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    Topic:   "U-571" - A QUICK REVIEW

     Jeron
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    Alright guys... I'm tired so I'm going to make this short and sweet. I just got back from the screener... and all I have to say is WOW. This is genuinely a GREAT movie. The performances are spectacular and the storyline and action on-screen is VERY intense.

    Now, on to Richard Marvin's score. I sincerely hope this gets a release. This score marks the debut of a great talent! I can't remember if this is accurate, but isn't Marvin one of Poledouris' orchestrators? Don't let this fact give you any preconcieved notions. His style is not simliar to Poledouris... and I'm having a hard time comparing it to anyone else's style. It's nothing groundbreaking or unusual - thought the music is utterly explosive. With a huge, lush orchestral performance, Marvin has composed an AWESOME patriotic/heroic suspense score that will surely become a favorite to many. The main theme is VERY uplifting and EXTREMELY effective in the picture - and adds that certain "magic" we all hoped it would.

    Definitely see the film. It's an intense ride and the score definitely plays out the thrills!

    Jeron

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    posted 04-17-2000 10:09 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I think Marvin orchestrated for Poledouris, who also scored the same director Jonathan Mostow's BREAKDOWN, and it was Basil who recommended Marvin. You gotta have friends!

    The one TV commercial I saw for this movie (I haven't seen the theatrical trailer) had the flavor of "We dare you to come see this ridiculous bomb" -- I really COULDN'T believe how ineptly cut it was -- but Mostow's BREAKDOWN was reasonably intelligent, and I love the whole setup, however, so I'll be right there in line on day one, just as I was for CRIMSON TIDE. It's weird to me when the marketing departments almost seem to TRY to kill something that should be an easy sell ... anyway, I'm sure it'll open huge.

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    posted 04-17-2000 11:56 PM PT (US)     

     Bel366
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    I have to agree with H Rocco, I want to see this, no thanks to the advertising ("...DANGER RUNS DEEP!!!!!!!!!...").

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    posted 04-18-2000 03:47 AM PT (US)     

     PeterD
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    Just thought I'd bring this topic up again to mention that this Saturday (April 22) at 9 p.m. Eastern time, the History Channel is showing an hour-long program, "History or Hollywood: U-571," in which historians and military experts debate the merits of the movie. (It's repeated at 1 a.m.)

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    posted 04-20-2000 02:07 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I don't have cable ... but maybe that's just as well. Between that and the net, I'd probably NEVER NEVER NEVER leave the house at all. Except to get away from it, that is.

    (If it sounds weird to you that I don't have cable, you must consider that in Brooklyn it's only been physically AVAILABLE for just a few years now.)

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    posted 04-20-2000 02:14 PM PT (US)     

     BMUSTANG
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    Rocco, I sympathize with you. It is kind of hard to do without cable, if you have had it and had to get rid of it (financial problems, usually) then get it again. But it is probably not too hard if you have never had it at all. Let's all hope they make a FULL score for this movie. I will be seing it (hopefully) Sunday

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    posted 04-20-2000 05:00 PM PT (US)     

     starblade
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    I screened it last night at my theatre. Well done picture. Had me gripping the seat in front of me waiting for the depth charges. I agree with Jeron, I hope this score gets a release. It'd be a shame to not show what this guy can do.

    As far as historians and experts debating the merits; I say, BAH! to them. It's just a movie, people. It's not intended to represent what 'actually' happened. Geez, why is everything torn asunder just because it's 'not what really happened'.

    Anyway, I was shocked to see Dino De Laurentiis' name on the picture. I usually associate his name with duds.

    But I give it Thumbs Up!


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    posted 04-21-2000 05:13 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    anyone seen the remastered DAS BOOT?

    that and CRIMSON TIDE are the sub movies.

    but, Im gonna see u-571 anyway in the hopes that I can add a third to that list, despite Roger Ebert's harsh review.

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    posted 04-21-2000 05:30 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    By Crimson Tide, I of course meant to say Hunt for Red October.

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    posted 04-21-2000 07:17 AM PT (US)     

     Dr.Evil
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    Ah, that movie with Jon Bon Jovi! Cool!

