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Topic: "Mulan's Decision"
dantoris
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Okay, we all know Goldsmith's fantastic track "Mulan's Decision" was butchered in the film, and half of it was replace by a more Zimmer-esque cue.My question: did Goldsmith still write the cue that was used in the film, or what?
NP: Mulan - "The Huns Attack" *****/***** (He was robbed at Oscar time, I tell ya! ROBBED!! Shakespeare In Love!?!? Ugh!! Come on!)
posted 04-05-2000 12:42 AM PT (US) Al
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Yes, dantoris, I believe that to be true. I think Goldsmith actually went through more than one alternate version until ending up with this Zimmerish cue.
Although the original version was ethnically correct, I did enjoy the version used in the film just as well.NP - McKenzie's "Dr. Jekyll & Ms. Hyde"
posted 04-05-2000 06:27 AM PT (US) Jeron
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I'm not quite sure what you are talking about, Dantoris. If it's a question of whether or not Goldsmith composed track 8 (Mulan's Decision) - isn't it obvious it's Goldsmith??In regards to what is in the film... I don't remember there being any kind of "Zimme-resque" cue. The only track I can think of that even slightly resembles something like that would be track 9 on the promo, titled Short Hair. And even that is still obviously Goldsmith.
Jeron
posted 04-05-2000 06:32 AM PT (US) HAL 2000
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The "Zimmeresque" version can be heard on the Academy Promo. I'm not sure of the creative decisions leading up to it being used but I thought it sounded out of place in the film since the rest of the score is so traditional in style. And yes, I believe Goldsmith wrote it since I've never heard anything to the contrary.
posted 04-05-2000 06:42 AM PT (US) SBD
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IMHO, I think the version on the commercial release is the best one.
posted 04-05-2000 08:48 AM PT (US) dantoris
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SBD - I agree. Goldsmith's original version of that track was one of the best on the score.I don't why they had to change it. In the movie, it starts just the same, but just as it builds up and gets ready to take off, that Zimmer-like music starts and it doesn't seem to go along with what played just before it.
That version, I believe, is available on the German CD.
posted 04-05-2000 09:40 AM PT (US) James
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I remember reading an interview with Goldsmith in which he said there was "one minute" of music in Mulan which he went through several revision of because the filmmakers didn't like it. Apparently, they had fallen in love with the temp track for that scene and it took him so many revisions until he finally came up with something they could accept.Then the interviewer asked, "All that fuss for one minute?"
Jerry's response was "It was an important minute."
James
posted 04-05-2000 02:01 PM PT (US) H Rocco
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I have both the original American CD and the Academy promo. Can someone tell me precisely where the "Zimmer" stuff kicks in, and which cue it is? I never noticed this myself, although I haven't listened to MULAN as obsessively as I have some of his others (it's pretty, and I'd have been happy to see it take the Oscar, but I don't think it's one of his most inspired. Sorry. Does that mean you won't give me an answer now? I'll have to come back under an assumed name in that event. DANIEL2 perhaps. Oh hell, you weren't supposed to know -- )
posted 04-05-2000 08:07 PM PT (US) dantoris
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One the official CD, "Mulan's Decision" is track 8, but it's represented in Goldsmith's original version. I believe the same track on the Academy promo is track 9 - and titled "Short Hair." It starts out the same as the one on the official CD, does the same build up, but right when it should start sounding like "When Johnny Comes Marching Home," it segues into a 'thumping' beat with an obvious synth sound. You can hear it in the movie, too, if you have it.
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