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    Topic:   CDR problems!!!!

     dantoris
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    Has anybody else had this problem? I was working on my Mummy DVD score today, and just 4 seconds into "Camel Race," the CDR stopped. It just stopped! For no reason. I hit no buttons and messed with nothing. It just stopped recording.

    Anybody have any idea why it would do this? This is the third time it's done it to me since I got it back in December.

    [This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 16 April 2000).]

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    posted 04-15-2000 03:48 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Do you have a standalone recorder or a computer CDR drive?

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    posted 04-15-2000 03:55 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    A stand-alone kind.

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    posted 04-15-2000 10:07 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Hey dantoris... I had *no* problems what-so-ever when making my copy... sounds like a pretty unique problem. That in itself definitely sucks.

    Jeron

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    posted 04-15-2000 10:22 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    All of my experince is with computer CD-R burners so this my not be correct. BUT...

    Once you rule out buffer under runs and flaws in the operating software,(which shouldn't apply to you) the next likely canidate are flaws in the blank media. Since a stand alone unit probably has no way of displaying diagnostic data or error messages it most likely response to a flaw in the media would be to simply stop.

    Power down the unit to reset the hardware. Then try with another blank. If that one fails, try a different brand of blank CD-R.

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    posted 04-16-2000 02:00 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Of course you've got a standalone-player, I should know that. Simply forgot it.

    Like MWRuger said, one possibility is a buffer underrun. But I doubt that a standalone recorder can have this kind of problems. Maybe it's really a media problem. For a long time, I was very satisfied with the rather cheap CDR's I used to buy. I bought them for at least a half year, and never had any problems. Suddenly, my burner got lots of calibration errors, which mostly are a hardware problem. I checked the burner on a different computer, and still the same problems. So in the end, I bought a new one (8x speed, hehehe). Again, it ruined every CDR. Then I tried a different brand. No problems ever since, I sold the old burner (which still works perfectly well) to a friend.

    Still, I'm glad I bought the new one, it's just soo much faster.

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    posted 04-16-2000 02:13 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    I think you guys need to invest in a very cheap ($15) CD lens cleaner (the kind with the little fiber brushes) and give it a spin in your CDR. You may be surprised at what a little spring cleaning can do around the house!

    PeterK

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    posted 04-16-2000 09:21 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I never tried it myself, but I have heard that lens cleaner sets can in fact harm the lens (at least if you use them too often). That applies to normal CD players, so if it's true, I think that the effect they have on CD writers could be devastating.

    NP: Symphony #9 (Gustav Mahler; Chicago Symphony Orchestra/Giulini)

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    posted 04-17-2000 06:24 AM PT (US)     

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    There are only two or three different companies that manufacture the actual media, then companies like Sony, Memorex, TDK...etc, just put their name on them. So I doubt it is a problem with the media. I have found more times than not that the actual problem is the software not the hardware. You might check to see if you can upgrade your current software to a later release code, or but better software altogether, it worked for me.

    Audacity

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    posted 04-17-2000 08:37 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    Hey Marian!

    is that the Giulini recording with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra made around 1977?

    If so, I have that, and it is an amazing performance of that Mahler symphony.

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    posted 04-17-2000 08:54 AM PT (US)     

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    Actually, the brand of CD-R can make a difference.

    Don't believe me? Consider this:

    The most vulnerable spot is not where the data is recorded, but the top side where you would write the title of the CD. This is one of the places where bad media comes from. If the top side layer is very thin, if will produce errors. Since every company does there own top side label, there can be very distinct differences between brands.

    Add to that the differences in the two types of heat sensitive dyes and adjustments to those formula’s that companies can and the differences mount. So even if there are only three manufacturers’ of CD-R’s there are differences between the actual media.

    Your right however, when you say it is generally a software problem. All of the following can cause the dreaded Buffer Underrun:

    Low Drive space (Generally due to too many internet temp files or having too small a drive)

    Badly fragmented drive. (Scandisk & Defrag)

    Corrupted DLL's ( A Re-install will generally fix this)

    TSR conflicts (Terminate Stay Resident programs running in the background still use valuable computer resources and can conflict with programs running in the foreground)

    Mult-Tasking (A real no-no when burning. No other software should be running. Be sure to disable screen savers or set to activate after an hour or more if inactivity)

    Copy Protection (Not yet a problem on audio CDs. Software upgrades can fix this)

    And while not a software problem, a dirty original can cause buffer underuns as well.

    But dantoris has a stand-alone recorder, so software is not the issue.

    As for a Lens Cleaner, Marian is right to warn caution.

    It is possible to damage the lens and in the last seven years that I have been using optical media, I have never cleaned the lens of a CD-Rom. Most of the time the dirt is on the CD, not the player.

    The only time cleaning might be required would be if you operate your equipment in a dusty environment. In that case, I recommend that you invest in Canned Air and blow excess dust from this system. If you find that it is still too dirty, take it to a professional PC/MAC repair person and let him run the risk of cleaning the lens. In addition to scratching the lens, when you disassemble a CD-Rom drive and begin tinkering, you run the risk of damaging the calibration arm/motor so extreme caution should be taken when in engaging in this procedure.


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    posted 04-17-2000 09:29 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Audacity:
    There are only two or three different companies that manufacture the actual media, then companies like Sony, Memorex, TDK...etc, just put their name on them.

    I think I've heard that there are about 10 different companies. If you have a PC burner, you can view the "ATIP information" of the media, which also tells you who manufactured it. And I am sure that I've had CDR's from more than 3 companies.

    Some companies distribute their own CDR's, and the rest buys them from other manufacturers. The problem is: If the distributor is NOT the manufacturer, it can happen that you never had problems with their media, then the next time you buy them the company has changed the manufacturer. That's probably what I had to deal with. I now buy Fuji CDR's, which never made me any problems so far and are also manufactured by Fuji.

    Don't know the situation with audio CDR's, though. At least in Germany and Europe, these media are significantly more expensive, as they need to have a special code so the standalone recorders accept them. Technically, they're the same, so there is no need to buy them if you're using a computer burner. But standalone players will not record on the "normal" PC CDR's.

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    Originally posted by JJH:
    is that the Giulini recording with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra made around 1977?

    If so, I have that, and it is an amazing performance of that Mahler symphony.


    Yes, it's from 1977. It's quite good, but Giulini seems to be a bit too slow for my tastes. I also heard a recording of Dvorak's 8th symphony by him, and that one was much slower than the wonderful Kubelik recording I later bought. My father also has a recording of Mahler's 9th by Maazel and the Wiener Philharmoniker, but that one is only on audio cassette, so I borrowed the Giulini version. Again: It's not bad. I just don't think it's THAT good. (Then again, I only heard it once so far, and that was while I was working, so I didn't listen very carefully).

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    posted 04-17-2000 11:16 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    CD LENS CLEANER. If you follow exactly what I've suggested, meaning a CD lens cleaner with fiber brushes, you will be just fine. I use one all the time. You can even do tests with your CD. Burn half the CD before cleaning, and then burn the second half after cleaning. Then take a look at the disc, you will see a noticeable difference in the quality of the burn. No need to take caution if you follow what I've suggested.

    PeterK


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    posted 04-17-2000 11:38 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I'd rather recommend looking that the burner doesn't get TOO dirty. I used my old one for 2 years, and the inside of my computer is full of dirt, but I never had any problems with burning CDs (except those that I mentioned above).

    Either it depends on the quality of the CD recorder, or it has to be extremely dirty to show malfunctions.

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    posted 04-17-2000 12:29 PM PT (US)     
     

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