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Topic: Blabbing over the End Titles and Credits on TV

jonathan_little
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Why is it that TV networks are allowed to show advertisements and other promotions while a movie's End Titles are scrolling?I know this has been going on for a while now, but why is it allowed to be a common practice that the end credits are squished so they fill only 25% of the screen (so they're so small that they're impossible to read).
At the same time (and more importantly), the music that accompanies them is always removed and replaced with advertisements for other programs.
It seems like the people (and companies) who were involved in the creation of the movie would be upset to see their names made even smaller than they already are.
And then the music... The music, as a result of the advertisements at the end of the movie, is removed from the end of the film and replaced with "Coming up next...! Coming up in two months from now...!"
This, in my opinion, is a cheap shot to get five more minutes of advertisement time and shouldn't be allowed to continue!
*rant rant rant*
posted 03-27-2000 03:32 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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I'd say it's because the networks feel that during the end credits, people all already up and moving around the room, so they fill it with voice over ads for the station's own shows.The only time I don't mind this happening are on sitcoms like, where they actually use the credits to show more of the show; in the case of Home Improvement, bloopers.
I wish it would stop, too. Just leave the credits and music as they are. You'll get plenty of time to run your own ads during the coming commercial break.
[This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 27 March 2000).]
posted 03-27-2000 03:36 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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I'm also tired of the station logos in the bottom corner. I was watching Quigley, Down Under yesterday on TBS, and they brought up this huge, 3D, rotating logo for the Braves, right in the middle of the fight scene on the dock near the beginning of the film!! I think it even had a little explosion sound effect as it appeared, and a swooshing as it left the screen!!!!
I HATE THAT!!!!
[This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 27 March 2000).]
posted 03-27-2000 03:39 PM PT (US) 
robin4

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I agree with all of you!
posted 03-27-2000 05:57 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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The network and cable channel executives wonder why their numbers are continually dropping, as viewers head out in droves to the Pay TV channels and VCR rentals to FINALLY get away from their obnoxious advertising practices!
Well, I got news for ya':YOU DROVE US AWAY!
We want to read the credits and hear the end title music as much as we want to see any of the rest of the movie, and if you won't let us, then we're HISTORY!
I don't understand why this foul tactic isn't illegal...to obliterate the credits of a film should not be permitted.
posted 03-27-2000 06:26 PM PT (US) 
Valere

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This is a practice that has been going on for quite some time,and it it so utterly obnoxious.rude,crass or whatever name you want to put on it. I Absolutley HATE IT!...You have enjoyed a fine film,muted out the crappy ads,LISTENED to the score,and WANT to hear those end credits,and the music that goes with it,and they do this stuff! What a letdown,for some of us who have kids and do not go see a movie every week! But they keep doing this, and will,as long as they think that it will make people tune into the 11:00 news or whatever infomercial that they are plugging. What it shows is no respect for those artist's craft. Boy this really pi#$@%s me of when this happens! I remember the first time that I saw FIRST KNIGHT on network.
NP:EL CID track 11
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posted 03-27-2000 06:46 PM PT (US) 
starblade

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See!?!?!
This is exactly what I was talking about in my "What!?!?....Credits Off??" thread a few weeks ago. Just on TV, now. I know they've been doing it for a while on TV. It cheeses me off, too. That's why I don't watch feature films on network TV anymore because they butcher them so. If I want to watch a movie, I'll either buy it (letterboxed, of course) or make sure I watch it at the movies.NP-Dark City
posted 03-27-2000 08:10 PM PT (US) 
sabbey

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I have the feeling their POV on this subject is, well if we leave it alone and have the ads after the credits, by that time everyone would have either left or changed the channel.
Personally which is an moot point either way IMO. Since the people who would watch the
credits "like us" probably change the channel because of the ads. And the people who don't care one way or the other, don't watch since they don't care.I will say one thing, I usually watch credits, though not on broadcast television, actually the ads, edits and commercials is the reason why I rarely watch film on regular TV anymore, well that and the fact that I get about 10-15 different Premium movie channels.
Either way I don't pay attention to the ads, and only the ones on sitcoms like Frasier get me to tune in.
Regards,
Sean Robert Abbeyposted 03-28-2000 01:32 AM PT (US) 
Audacity

