)     

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    "KRULL" is indeed one of the greatest scores ever writen. I think it would sound unbelievable to someone who just started to collect film scores that it was composed by James Horner.
    If "Lord of the Rings" was going to be made on the 80's, Horner would be a nice choice. But now... Geez! It just makes me sick to imagine he using all his usual old stuff over and over again... it would be really embarrasing!

    Killar's the right choice for LOTR. Anyone who knows a little about his incredible filmography will agree with that.

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    posted 04-20-2000 02:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    I'm not sure Kilar is the man or not, based on the few works of his I've heard -- all very dark and brooding, as was the original Rosenman score, so perhaps that's appropriate.

    The "problem" with Rosenman's score: It's mostly dark. Of course, a LOTR score has to be extremely dark - but it also needs many light moments. Dark as the story may be, that's not the most important aspect of the story. Don't get me wrong: I adore Rosenman's score. It is perfect - for the film it was written for. And that film (while I like it very much) is NOT a good LOTR film.

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    posted 04-20-2000 04:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Your H'ness and Andre,
    Spot on lads!,Couldn't have said it better!

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    posted 04-20-2000 08:11 PM PT (US)     

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    aw, thanks for the props, Timchanter.

    Marian: I think what I was trying to get at was, I've never HEARD Kilar do anything light. I know very little of his music -- DRACULA, a couple of Themes collections, that awesomely oppressive Holocaust-related classical piece that was used in some of the SCHINDLER'S LIST trailers -- he's no amateur, no doubt he has lighter pieces in his resume. No composer worth his chops doesn't have both, but when Kilar seems to be going for a lighter sound, it's STILL damned heavy. This may be perfect for the world Peter Jackson and Frances Walsh will try to portray; it's not for me to say. If it was between him and Horner, I'd pick Kilar in a flash.

    Here's an offbeat suggestion, but I've been wondering about what ELSE she can do ever since she bailed out of MULAN: What about Rachel Portman? She writes wonderful melodies (if they're all kind of interchangeable at this point, but maybe it's a phase) and I'd be very curious to hear her try her hand at action.

    NP: "Concerto No. 2 for Violin and Orchestra" (Akira Ifukube, 1978, this version conducted by the late Yasushi Akutagawa, whom you might know as the composer for the original VILLAGE OF 8 GRAVESTONES, which Varese released in the US)

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    posted 04-20-2000 08:29 PM PT (US)     

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    If Horner scores it I wouldn't go see the movie.

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    posted 04-20-2000 08:44 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    I think what I was trying to get at was, I've never HEARD Kilar do anything light. I know very little of his music -- DRACULA, a couple of Themes collections, that awesomely oppressive Holocaust-related classical piece that was used in some of the SCHINDLER'S LIST trailers -- he's no amateur, no doubt he has lighter pieces in his resume. No composer worth his chops doesn't have both, but when Kilar seems to be going for a lighter sound, it's STILL damned heavy.

    I know even less of Kilar's works than you - I have his Dracula and Ninth Gate, and I've heard Death and the Maiden in the film. So I know exactly what you mean: He's a very talented composer, but I don't yet know his "light side", so I can't be sure that he's perfect for this movie.

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    This may be perfect for the world Peter Jackson and Frances Walsh will try to portray; it's not for me to say. If it was between him and Horner, I'd pick Kilar in a flash.

    I hope they do NOT base the films solely on the "dark side" of the original story. That would really mean abandoning the story's "soul".

    But between Horner and Kilar, I'd also pick Kilar instantly.

    I've only catched parts of Willow on TV. The score was really good from what I've heard, but you just can't compare this movie with LOTR. It's completely different. And while I liked the score and will probably pick it up if I come across it, it got me thinking for 15 minutes until I knew where that short phrase from the chariot chase is from: One of Robert Schumann's symphonies. Believe me, I really don't try to add yet another rip-off to Horner's list, but what can I do if he DOES make them?

    NP: Dead Again (Doyle; very good)

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    posted 04-21-2000 09:14 AM PT (US)     

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    Try "Portrait of a Lady" which altough heavy, features some very beautiful moments of pure music magic.

    Kilar's the man.

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    posted 04-21-2000 09:18 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm impressed you caught that Schumann riff on the first listen, Marian! The theme from Willow is indeed derived from Schumann's 4th Symphony (his best, I might add.) Horner speeds it up and changes the ending and does some other stuff Schumann doesn't do ... so at least we can call this a "derivation."

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    posted 04-21-2000 09:21 AM PT (US)     

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    I love Schumann's symphonies, and they are very "hummable", so it very soon struck me as something I know. Two years or so ago, I came upon a very cheap 2CD set of all 4 Schumann symphonies when in fact looking for his Piano Concerto, and it turned out to be a great recording by Christoph von Dohnány and the Cleveland Symphony Orchestra.

    Still, Horner's score is quite beautiful. Just a shame that I can't really praise him for it now.

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