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    Topic:   favorite western scores?

     dex
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    What are some of your favorite western scores? I really like "Quigley, Down Under," "The Magnificent Seven," and "Wyatt Earp." Actually, those are the only western ones I have. Any suggestions for others?

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    posted 04-16-2000 01:09 AM PT (US)     

     Matthew
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    The western scores I own:

    Bruce Broughton
    TOMBSTONE
    SILVERADO

    Alan Silvestri
    THE QUICK AND THE DEAD
    YOUNG GUNS 2

    Basil Poledouris
    LONESOME DOVE
    QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER

    Jerry Goldsmith
    BAD GIRLS
    100 RIFLES
    RIO CONCHOS
    WILD ROVERS
    TAKE A HARD RIDE

    Ennio Morricone
    THE GOOD,THE BAD AND THE UGLY
    ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
    A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS

    Elmer Bernstein
    THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN
    RETURN OF THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN

    James Newton Howard
    WYATT EARP

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    posted 04-16-2000 01:57 AM PT (US)     

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    All good choices!, But no mention of THE BEST of them all?!.....

    Jerome Moross The Big Country!!

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    posted 04-16-2000 04:16 AM PT (US)     

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    I have the following:

    Broughton:
    Tombstone

    Newman!
    How the West Was Won

    Bernstein:
    The Magnificent Se7en
    The Comancheros
    The Hallelujah Trail

    Poledouris:
    Quigley Down Under
    Lonesome Dove

    Goldsmith:
    100 Rifles
    Fake a Hard Ride
    Rio Conchos
    Bad Girls

    Holdridge:
    Old Gringo

    Barry:
    Dances With Wolves
    Monte Walshp

    Burwell:
    The Hi-Lo Country

    Danna:
    Ride With the Devil

    so, as you can see, choosing one as my favorite is quite challenging.
    though, I really should get Big Country

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    posted 04-16-2000 06:20 AM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    I was just listening to Williams' THE COWBOYS last night. Pretty good score. Also, Tiomkin's HIGH NOON and THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY are highly recommended.

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    posted 04-16-2000 06:38 AM PT (US)     

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    THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY is one of my all-time favorites, but it's not a western, unless you consider that the entire drama takes place west of California.

    Marc

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    posted 04-16-2000 07:15 AM PT (US)     

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    Most of my favorites have already been listed above. Also enjoy the following:

    Wild Rovers, Stagecoach, Hour of the Gun, and Lonely Are The Brave by Goldsmith.
    Sons of Katie Elder Bernstein
    The Professionals Jarre
    Wild Bunch Fielding
    High Plains Drifter Barton
    Buffalo Girls Holdridge
    Ride the High Country is a wonderful movie and has a great score by L. Bassman


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    posted 04-16-2000 07:49 AM PT (US)     

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    Wild Wild West? Nah, just kidding!

    NP Animal Crackers (Armageddon)

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    posted 04-16-2000 08:43 AM PT (US)     

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    In my opinion, Mag 7 is the end all and be all of Western Scores, in other words, the best!

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:21 AM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    Well, I agree with most everyone. Here's a few of mine..

    The Cowboys
    The Magnificent Seven
    Quigley Down under
    Silverado
    And actually.... City Slickers

    Kevin

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:26 AM PT (US)     

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    I'll choose some good eurowestern scores since you have mentioned almost everything!
    IL GRANDE SILENZIO/Morricone
    100.000$ PER UN GRINGO/Nicolai
    L'UOMO L'ORGOGLIO LA VENDETTA/Rustichelli
    7 DOLLARI SUL ROSSO/DeMasi
    If you find any of these don't let the chance to buy it.

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:51 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh and another thing.
    Have you ever heard Jerry Fielding's THE LAWMAN?It is a masterpiece!!!

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:53 AM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    Originally posted by Marc Flake:
    "THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY is one of my all-time favorites, but it's not a western, unless you consider that the entire drama takes place west of California."