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    posted 04-21-2000 07:53 PM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    I've heard this has one of the most intense and brilliant sound mixes. I'm dying to see it for that alone! hahaha

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 04-22-2000 05:17 AM PT (US)     

     sakman
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    This is a good popcorn movie and fun to watch. It's not "Das Boot" nor is it "Hunt for Red October", but I don't think it intends to be. It reminded me somewhat of "The Caine Mutiny".

    The score is pretty good, it seemed a mix of Hanz Zimmer and John Williams, and the main theme sounded at times a lot like "Hymn for the Fallen". In fact, the harmonic progressions that underpin the main theme are exactly akin to the Williams piece. One could argue it just sounds like many other good war film scores.

    I have never been impressed with McConaughey as an actor but he does a fair job. For me the German sub captain had more presence than he did, and Keitel has a part that he can walk through.

    Given that, the film does have moments that are tense and for a film that is PG-13 does a great job of telling a story minus a lot of senseless profanity for a change.

    I'd say check it out. And let's hope that Richard Marvin gets moved up the list to hear more of this talent.

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    posted 04-23-2000 06:19 AM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    I saw this piece of filth the other day, and even though I'm not really here (my computer's in the shop for a while, but I'm at my girlfriend's house), I HAD to write in with my shock that nobody else on this board noticed that U-571's score was the worst Goldsmith rip-off since Horner's early days. Come on guys! It's the Air Force One score, poorly reconstructed in that there is no discernable theme whatsoever (that's one problem with writing to the temp track) I'm not crazy! Put your ears on! Damnit!

    Shaun


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    posted 04-23-2000 01:34 PM PT (US)     

     Andrew Drannon
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    Thank you Shaun! I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't stand this score!

    I thought the movie was really good - one of the most suspenseful to come out in a while.

    Unfortunately, it was marred by the gratuitously patriotic score with a theme that personifies the mediocrity present in so much of today's film music. A few of the dissonant tension moments worked well, adding a lot to the suspense, but I wanted to leave whenever that awful, manipulative, and derivative theme appeared. In fact, I actually left during the end credits, which I haven't done in ages. Better luck next time, Richard Marvin. Granted, this kind of theme is probably what the director was looking for, but that doesn't mean I have to like it!

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    posted 04-23-2000 02:32 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Geeesh guys, could we be any more critical? Yeah Shaun, I heard the Air Force One references, and that's one reason I LIKE the score. You know, Goldsmith could go at any time. I hope to God that he is blessed to live and score films until he's 1000 years old, but hey... it's not gonna happen. I'm happy there are folks that CAN sound similar to Goldsmith, so that I can continue to enjoy new music like U-571. I consider scores like these to be more of a tribute to Goldsmith than a rip off. Wouldn't you be flattered if someone did the same thing? It's been said that THAT is the highest form of flattery.

    From what I can tell, Richard Marvin did a great job scoring this film... especially for someone new to scoring. Andrew, I respect your opinion on the film itself... but Shaun? Geesh... the score served the film well - and regardless of the AFO references, it was original and fun to listen to.

    Why is it that so many people like you go to films and try and find every single BAD THING they can? This frustrates me so much in the fact that sure, you may not like the film... but hey, there's an entire crew out there that worked hard to put the movie together - and I'm pretty sure they are proud of the job they did. I respect every single one of the talents out there, including Richard Marvin's... simply because they are out their making movies and scoring films - and look who's not! You, nor me.

    Looking for the BAD THINGS in the things we enjoy only spells one thing - misery. Or at least, I know I'd be miserable. I'm certainly glad that I can go see a movie and enjoy it simply for the fact that it's a person's expression of a story. Sure, I might disagree w/ how it was told, how the scenes were shot, how the music fit some scenes, etc... but I'd never call anything that is honestly trying to be good, filth.

    Andrew, I can respect your comments...
    Shaun, I'm disappointed in you.

    Jeron

    [This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 23 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-23-2000 03:24 PM PT (US)     

     Andrew Drannon
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    Thanks for your comments, Jeron - I'm glad we can disagree without diving into flame wars.

    Cool - this is my 31st post! I'm a Member now!

