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Topic: Those great documentary scores

John C Winfrey

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Besides the most common ones we all know about, there is a host of good music in lesser known educational and historical films. I showed many of them to my students over the years: The Shell Oil Company series with music by George Williams, Twisted Cross-about Hitler, the film about Indians catching the first horse narrated by Richard Boone, American Idea by Richard Rodgers, Michelangelo-the Last Giant by L. Rosenthal, and many others. There is a lot of good music in some of these. You never know what will turn up in some of these films. Best, John.
posted 04-12-2000 03:54 PM PT (US) 
HollywoodComposers.com

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Yes, I agree.
There are so many excellent scores for the documentary.I was watching Animal Planet the other day about the ocean life and how man and polution are distroying it. The music captured the feeling perfectly.
posted 04-12-2000 04:11 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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yes, how about Elmer Bernstein's showstopper score for GENOCIDE? It's almost as depressing as the Schindler's List score.
posted 04-12-2000 04:27 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I remember liking the score to the film version of book Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" (shame on me, I've read it twice and couldn't remember his name at the moment). Is it available on CD?
posted 04-12-2000 05:38 PM PT (US) 
Scorro
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If you're in the mood for the sublime, try these two.Tours Du Monde / Tours Du Ciel: Delerue (composed for an astronomy presentation, gorgeous strings)
LA CLOCHE THIBETAINE: Delerue (I can't read the French track listings, but the score has the feel of a travelogue documentary, I love it)
Some IMAX scores are very nice...
Amazon: Alan Williams_Sc
posted 04-12-2000 06:45 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Trinity & Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie. Damn fine score.Shaun
posted 04-12-2000 07:11 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Is there a recording of the score to THE ATOMIC BOMB MOVIE? I know John Morgan and William Stromberg provided the score.
posted 04-12-2000 07:21 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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It always is a stop-and-be-amazed point for me that Shore's "looking for richard" is a documentary score.Hans Zimmer's "Millenium" is one that yields a lot of replay value, as is Jay Chattaway's "Space Age". These turn up in the New Age bins and nature stores, but they're particularly good.
posted 04-12-2000 08:14 PM PT (US) 
JClark

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The score to TRINITY AND BEYOND, by William Stromberg, can be ordered online at
www.vce.comI ordered it some months ago and was impressed. It won't make my top-playing album list, but it's preferable to some other recent scores I've bought (I mostly go for the ancient soundtracks).
I just checked the website; the offer for the CD still stands.
posted 04-12-2000 09:11 PM PT (US) 
Ford A. Thaxton

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Have any of you heard these scores for Documentaries?(1.) "The Long Way Home" (Lee Holdrdige)
(2.) "Sixteen Days of Glory" (Lee Holdridge)
(3.) "South Sea Adventures" (Alex North)
(4.) "Africa" (Alex North)
(5.) "The President's Country" (Dimitri Tiomkin)
Fordposted 04-12-2000 10:27 PM PT (US) 
SPOR2

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Marian: A Brief History of Time by Philip Glass is, unfortunately, not available on CD.
posted 04-12-2000 10:30 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Hey Ford, I have 16 Days, Africa, President's Country, and South Seas Adventure.There are so many great documentary scores, I wouldn't know where to begin. I suppose with Virgil Thomson's scores for The River, The Plow That Broke the Plains, and Louisiana Story. All 3 are just awesome. Copland's score for The City is up there. All the government WW2 docs scored by Tiomkin, North, and Gail Kubic. Alwyn's score for The True Glory. Dello Joio's music for The Louvre, Air Power, Kamakaze, and Smashing the Reich. All the Cinerama travelogues. Tiomkin's Rhapsody of Steel. Constant Lambert's Merchant Seamen. Bax's Malta G.C. Herbert Windt's score to Olympia and Mayuzumi's score to Tokyo Olympiad. All the Jacques Cousteau films. Elmer Bernstein's scores to Making of the President 1960 and the Eames' documentaries like House, Tops, The World of Franklin and Jefferson, A Communications Primer, and Powers of Ten. Rozsa's score to Jacare. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure with a little more thinking, I'll turn up dozens more.
NP: 7% Solution (John Addison)
posted 04-13-2000 01:54 AM PT (US) 
Audacity