    Marc, your right! What was I thinking! I guess sometimes I just clump those Tiomkin scores together, regardless of their actual genre. Still, a great score!



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    posted 04-16-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)     

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    100 RIFLES isn't a Western score in the classical sense, but as a score for a movie that happens to be a Western, that's easily my favorite. WILD ROVERS and BANDOLERO are a bit more "traditional," and have gorgeous themes. EXTREME PREJUDICE is a fascinating score for a movie that's basically a Western in disguise. Ditto that observation for the ORIGINAL MAGNIFICENT SEVEN: the Japanese SEVEN SAMURAI (music by Fumio Hayasaka) and YOJIMBO (music by Masaru Sato).

    TOMBSTONE is a knockout. SILVERADO is tremendous. (I was surprised when that one got an Oscar nomination, since Broughton was mainly known for television then, and the Nominating Boarders can be such snots.)

    Morricone's Western scores are far from "traditional," but that's part of what makes them great.

    I adore Williams' THE COWBOYS.

    Moross's THE BIG COUNTRY is one of the most indelible of all classically-styled Western themes.

    Does anyone have the old LP of Herrmann's Western themes for television? I never got around to buying it. Is there a CD?


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    posted 04-16-2000 12:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Obviously there are many great westerns listed so far. A couple of contemporary westerns I would add to the mix are...
    1) True Women (Broughton)
    2) Frank And Jesse (McKenzie)

    For an absolute must have western score, make sure you get yourself a copy of Lonesome Dove by Poledouris.
    _Sc

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    posted 04-16-2000 01:29 PM PT (US)     

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    The Greek,

    Yes! Jerry Fielding did some suberb western scores. Apart from Lawman, there's Chato's Land and The Outlaw Josey Wales. And how can we forget The Wild Bunch? Some of these were kind of borderline westerns, and very nihilistic, so they didn't quite call for that expansive Copland/ Bernstein/ Moross sound, and the idiosyncratic Fielding was just the man for the job.

    Love all those other scores too, along with the Goldsmiths, the Morricones etc.

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    posted 04-16-2000 01:40 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't know many, but still:

    • The Cowboys - Only 2 people mentioned it so far? It's one of his best! In fact, the americana stuff in Superman sounds TOO similar for my tastes (but I still like it, 'cause I love Cowboys).
    • The Magnificient Seven - of course.
    • Morricone's first two Dollars scores, some parts of the 3rd one, and parts of Once Upon a Time in the West

    Shame on me, I still haven't heard Goldsmith's western scores. I hestitate a bit to spend all the money on the FSM CDs, not knowing the score (the audio clips on their homepage are not enough for me to be sure).

    I also loved Bernstein's Hallelujah Trail when I saw the movie, and I love the suite on Sedaris' Mag7 CD. Is the Tsunami CD (a boot, I think) worth getting?

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    posted 04-16-2000 02:23 PM PT (US)     

     Rang
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    H Rocco, your mentioning EXTREME PREJUDICE made me think of another Goldsmith "western" or "Sci-fi western" score: OUTLAND.

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    posted 04-16-2000 04:49 PM PT (US)     

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    I'd just add Tiomkin's "Red River," Bernstein's "The Scalphunters," Moross's "Valley of Gwangi" (a Ray Harryhausen western), and Herrmann's "Garden of Evil."

    H Rocco, in answer to your question, I've got the Herrmann TV westerns LP, but haven't listened to it for years. Don't know if there was a CD. Has some nice stuff on it, but for Herrmann western music, I much prefer the aforementioned "Garden of Evil."

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    posted 04-16-2000 07:47 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm very fond of the following:

    The Cowboys
    The Big Country
    Once Upon a Time in the West
    The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    The Magnificent Seven
    Shane
    The Searchers

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:35 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    OUTLAND, yes, the barely disguised remake of HIGH NOON. Script credited to Peter Hyams, but I know a guy who said HE wrote the original version, and HIGH NOON wasn't at all what he had in mind. (shrug) perhaps Hyams ditched the other guy's script in toto, I never read it.

