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    Topic:   Home Alone and Home Alone 2 scores

     Alwin
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    I was wondering which score to get. The first one, or the second one? For example, is HA2 mainly a rehash of the first one? Or does it surpass the first HA score, with a lot of new material?

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    posted 03-27-2000 11:22 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    hmm why not watch the movies and see?

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    posted 03-28-2000 07:58 AM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Well, the movies are pretty painful to sit through. The second is, anyway. I actually enjoy the first one, but the second was pretty awful. If there was ever a sequel that was a total carbon-copy of the first, it has to be Home Alon 2: Lost In New York.

    PS: How can you be home alone if you're from Chicago, but are lost in New York?

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    posted 03-28-2000 08:05 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    The second movie is wretched, just a larger-scale reprise of the first, but with none of the sort of linear inevitability that made the first one kinda funny. The second is just agonizing (and is such a clear paraphrase of GODZILLA'S REVENGE, of all movies ... )

    HA2 is one of the only Williams scores I don't care to own, because it sounds EXACTLY like the first one. There may well be new material, I think there's a new song or two, but none of it grabbed me. So I don't recommend the second one. I find the first album has a lot of dull spots, but a lot of it's fun.

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    posted 03-28-2000 09:35 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Alwin,

    I love the score for the first film, but to be honest in the 2nd film the music never caught my attention. The 1st one is a decent purchase, it really is!


    H Rocco,

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    NP: A CIVIL ACTION (Elfman in Thomas Newman mode)

    Really? Hmmmm, I may check that one out!


    Dan (UK)


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    posted 03-28-2000 09:39 AM PT (US)     

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    Home Alone is a great score, with fantastic Christmas themed music. It plays nicely right next to all the X-mas classics.

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    Yor, The Hunter from the Future (John Scott)*Rating Pending*

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    posted 03-28-2000 10:20 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Dan, re: A CIVIL ACTION: you oughtn't to be disappointed. He really seems to be CHANNELING old Thomas Newman in spots (although the score is also plentifully appointed with such Elfmanisms as an unexpected choir. With Elfman you DO expect it, but no one else uses voices quite like he does.) And if you like that one, I also recommend the bleaker but still fascinating A SIMPLE PLAN (one of Elfman's very very best, I think).

    Do you know Thomas's brother David's score for HEATHERS? Also very Thomas-ish, by David's own admission, and one of the few David scores that I've cared to own -- he's certainly a competent craftsman, but rarely, to my ear, a very interesting one.

    NP: CHAIN REACTION (Goldsmith) is winding up. Not, objectively, one of his best, but I love the colors of it -- way more so than similar action scores from the same period (EXECUTIVE DECISION, CONGO, U.S. MARSHALS).

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    posted 03-28-2000 10:50 AM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    I will respectfully disagree with Mr. Rocco on a few points (I'm hesitant to say this, but I *may* be a bigger Williams fan than he is He's got Goldsmith covered, though.)

    While the first score is a more coherent listen, and the second DOES feature many direct repeats from the first, there is MORE than enough material to make it worth buying. There are darker passages, new carols, a secondary theme for the villains, and scads of glorious Christmas/chase music (Duncan's Toy Shop, To The Plaza Presto, among others) that, arguably, puts the sequel score a step above its predecessor. The performance of the repeated material on the second disc does NOT suffer from "lackluster retread" syndrome, largely due to the stellar effort of the LSO. Plus, the "setting-the-trap" sequence on the second score CD includes the Christmas Carol introduction/fade-out that I wanted on the original.

    So: the sequel score is longer, contains all the highlights of the first score, and features some great new material. If you have to by just one, I recommend you get the second. If you're a purist, get the first. And if you have the money (or the time to hunt down used copies like I did) get them both.

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    posted 03-28-2000 10:59 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    (shrug) Okay. It's possible. I hated the movie so much that perhaps I wasn't paying enough attention. Then, as now, I was starting to buy scores only if I had a good idea of what they were going to be, and hearing what I did in HA2 did not endear me to it. If I found it for cheap enough, I might well lay it in, though; Williams is one of the few composers I AM willing to buy "blind." I just didn't feel "blind" when HA2 was readily available (my Ray Charles glasses in the icon above to the contrary).

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    posted 03-28-2000 11:21 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Not only is the second cd longer and purer (all score and original songs) the main themes have been re-orchestrated to a great effect.

    On the second disk we also find the "we overslept" cue in its originality, not hacked up as on the first cd.

    I agree with Wedge (I think it was him), if you want the score get the second cd. If you are a Williams fan get both. If you are a purist get the second and the first as well. If you are rich get them both and give them away if you don't like them much. If you are very rich, get Home Alone with just the songs as well. If you are crazy...well...we all crazy here so it don't matter anyway.


    Scotty

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    posted 03-28-2000 12:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Both are really good, especially during the holiday season!

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    posted 03-28-2000 03:36 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    I have both and HOME ALONE 2 is the better of the 2. It has less songs and more of the score, but I'm a Williams fan so I have to have both. If you have a chance, buy the second one first. Either way you can't lose in my humble opinion.