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I just got Mysteries of Egypt and it is becoming one of my favorites. Sam Cardon's score for Whales is really good also.I also really like Chronos by Michael Sterns.
Audacity
NP Shogun Mayeda (John Scott)*Rating Pending*posted 04-13-2000 07:44 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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A lot of Craig Safan's NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC scores have impressed me, as has Martin Kizsko's score to ALIEN EMPIRE, an excellent docu on insects.Then, there's the massive propaganda films of the second world war. Didn't William Wyler do a lot of those?
Ah, there are so many more. Don't have the time to list them all.
posted 04-13-2000 10:15 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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quote:
Originally posted by SPOR2:
Marian: A Brief History of Time by Philip Glass is, unfortunately, not available on CD.
Can't remember much, but it had that unique "Space Feeling" at the beginning, which I've noticed in very few musical works.posted 04-13-2000 10:26 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Goldsmith did one documentary, THE GENERAL WITH THE COCKEYED I.D., circa 1960 or so. Never heard the CD boot, but the LP boot is an odd one, the sound drops out at different moments -- when the score has to complete with narration, of course they dialed it down, and for some reason the tape they used reflects this. No dialogue or sound effects, though. Nice little piece, minor early Jerry, interesting to hear him working with such a SMALL ensemble, no more than 20 people, and for all I can tell, perhaps as few as 10 (haven't heard it in a long time).Lou Goldberg mentioned Mayuzumi's Olympic score ... I think Masaru Sato did one too, a competing movie about the Tokyo Olympics, but I've never heard it. Never heard the TV documentary Ifukube did in 1991, either. (That one's just a reorchestration of some earlier themes -- he found out they were going to use them anyway, and he's a fanatic about tone and context, so he jumped in to do it himself.)
posted 04-13-2000 11:38 AM PT (US) 
Kevin Su

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Christopher Young's U-Boats: The Wolf Pack was a documentary. It's an early Young, sounds like Goldsmith very much. A pretty decent one. (A rare one too)I've been told Gabriel Yared's The Ark and the Deluge was a documentary score too. But I'm not sure. This one really rocks! Very beautiful and illuatrated the feeling of deep ocean perfectly. I just LOVE the great chorus in the last track.

NP: U-Boats: The Wolf Pack
posted 04-13-2000 03:34 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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All good input. Excellent. Yes, Ford, I have heard all of those and have most on recordings. All good to great. Thanks. John.
posted 04-13-2000 03:42 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Whoa, one thing about U-BOATS: yes, that was a documentary, but ALL the music was cribbed from a pair of older movie scores Young did. I remember that one was WHEELS OF FIRE, a no-budget ROAD WARRIOR knockoff that did feature a wonderfully energetic score ... extremely derivative of Goldsmith, as a lot of his stuff was then (thrill to the sounds of THE BLUE MAX over poorly photographed shots of motorcycles!), but it was one of his earlier ones, and it got the job done more than well enough. It's certainly one of the best of his early works, although parts of OASIS and TORMENT are interesting as well ... still, creatively, he didn't really seem to get rolling until the late eighties (I tend to think of FLOWERS IN THE ATTIC as his breakthrough score; that was quickly followed by HELLRAISER and the even more amazing HELLBOUND.)The other score U-BOAT paraphrased was either HIGHPOINT (which replaced a score by John Addison, of all people), or GETTING EVEN ... I think it was GETTING EVEN, but I'm not sure. That's another highly Goldsmithish one.
These were non-union recordings, hence no re-use rights necessary for the show -- or the subsequent album, which I still haven't heard, alas -- and though I've never seen U-BOATS, I'm sure it matched up well.
I'm pretty sure John Scott has won at least one Emmy for his Cousteau documentaries, but the IMDb only lists his Razzie nomination for Worst Score for YOR. This is irritating. (Much of his score for YOR was thrown out in favor of soft-pop nonsense from the DeAngelis brothers; the recent CD reissue of the score, sans the brothers, is a nice big bold action score of the type one usually expects from Mr. Scott.)
[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 13 April 2000).]
posted 04-13-2000 03:44 PM PT (US) 
pietari

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Trinity and Beyond is indeed a great score, there`s some cool action and choral stuff there.
I think some of the U-boats score must have been taken from Getting Even (whatever that is) because it definitely is not from Highpoint (although they do sound similar).
posted 04-15-2000 04:34 AM PT (US) 
John Morgan
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quote:
Originally posted by pietari:
Trinity and Beyond is indeed a great score, there`s some cool action and choral stuff there.
I think some of the U-boats score must have been taken from Getting Even (whatever that is) because it definitely is not from Highpoint (although they do sound similar).Thanks for the nice words concerning the TRINITY score. This was Bill Stromberg's score and originally I was only going to orchestrate, but ended up composing about 25 minutes of score. Last year, we composed music for two sequels ATOMIC JOURNEYS and NUKES IN SPACE for the same producer. They are 60 minute films, but I don't think they have aired as yet. We used the MSO symphony again.
John Morgan
posted 04-15-2000 05:46 AM PT (US) 
pietari

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Any chance of a cd release of these two scores?
posted 04-15-2000 05:54 AM PT (US) 
John Morgan
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quote:
Originally posted by pietari:
Any chance of a cd release of these two scores?I am sure there will be once the film is out and about.
John
posted 04-15-2000 11:13 AM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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The Atomic Bomb movie DVD has an isolated score channel on it. I came across it today while I was shopping. Didn't pick it up though, already spent my allowance. I look forward to hearing the two scores for the next two.
posted 04-15-2000 07:23 PM PT (US) 
Davidh
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I'd like to emphasize Virgil Thompson's efforts in the field. The River was among the very first orchestral pieces I heard -- I checked it out of the library around the same time I was discovering Star Wars and Beethoven. It's opening has stayed with me all this time, very simply made, almost Glassian, with strings and bright percussions. I'd place it up with Appalachian Springs (chamber version) as a classic piece of Americana.
posted 04-16-2000 07:56 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
