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    Topic:   One Shots

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    Okay, Stuart McDonald's post about why some composers are not more selective about their projects inspired me to revive an old FSM thread idea of mine.

    What are the composers who wrote just one score (or just one great/good score) and never returned?

    Here are a few I can come up with right now:

    Philip Sainton's MOBY DICK. Too bad this was his only shot at a movie.

    Peter Schickele composed the wonderful SILENT RUNNING, a superbly scored movie. Sadly, his only film score.

    Pat Metheny provided a well written soundscape for John Schlesinger's THE FALCON AND THE SNOWMAN.

    Didn't Andrew Belling write another film score besides the enjoyable music for Ralph Bakshi's WIZARDS? Was it any good?

    Leonard Bernstein did ON THE WATERFRONT, got his Academy Award Nomination, and that was it. Wish he'd done more.

    Can you come up with some more "One Shots"?

    Chareles Koechlin THE JUNGLE BOOK
    Radio Symphonie Orchester Berlin/David Zinman
    (RCA Victor)

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    posted 04-14-2000 11:05 AM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    How about that guy . . . oh, what's his name? Jim, Johnny - JOHN. John Williams. Whatever happened to him? He did that little art house movie called Space Wars? - NO, STAR Wars, in 1977, but he's just disappeared since them. He even got an Oscar nomination for that, didn't he?

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    posted 04-14-2000 11:10 AM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    Yeah... there was a guy with that name... right... I think people may remember him best as the guy who underscored some GILLIGAN'S ISLAND episodes. Though there was another feature film of his... something about a big white... was it a sardine?

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    posted 04-14-2000 11:15 AM PT (US)     

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    Um, yes but I think John Williams is one of the more selective composers now anyway, whereas some of the other known composers seem to keep on churning out bad films.


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    posted 04-14-2000 11:34 AM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    True, but how many people thought STAR WARS was junk and would never rake its production costs back in? Anthony Daniels stated he was so happy to have his face hidden behind a mask because he was convinced they were filming a ludicrous bomb. And how many people thought HEAVEN'S GATE was to be another CITIZEN KANE until they were scared out of their minds when they watched the final product? It's very hard to be objective about something while it's in the making. So you need to have some luck, too, because even as a composer you may sign up for a movie that you have not seen. True, as a composer you can also come in late, see the trash, and walk away from it. But unless you have a really big name you can't do it all that often, or nobody's calling you anymore.

    But other reasons figure in as well. Take Jerry Goldsmith, whose talent is often wasted on second rate genre fair... well, this guy is known to be a workoholic. He can't be too choosy about his projects, because if you want to do five movies a year, chances are they are not going to be five classics.

    Some composers also find it more challenging to score a bad movie. Anyway, I think bad movies can be career breakers for producers, directors and actors, because their status is highly dependent on "public approval", but that's much less true for cinematographers, editors, or composers, who are of interest only to insiders. The people in the position to hire these guys recognize talent even in a bad movie, and the public at large usually remembers the faces that were seen in that bomb, so as an actor you can't have too many of 'em or you're out, but they don't remember who scored it, or who edited it.

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    posted 04-14-2000 11:52 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Andrew Belling did a few other things besides WIZARDS. Here's his filmography as seen on the IMDb, but I'm quite sure I've seen his name in episodic television as well. (As always with the IMDb, they work from most recent work, back through to the oldest. I'm quite sure this list is incomplete, but I can't think of any titles to add to it myself.)

    Spirit of Mickey, The (1998) (direct to video)

    Erotique (1994) (segment "Let's Talk About Love")

    Starchaser: The Legend of Orin (1985)

    Dracula's Dog (1978)

    Fairy Tales (1978)

    Crash! (1977/I)

    End of the World (1977)

    Wizards (1977)

    Summer Without Boys, A (1973) (TV)

    Deliver Us from Evil (1973) (TV)

    Killing Kind, The (1973)

    Peking Remembered (1967)

    and finally:

    Winnie the Pooh: Seasons of Giving (1999) (direct to video) (music supervisor) (music arranger)

    I haven't seen any of these except WIZARDS and DRACULA'S DOG, so cannot comment.

    NP: LEVIATHAN (Jerry Goldsmith -- is this his only film? I'm PRETTY sure he did one kind of like it before called ALIEN, that's probably why they would have chosen him for this one)

    (actually, by Goldsmith's own account, LEVIATHAN is the movie that made him think "Man, I need an agent." He actually never had one before!)