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    posted 03-28-2000 03:58 PM PT (US)     

     Cole
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    Yes the secind one is longer with more score and the original themes plus newer material. Here is one thing to consider. They are Christmas scores. I like to play them at Christmas time for my family when we are all yogether and eating near the fireside and yada yada yada. The first one works better at this time for a few reasons. the second score is darker and some more scary elements that arent present in the overall niceness of the first one. Just something to consider seeing as how all my other advice and views have been posted allready. I own them both and listen to them in equall amounts. they are truly "nice" scores and they give me that warm fuzzy feeling that time of the year.
    <sigh> its only, what, march? and now I want it to be Christmas time allready.

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    posted 03-28-2000 05:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Actually, I find that Elfman is frequently, if not always, in the Newman mode when he's doing subdued scores these days. That's not an attack on Elfman - rather the contrary - and it goes to show how the REALLY talented and innovative composers of Hollywood inspire each other, perhaps unconsciously.

    You must get both HOME ALONE scores. The first has more contemporary songs, though, and not as well performed as the second.

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    posted 03-29-2000 05:58 AM PT (US)     

     SBD
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    I like the HOME ALONE trilogy - films and scores, even though the score of 2 is a direct ripoff of 1 (just like how, musically, BATMAN & ROBIN ripped off BATMAN FOREVER)

    Am I the only one who cares about Nick Glennie-Smith's score to 3, and just how long is his suite on the soundtrack?

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    posted 03-29-2000 06:10 AM PT (US)     

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    Goldenthal might have just ripped Batman Forever because he figured no one was going to watch it anyways.

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    posted 03-29-2000 08:18 AM PT (US)     

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    *sigh* Home Alone 2 and Batman And Robin were NOT "rip-off" scores. They were rip-off FILMS! Williams and Goldenthall (respectively) had already SCORED those scenes to perfection! The directors didn't bother to do anything new -- not only that, but they didn't even repeat it WELL. If you ask me, the best thing about those two movies given were their scores. "Batman and Robin" had a LOT of good original material that should have seen a CD release.

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    posted 03-29-2000 08:49 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Gentlemen (Wedge in particular), you've managed a rare feat: changing my mind. I'll now keep my eye out for HOME ALONE 2. (It seems to be your week to wise me up, Wedge, since you also convinced me it's time to give in and hear IVAN THE TERRIBLE.)

    And I'd buy BATMAN & ROBIN at the drop of a hat -- I thought it was a sensational score, and perhaps I haven't listened to BATMAN FOREVER enough to have detected whether they're the "same" scores or not. (It was CREEPY AS HELL to see Schumacher RESTAGING so many setpieces from BATMAN FOREVER, though -- I'm sure that has a LOT to do with people's perceptions that the music was repeated. The songs weren't as good, though -- you won't get me near the BATMAN & ROBIN rock CD, but I love both BATMAN FOREVER albums.)

    NP: MECHAGODZILLA STRIKES AGAIN (Akira Ifukube) (lovely end title -- if you've seen the ridiculous Paramount Home Video version of this movie, then you really haven't seen this movie at all, it's hacked to shreds -- not that it's such a masterpiece, but it seems WAY worse than it needs to because of the callous, heavy-handed editing.)

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    posted 03-29-2000 11:52 AM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Mr. Rocco, I am honored. I recommend you seek out a copy of the VoxBox 2-CD set (VoxBox CDX 5021.) It includes over 65 minutes of his score to Eisenstein's "Ivan The Terrible" (the complete score, I believe) on the first disc, with the Alexander Nevsky Cantada (38:42) and the Lieutenant Kizheh: Symphonic Suite (20:18). The outstanding performance is by the Saint Louis Symphony Orchestra & Chorus, Leonard Slatkin conducting.

    NP - IVAN THE TERRIBLE by Sergei Prokofiev *****/*****

    (Oh ... and if you haven't heard Prokofiev's "Romeo and Juliet," you haven't heard ANYTHING! I recommend just about everything he's written, but this takes the cake. That and Peter and the Wolf seem to be Horner's biggest "inspirations" -- it's where he got "Stealing the Enterprise" and almost ALL of "Land Before Time." There's also an excellent 4-CD set of all of Prokofiev's symphonies. The 5th is my favorite.)

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    posted 03-29-2000 12:24 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Wedge, I totally agreed about Home Alone 2. When I first heard it, I was disappointed, 'cause I only noticed music that was already on the first CD. But after some listens, you find at least as much original stuff as there is in the first score. "Plaza Hotel and Duncan's Toy Store" is wonderful, for example, I like it more than the song version of the theme featured in "Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas" (strange enough, the theme always reminds me of that wonderful Rolling Stones song "New Faces" - or rather, the Stones song reminds me of Home Alone 2).

    Still, I'd recommend getting both CDs, as the first one still has stuff that's not featured on the second CD in that way, or not that good. E.g., the percussion in "Setting the Trap" sounds better on the first CD, and I think the fugue is shortened in the second score.

    Master Rocco, you should REALLY get the second one, you won't regret it.

    And I should try to find Ivan the Terrible. In fact, Wedge, I was looking for Romeo and Juliet about 2 years or so ago, and was surprised to find only one complete recording, and that one was rather expensive. So I don't have this one, either.

    NP: Angela's Ashes (Williams, nice)

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