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I hate this too!!
posted 03-28-2000 09:46 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I am sure that if they could cut the credits ENTIRELY, they would do so -- even the ridiculous compression and simultaneous advertisement that we get now only exists because, I'm sure, of union rules. I doubt the studios care either if the credits get run, but legally, they have to sell the credits as part of the whole package. In turn, the networks must roll the credits whether they want to or not.
posted 03-28-2000 09:51 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Here in Spain, end credits last an average of five seconds. And they change the music scores too. Way before Philip Glass put music to Tod Browning's Dracula, I saw it on TV with a wall-to-wall music track. The funniest bit was when Bela Lugosi recoiled from Edward Van Sloan's crucifix, to the sound of a spangly game-show fanfare. Like "Count Dracula, Come on down!"There are plenty more examples. Last I saw, the Boris Karloff version of The Mummy had the Franz Reizenstein score to The Hammer remake tracked in. And Hammer's Frankenstein Created Woman had spooky haunted house synthscapes instead of the James Bernard score.
There's a programme on here every Monday night which purports to show a representative cross-section of classic cinema. They have a panel of experts which introduce the film, then spend an hour dissecting it when it's over. The time I saw The Red House, they waxed lyrical about the marvellous Miklos Rozsa score. Strange, because what I heard was Quatermass And The Pit.
posted 03-28-2000 12:11 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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You guys won't believe this: you know how sometimes they'll just zip through the credits because they're overtime or something? Well, I saw a movie one day on cable, and when the credits rolled, they zipped through them, but the song was fast-fowarded as well!! Usually, the song or score plays normally while the credits zip on by, but they didn't even bother with the music. (It was a song, though). It sounded lik Alvin and the Chipmunks. I couldn't believe. Can't remember what movie it was, but I'll always remember those end credits.
posted 03-28-2000 12:28 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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So they do that in Spain too? They do it in Japan, at times, as well. I was flabbergasted to hear Goldsmith's HOUR OF THE GUN over a scene from an old Fritz Lang Western (not RANCHO NOTORIOUS).And in Thailand, I attended the Bangkok World Premiere of BIG DUEL IN THE SOUTH SEAS (twenty-two years and a month after it first played in Japan -- we know it here either as GODZILLA VS. THE SEA MONSTER or EBIRAH HORROR OF THE DEEP, 1966). They'd retracked a lot of the Masaru Sato stuff, not just with canned music I didn't recognize -- but as the movie rolled on, there was more and more and more of James Horner's ALIENS! (This helped date the movie's "world premiere" in my mind -- ALIENS was still a young score then. And less than a month later in a Tokyo theater, I'd be hearing ALIENS again at the end of DIE HARD, not to mention a lovely segue from John Scott's MAN ON FIRE. These cues bought, not "borrowed.")
NP: THREE BAD MEN AND A HIDDEN FORTRESS (Masaru Sato)
posted 03-28-2000 12:38 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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Where is Aliens at the end of Die Hard. I've seen these movie thousands of times, and I can't hear it ANYWHERE!! Is the pounding piece that was used in tons of movie trailers? I don't hear that in Die Hard.
posted 03-28-2000 12:40 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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It's the opening minutes of the last cue on the ALIENS CD, I think. For when Alexander Godunov's terrorist suddenly appears with his machine gun and is shot down by Reginald Veljohnson. The music tapers off and segues into Frank Sinatra ("The weather outside is frightful ... ")The cue right before that, for the long shot of the millions of shards of paper fluttering down into the plaza, is the John Scott theme from MAN ON FIRE. (Kamen just couldn't come up with anything melodic enough to make the producers happy, so he finally said "Just BUY the piece by John Scott!" -- they temped the scene with it, obviously.)
The bootleg of DIE HARD includes both the Scott and Horner cues, in their proper order as heard in the film.
[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 28 March 2000).]
posted 03-28-2000 01:10 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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Yuak, yuak, yuak.Can you tell I hate it too?
Scottposted 03-29-2000 11:50 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Purchasing a DVD-ROM drive recently not only gave me the opportunity to finally see more movies in letterboxed format*, but also to see the end credits.
*) One of the worst examples of Pan&Scan I've witnessed was during the opening sequence of the wonderful "Carlito's Way". The camera moves backwards in a straight line, while the opening credits appear to the left and to the right. First, the picture was panned so you could read the left text, and when the right one faded in, the image scrolled so that you could see the new text. This disturbed the whole sequence, because the camera is in fact ONLY moving backwards.
NP: The Lost World (Williams, great)
posted 03-29-2000 04:41 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
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Pan & Scan stinks.I think the same thing happened in The Black Hole's (and many other films, I'm sure) opening sequence... I think that for the CED and original VHS release, the aspect ratio was changed from something around 2.35x1 to 1.85x1, making all of the people in the film look tall... On top of that, some P&S was still necessary!
I have yet to see the recent Black Hole DVD, but it contains both the P&S and widescreen formats... No isolated score, though!

I guess that once we're all using TVs with aspect ratios of 16x9 we will hopefully never see pan and scan again!
posted 03-29-2000 09:39 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