    (Strange that the biggest and best cue in the film, Connery's final punch-out of Peter Boyle, is the SECOND cue on the album, LP and CD both. Until the last few years, Goldsmith didn't structure his albums in chronological order. I can't decide which way I like better.)

    Scorro was ENTIRELY correct in mentioning one that I TOTALLY forgot, although I've mentioned it before: Mark McKenzie's amazing FRANK & JESSE. Issued by Intrada, that was one I bought from them for just 99 cents. I think they're charging a bit more for it nowadays, but it's a beautiful score.

    I'd add another Intrada cheapo (if it's still cheapo, but at the time it also went for ninety-nine), THE BALLAD OF LITTLE JO by David Mansfield. His first film score was HEAVEN'S GATE, in which he also appears as a fiddler-player.

    (Mansfield has his own web site, or used to, I haven't been there in years.)

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:49 PM PT (US)     

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    Has everyone forgotten Back to the Future 3?

    NP M:I-2 Trailer mp3

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    posted 04-17-2000 02:59 AM PT (US)     

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    I'd like to add the choral cue underscoring the black preacher "Sparks" in the great The Ox-Bow Incident.

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    posted 04-17-2000 12:37 PM PT (US)     

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    One of my favorite western scores that never came out on cd is DOLLAR FOR THE DEAD by Gerorge S. Clinton.

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    posted 04-17-2000 02:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Two more to add to the above list.

    F. Waxman's Cimarron. One of the loveliest melodies ever written for a western.

    Rough Riders by Peter Bernstein with G Troup theme by Elmer. I can listend to the WHOLE score and enjoy it all.

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    posted 04-17-2000 09:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Glad to see Jerry Fielding's THE WILD BUNCH mentioned, because it is clearly one of the seminal works in the genre. But the western has always been a genre for good music. Practically everything by Bernstein, Morricone, or Goldsmith in this genre is worth listening to, not to mention the many sidesteppers, like Jerome Moross, whose THE BIG COUNTRY is justly regarded as one of THE classics in the genre. Also worthy of mentioning: Leonard Rosenmans's A MAN CALLED HORSE.

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    posted 04-18-2000 01:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok Joan, you inspired me to voice my opinion about Rough Riders. I absolutely fell in love with this score the first time I heard it. I think Peter has done an excellent job capturing the feel of the movie with this one. I, like you, love the entire score.

    Other Western Scores I really like are;

    The Big Country by Moross
    Cowboys by Williams
    Wyatt Earp by Howard

    Audacity
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    posted 04-18-2000 03:06 PM PT (US)     

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    NP: LONE WOLF McQUADE by Francesco DeMasi

    One of the best and, probably, also one of the last of the spaghetti-western-styled scores of the 1980s. I was tickled and gratified to hear Morricone go back to that style for U-TURN in 1998, though.

    (This version of LONE WOLF being the expanded CD, runs about an hour, from Colosseum; can't think if their American cousin Varese released one too)

    (Love that harmonica)

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    posted 04-18-2000 08:23 PM PT (US)     

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    THE BIG COUNTRY!!!!!!!

    You all have to have this score if you do not already... it's not enough just to have the theme on a compilation!

    PeterD!

    Finally, someone else who knows Valley of Gwangi! Cowboys and dinosaurs, together at last! Moross did such a fabulous job with that score. I love how he was able to combine his own western style with Bernard Herrmann's Harryhausen style. One wouldn't think they'd go together so well.

    James

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    posted 04-18-2000 08:50 PM PT (US)     

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    I have many western favorites
    but I would like to quote my first favorite score,that's the one that when I was a kid
    open my year to western music.
    I'm talking about SHANE,the Victor Young score.
    That one have a special place in my hart.
    Perhaps because the first time You do something is always a special moment.
    but I'm 38 now and I'm still enyoying.