    [This message has been edited by Andrew Drannon (edited 23 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-23-2000 04:48 PM PT (US)     

     HAL 2000
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    I have to agree with some of the less complimentary responses. I thought this was a good movie hamstrung by a banal score. And yes, I'd bet all your money that is was temp tracked with AFO. The main theme... and I also picked up hints of The Hijacking.

    I'm not knocking Richard Marvin's talent because I think he was a victim of temp track infatuation. What hurt this movie is the heavy handed patriotism of the score. It was out of place (because the tone of the film was hardly patriotic) and subverted several key scenes. When U-571 sinks for example. And there was too much music in this picture. I found myself getting distracted everytime the score cut in. A good movie with an all-wrong score.

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    posted 04-24-2000 05:44 AM PT (US)     

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    Air Force One..thanks SR! I knew it was something that I had heard.

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    posted 04-24-2000 07:02 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HAL 2000:
    What hurt this movie is the heavy handed patriotism of the score.

    Hahahaha!!

    The movie is about a small group of sailors willing to sacrifice their lives to say America? What kinda score do you want? This had to have a patriotic score. It was an extremely patriotic movie.

    I loved this movie for so many reasons, one of which being it wasn't afraid to be patriotic in this time of liberal corruption. Just like THE POSTMAN. Both movies are bashed by the critics because they show characters fighting for what they believe in, the very country they came from.

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    posted 05-22-2000 10:11 AM PT (US)     

     Hard Target
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    I won't judge or say that Richard Marvin's score or the film since I haven't seen it yet. At least until I get the promotional video of it then I'll make a call on it. I can understand you guys raving bout it and so fourth and that's all good. But don't knock a guy for composing his score based on a temp track because it's been done before and this practice will continue as long as directors continue to fall in love with the film's temp track. (i.e. Alien, Soldier, Virus, etc.) And this is what younger, unestablished composers like Richard Marvin will continually have to deal with until they really establish a musical voice of their own. For now I think you should cut these guys a little slack and enjoy the music because you wanna hear it.

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    posted 05-22-2000 09:31 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Can't remember a note of the score; I wasn't impressed, obviously. But I liked the movie immensely. I thought it had some real character to it, WAY better than director Jonathan Mostow's previous, overrated BREAKDOWN. And now that I think of it, it was a good enough picture that the right composer might have written a really GREAT score. In my estimation, Marvin fell way short of that.

    "Patriotic" scores ... I think U-571 the MOVIE had some shades of grey in it, it might have done well with something more ambiguous in the music, but unless or until I see it again, I won't comment further. Funny how this works -- the preposterous BATTLEFIELD EARTH had a nice Elia Cmiral score that I WOULD buy for the right price; the frequently thrilling U-571 (MUCH better than CRIMSON TIDE, by the way) has a score that didn't impact on me in the least.

    NP: BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES (I keep saying this at other threads, but I'm blown away at how little of this score I appreciated when I watched the movie, and I've seen it a million times) (okay, a QUARTER of a million times) (the bonus rerecorded LP cues just make it all the more fun -- catch that funky drumbeat behind the Ape March!)

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    posted 05-23-2000 01:08 AM PT (US)     

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    BREAKDOWN was "overrated?" I felt it was (and still is) incrediblely underrated. It had an air-tight script, an all-too-believable situation, and Kurt Russell's best performance to date. I hope that in a few years, people will find it for the great film that it is.

    Though I thought the performances in U-571 were just as good.

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    posted 05-23-2000 05:06 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Figured I'd resurrect this old post for nostalgic purposes (note who posted last!). Just got the U-571 cd (finally). I'm VERY happy with it (so far)... of course, as Tim and Joe would say, when ever am I *not* happy with a cd? I'll post my official thoughts after I've listened to it a good 2-3 times. So far, it's a definite winner!

    A Very Happy Jeron

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    posted 07-27-2000 04:53 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Thanks for bringing this thread back, Jeron. I guess I have to start ridiculing you about this again.

    Shaun

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    posted 07-27-2000 05:11 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Shaun, please do! Bring it on, bubba!

    Jeron

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    posted 07-27-2000 05:19 PM PT (US)     
     

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