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    posted 04-14-2000 02:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey! I liked Leviathan! You have to like anything with Ernie Hudson, Peter Weller, and a Jerry Goldsmith score. At least it was better than DeepStar Six!

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    posted 04-14-2000 03:25 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    This is bound to irritate you, but I remember DEEPSTAR SIX as the better movie (although I liked both.) That was the year at least FOUR movies came out dealing with underwater menaces ... THE ABYSS, of course, but also the little-seen Roger Corman production LORDS OF THE DEEP.

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    posted 04-14-2000 05:26 PM PT (US)     

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    Now whatever happened to the guy who did Citizen Kane??
    ....Beats Me?!

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    posted 04-14-2000 07:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I enjoyed DeepStar Six, too, mainly just because Greg Evagan and Miguel Ferrer were in it. And the girl. Who was the girl in that one? Amanda Pays?

    Of course, thanks to The Abyss, we've been flooded with hundreds of low-budget, cheap-o, "people-stuck-underwater-with-menacing-creature-running-loose-in-the-station" flicks.

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    posted 04-14-2000 07:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Amanda Pays was in LEVIATHAN. The actresses in the small cast of DEEPSTAR SIX included Nancy Evehrard, Nia Peeples and Cindy Baskin.

    I thought it was clever of them to bill the actors alphabetically, for the most part, so that you never knew, by billing, quite who was going to get eaten when. (Although not all of the characters even were consumed by the principal beast, some died for peripheral reasons, which I thought was a clever touch. This is really an underrated picture, I think. I didn't say great, I said underrated. Now I want to go rent it, but it's already too late, all the places are closed.)

    Miguel Ferrer OWNED that picture, but that's no big surprise. dantoris, have you read any of those comic books he's co-authored with (of all people!) Bill Mumy? I haven't, but it's a curious sideline to his career.

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    posted 04-14-2000 08:01 PM PT (US)     

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    A few things about DEEP STAR SIX:

    - That's Cindy Pickett (she played Ferris Bueller's mom)

    - I like Harry Manfredini's score (didya ever noticed that he isn't talked about AT ALL on this board?)

    - I consider this film (and LEVIATHAN) to be guilty pleasures of mine. I saw them back-to-back on the Sci-Fi Channel almost a whole year ago. Though for my money, I gotta go with DEEP RISING, because, unlike the other two films, this one doesn't take itself seriously, and it doesn't even try to.

    - Finally, about Miguel Ferrer, I could swear I've heard his voice in a number of trailers, most recently U-571. Does anyone know?

    NP - The Nightmare Before Christmas (by some guy... he was in a band... he has red hair)
    ("Oogie Boogie's Song")

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    posted 04-17-2000 06:33 AM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    Wow, I knew Andrew Belling wrote more than just WIZARDS, but I did not know he was this prolific. Anyway, it seems there aren't a whole lot of "one shots" around.

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    posted 04-17-2000 11:30 AM PT (US)     

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    Sure there a lot a one shot deals in hollywood. My favorite would have to percussionist Steve Porcaro's scoring debut for the Eddie Murphy action-thriller Metro. You can say that Porcaro's been a scoring protege of James Newton Howard since he's featured him in numerious scores of his, The Fugitive being the most notable. Porcaro came in to replace Howard who had scheduling conflict thanks to that he'd later would have to also drop Liar Liar and Dante's Peak, but would provide the main theme's for both scores later to be scored by John Debney and John Frizzell. For anyone's who's seen the film and heard this score, they are amazed at how much it sounds like Howard, but it isn't. Porcaro goes for that extra punch and saw excitement in the film exciting action-sequences. The Bank Robbery and Getaway squences are truely dynamic and there are some wonderful quiet moments that give us a little moment to take in the action. There is a promo of this exciting score around that runs 33 minutes and I'm really excited to have it because it's definetly one of the gems in my collection. It definetly worth getting if you get the chance to own it. Porcaro has since scored the Cuba Gooding drama A Murder of Crows and the uncoming Wayward Son with Harry Connick, Jr. featuring a theme by you guessed it James Newton Howard!!