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    posted 04-18-2000 11:30 PM PT (US)     

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    This is in response to Marcelo's post.

    "Shane" was my first score too. My parents took me to see the film when I was little and I love that film and score! I still have the 45 that my parents bought me.

    When I was visiting the Grand Teton National Park, a few years ago, I found that the cabin they built for "Shane" is still there.

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    posted 04-19-2000 06:27 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Hmmm ... I wonder about this. Joan earlier made the suggestion that a lot of soundtrack fans were also fantasy-movie fans; now I wonder, since so far we know Joan, dex and Sharol are Western score fans ... I wonder, are more women attracted to Western scores than they are other types of scores? I really wonder. We already know that more guys are attracted to scores for movies with Sandra Bullock in them (we KNOW that in the case of dantoris, and hey, I like her too)

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:33 PM PT (US)     

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    I don’t know the answer, H R, to your questions about
    women being attracted to western scores. If one were to
    stereotype women’s preferences, he/she would say that women
    would like slow, romantic themes best should they even
    be attracted to filmscores. And I do love memorable, lovely,
    romantic melodies by composers like Barry. However, since
    it seems that few women are filmscoreholics or addicts, those that
    are would be rather special or unique, if I do say so myself. (Pardon
    the back patting ) Having an ear for filmscores I think would
    give us a propensity to also enjoy muscular, rousing, kick butt
    music found in western scores as well as other action flicks.
    I can be listening to Jane Eyre for a while, switch to Conan and
    Rambo II. Then its Out of Africa, Somewhere In Time, and The
    Big Country. Is this also “catholicity of taste,” in the other gender?
    (Or multiple personality disorder, or whacky chromosomes?)

    NP Just switch to Dying Young, a most lovely melody.

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    posted 04-19-2000 04:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Full of surprises,eh!,Your H'ness,
    david Carradine (Bad guy) V Chuck Norris (good guy)....Damn!!,I wouldn't have even remembered this if you hadn't mentioned it!
    I'm Not going into the details again (tea leafs in My place about 10 yrs ago!),I used to have deMasi's score on a 'That's Entertainment' release, And a well acomplished score it was too!!

    (tea leafs = Cockney slang for Theives!)

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    posted 04-19-2000 05:13 PM PT (US)     

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    To be honest with you, I haven't heard every single western score ever written, but I think that of all the ones I've heard, I REALLY think Take a Hard On (I mean Ride ) is my favorite!!!

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    posted 04-19-2000 05:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Western scores are great, but so far I haven't seen any mention of 2 CDs my family and I listen to regularly.

    They are compilations that combine movie Western music with real Western music and actual Western sounds. "Round Up" and "Round-up 2, Happy Trails", both by Eric Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra.

    "Round-up" starts out with a horse galloping around and whinnying, a fitting intro into the "Lone Ranger Theme."

    Next is the "Magnificent 7" and Franz Waxman's Furies Suite.

    Then there's an anthology of TV Western Themes: Bonanza, Rawhide, Wagon Train and The Rifleman (the last complete with the rapid-fire gunshots of the original).

    Next is a suite from "How the West was Won" and another of "Gunfight at the OK Corral"

    Then there's a suite of actual Western songs, followed by "The Big Country" and "High Noon."

    A coyote howls to bring on a medley of songs you might have heard around a cattle-drive campfire.

    The CD finishes with "Silverado."

    This is a very satisfying listening experience.

    HAPPY TRAILS begins with a cattle stampede (sounds great on the big stereo or on your earphones -- loses alot in the mommymobile).

    Then there's "The Sons of Katie Elder," "Ghost Riders in the Sky" (kinda corny at first, but it grows on you), "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly," "Duel in the Sun," "Giant," "The Green Leaves of Summer" from "The Alamo," "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," and "Johnny Guitar."

    Then there's a track called "The Cowboys from Sunset," followed by a recitation of "The Cowboy Code" by Gene Autry. Next is about 12 minutes of cowboy songs ending in a Saloon Brawl.

    Excerpts from "The Wild Bunch," "Lonesome Dove," and "Oklahoma Crude" follow.

    After the sound of a steam engine, the CD finishes with TV Western themes: "Maverick," "The Rebel," "Bat Masterson," "Gunsmoke," "Wyatt Earp," "Cheyenne," "The Big Valley," and "Have Gun Will Travel."

    Last, but not least, Roy Rogers and Dale Evans sing "Happy Trails to you."

    We're headed out on a trip on Friday, and I think you know which two CDs are going to be played first as we head west of Fort Worth.

    Marc


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    posted 04-19-2000 08:20 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Jim must be REALLY lonely ... just MENTION women and out comes the entendres ...

    Joan, I don't know quite what to think, since those few women on the board whose tastes I've been able to track, have had likes as various as any other score lover's. One might conjure a stereotype of what you'd expect a woman to like, but I know it doesn't apply, either with scores or movies (my mom loved CON AIR, for example, and was insistent I accompany her to THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT -- we both walked out at the end wondering "What was the big deal?") And I've made all manner of score tapes for her over the year, out of my own collection.

    It's just rare enough for several women to contribute to the same (relatively short) thread that I noticed it.

    NP: ABC's "Politically Incorrect" (a re-run! Worse, I've seen it. I don't think it's wise to re-run topical shows. Bill Maher's hair looks especially ridiculous tonight, if I was him I'd have demanded them to fix it digitally. This particular quartet of guests is especially stupid, except for the always entertaining Danny Bonaduce.)

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    posted 04-19-2000 09:19 PM PT (US)     

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    My favorite western scores are:

    Unforgiven (Lennie Niehaus)
    Tombstone (Bruce Broughton)
    Take A Hard Ride (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Bad Girls (Jerry Goldsmith)
    100 Rifles (Jerry Goldsmith)
    Young Guns 2 (Alan Silvestri)
    Back to the Future 3 (Alan Silvestri, the western squences)
    The Magnificent Seven (Elmer Bernstein)
    The Missiouri Breaks (John Williams)
    The Quick And The Dead (Alan Silvestri)
    Bite the Bullet (Alex North)
    The Outlaw Josey Wales (Jerry Fielding)

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    posted 04-19-2000 10:21 PM PT (US)     

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    I notice Boogeyman 2000’s post mentioning Dollar for the
    Dead, which was a western I hadn’t seen. So I rented it, and
    I’d like to second his recommendation for a CD of that score.
    George S. Clinton does a wonderful tribute to or impression of
    Morricone’s spaghetti westerns. There’s the singular trumpet,
    then the added men’s chorus, and the ever ubiquitous whistler.
    And there is even a soft, lilting theme at one point in the movie.

    After Lone Wolf McQuade I thought I’d never hear another
    Morricone sounding western until I saw this movie. Emilio
    Estevez is a little unbelievable as a Rambo cowboy, but the
    score is great fun. Come on record companies; produce this
    one.

    And Audacity, we need to get Peter Bernstein some MAJOR motion pictures to score. He's underrated.

    NP I'm listening to Take A Hard RIDE, but Lonely guy's score sounds more interesting.

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    posted 04-19-2000 10:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, I'm a big fan of ROUGH RIDERS, too, but isn't Peter B.'s main ROUGH RIDERS theme a pretty direct steal of one of Poledouris's main themes from LONESOME DOVE? If there's someone else out there who has both CDs, I'd appreciate it if you could either confirm this, or tell me I'm out of my mind . . .

    I think maybe the problem is that we're approaching a point where all the great western themes HAVE ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN. I mean, perhaps there's a finite number of ways in which musical notes can be arranged and still come out sounding like a western. Even the latest western scores by two masters of the genre -- Elmer Bernstein's "Wild, Wild West" and Goldsmith's "Bad Girls" -- seemed to me to be nowheres near the level of their previous efforts. Does anyone have any opinions on this hare-brained theory?

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