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    posted 04-18-2000 12:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Sure there a lot a one shot deals in hollywood. My favorite would have to percussionist Steve Porcaro's scoring debut for the Eddie Murphy action-thriller Metro. You can say that Porcaro's been a scoring protege of James Newton Howard since he's featured him in numerious scores of his, The Fugitive being the most notable. Porcaro came in to replace Howard who had scheduling conflict thanks to that he'd later would have to also drop Liar Liar and Dante's Peak, but would provide the main theme's for both scores later to be scored by John Debney and John Frizzell. For anyone's who's seen the film and heard this score, they are amazed at how much it sounds like Howard, but it isn't. Porcaro goes for that extra punch and saw excitement in the film exciting action-sequences. The Bank Robbery and Getaway squences are truely dynamic and there are some wonderful quiet moments that give us a little moment to take in the action. There is a promo of this exciting score around that runs 33 minutes and I'm really excited to have it because it's definetly one of the gems in my collection. It definetly worth getting if you get the chance to own it. Porcaro has since scored the Cuba Gooding drama A Murder of Crows and the uncoming Wayward Son with Harry Connick, Jr. featuring a theme by you guessed it James Newton Howard!!

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    posted 04-18-2000 12:59 PM PT (US)     

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    I wanted to mention two films by Robert Altman which have scores by people that I haven't heard from since (anyone who knows about them, please let me know what else they've done): Gerald Busby wrote a "sick" sounding, brilliantly non-tonal score for "Three Women," and Tom Pierson, who composed a fantastic series of cues for "Quintet" (all based around fives and sixes, just like the film).

    I know Tom Pierson did some arranging work on Altman's next film "A Perfect Couple," but I don't know anything else about him.

    Wasn't Steve Porcaro in "Toto?"

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    posted 04-19-2000 12:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, Pat Metheny was a one shot up until recently as was John Corrigliano. Of course Corrigliano's only film work before Red Violin was Altered States and Falcon and The Snowman was Metheny's only one until A Map of The World - both from 1999.

    I'm rather thinking of those composers that wrote the one or two good scores and then faded back into obscurity. In that list are Craig Safan and Cliff Eidelman and David Shire is a composer that is far too scarce by measure of his talent.

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    posted 04-19-2000 12:46 PM PT (US)     

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    SBD,

    I tried to start a thread about Harry Manfredini a long, long time ago. No responses. Personally, I don't care for his music that much. Usually, his stuff tends to be cheesy, but his Wishmaster score had some nifty moments.


    NP : Goldsmith's "The Shadow"

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    posted 04-19-2000 12:56 PM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    Yep, well, let's not be TOO legalistic about it. True, Metheny did A MAP OF THE WORLD, but that was a documentary, which is a different type of scoring, so I'd still let him slip by. Corigliano, though, has already done three scores: his least known is from the war drama REVOLUTION starring Al Pacino. As far as I know that soundtrack has never been released. What a shame.

    Harry Manfredini used to score a lot of horror movies, but then he just sort of disappeared.

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    posted 04-19-2000 01:16 PM PT (US)     

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    I believe there's a boot of Revolution. The score was nominated for a Razzie.

    According to the IMDb, Corigliano has made an appearance on both Ally McBeal and Star Trek: Vogayer. Did anybody catch those episodes?

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    posted 04-19-2000 01:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Nicolai. Are we talking about the same movie. A Map of the World is a drama starring Sigourney Weaver. I didn't know it was a documentary.

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    posted 04-19-2000 02:15 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Kris Koon:
    According to the IMDb, Corigliano has made an appearance on both Ally McBeal and Star Trek: Vogayer. Did anybody catch those episodes?

    Hahaha!!! That's hilarious! No, no, no, John Corigliano never made appearances on those shows... that was actually an actor by the name of John Cirigliano. Hehehe...

    James


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    posted 04-19-2000 02:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Pat Metheny score for A Map of the World is definetly a movie starring Sigourney Weaver and Julianne Moore and not a documentary if you'll closely see inside the album's booklet cover. Why the heck would you think it's a documentary? Was it the cover? Possibily since Metheny's albums always have colorful artwork. Since it was an arthouse film I guess it's easy to mistake it for that.

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    posted 04-19-2000 09:51 PM PT (US)     

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    I stand corrected! No, it's not because of the cover, I was simply misinformed. I have not seen A MAP OF THE WORLD, just read about it, and had gotten the impression that it is a documentary... interesting that it's not.

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    posted 04-20-2000 02:13 AM PT (US)     
     

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