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    Topic:   The choice is yours...

     Scott
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    A little twist here:

    If you had to choose one composer whose work you would never, ever, be able to listen to again, who would it be?


    Gosh, I ask questions that I don't even know the answer to.


    For me it would have to be John Powel.

    Scott

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    posted 03-23-2000 03:10 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    George Michael!

    Didn't he say in an interview he wanted to get into film music?

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    posted 03-23-2000 03:13 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    John Powell? why would you pick a new guy?
    I'd pick someone about to die, like Goldsmith (his' old), so it wouldn't matter wether I heard him agian or not.
    But John Powell will be around for awhile.

    George Michael????!!!!
    Well...everyone deserves a fair chance.

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    posted 03-23-2000 06:28 PM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    WHAT A SEC!!
    SCOTT, I think I misunderstood your post. Are you trying to Bash John Powell? And you want other people to bash other composer too huh by responding with answers?

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    posted 03-23-2000 06:37 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    ehm...

    perhaps you guys misunderstood me. I want to know which composers you are not very fond off. has nothing to do with bashing composers, that is not my style.


    Scott


    So, I don't like John Powel much. Change my mind. I am always willing to change. Didn't like Young until Jeron showed me the light. Now I love the guy.

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:20 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I'm probably going to get into a lot of trouble for this, but...

    Howard Shore.

    I haven't heard a score he's done that I liked enough to buy, so it really doesn't matter. I never DID listen to his music, I don't NOW, and I most likely never WILL.

    I wish you well, Mr. Shore...I don't want you to die tragically or anything...I just don't care for your music. At least not so far.

    (I know you're out there!)

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:30 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    HOWARD SHORE? What an odd choice. Granted, a lot of his stuff sounds better in the theater than it does on album, but he's a TREMENDOUS craftsman -- c.f. THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, SEVEN, and perhaps his two most beautiful and accessible scores: BIG and PRELUDE TO A KISS (you must not know this one, Chris, I'm quite sure you would love it.)

    I don't care if Mark Isham never works again, though I'm told by a guy who played sessions with him in the old days that he's a perfectly nice fellow, and deserves to eat.

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:36 PM PT (US)     

     Dawk
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    A few names come to mind.

    Mark Isham.
    ENNIO MORRICONE <-!!!!! (I love one of his songs, but I could live without it)
    And.. I wanna say Elmer Bernstein, but it's simply the majority of his work that I don't care much for.. but there's one or two out there that I could not live without.

    -Dawk

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    posted 03-23-2000 09:33 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Mark Isham and Randy Edelman are my choices. I got an email ages ago from Mark Isham, and I praised his work on The Public Eye (a score that will never leave my spinner), but that's really all that I've ever liked of his. As for Randy Edelman. Go score some Japanamation with those synths, pal!

    Shaun
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    posted 03-23-2000 10:58 PM PT (US)     

     Shaun Rutherford
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    Chris, I remember a time when I dreaded Howard Shore's name being attached to a film. This was after his string of sexual thrillers (Guilty As Sin--which I saw at the THEATRE; Single White Female, and the other one that I'm forgetting). Nobody's Fool was a wonderful, wonderful score (that I HIGHLY recommend, Chris; it was "referenced" in The Green Mile's "Night Journey" cue), but that still didn't turn me. Se7en was released, and even though I don't like Goldenthal (don't start), I went in wishing for a Goldenthal score. What I got blew me away. It's actually 10 times more unnerving than Silence Of The Lambs will ever be. And that final cue! Wowzers! From Se7en on, Howard Shore has been tops with me.

    If there can be any summation drawn from what I've written above, it's that Howard Shore wasn't my favorite at first, either. He grows on you. Howard Shore is the Algae of film composers. The Game is another great moody score with some nice piano doodlings, and his recent score to Dogma was award-worthy (this, after I myself trashed the score upon its initial release!).

    He really grows on you, man. Trust me (and Rocco).

    Shaun

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    posted 03-23-2000 11:05 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    I loved "Dogma" the moment I heard it in the film. It's just SO PERFECT for the movie! And a darn good stand-alone listen, as well!

    The composer I'd love to forget existed? Giorgio Moroder. There -- that was easy! :P

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    posted 03-23-2000 11:17 PM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Eliot Goldenthal (although Heat I liked)

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 03-24-2000 06:20 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Hmmm,
    see, this is interesting to me. I like Mark Isham, especially October Sky.

    Yeah, Goldenthal could dissapear from my collection as well.


    Scott

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    posted 03-24-2000 08:13 AM PT (US)     

     Will
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    Ditto here with Goldenthal. This composer made me avoid his work after his awful work from Batman Forever.

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    posted 03-24-2000 08:41 AM PT (US)     

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    would be cause for mass celebrations and millions of rounds poured into the night sky if Hollywood got over the gassy sonic enema fetish and Zimmer and clones went back to the Abba fan club or began manufacturing hairspray. Leave the scoring to the pros or otherwise musically literate. Hose away the pavlov drool forever. Hmmmm, nice!

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    posted 03-24-2000 09:05 AM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    I think Goldenthall gets a bad rap with people who don't understand his music. He's harder to appreciate than most other composers, but that doesn't change the fact that the talent is there in spades. Anyone willing to back me up on this one?

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    posted 03-24-2000 09:08 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    I should say though, is it wise to even say such a thing? Because a composer may write a fews scores I do not like, but then write one that I DO like (just like Goldenthal with Heat)...

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 03-24-2000 10:07 AM PT (US)     

     Cole
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    I will back you up Wedge. Goldenthal composes some of the most wonderfull and interesting music being written today. it is innovative and well written and smart and a thousand other good things. It is hard to listen to - I admit that (although now it doesnt even phase me) But if you were to take his work and Mark Isham's work to a composition professor or something like that, I would be willing to bet that they would tell you Goldenthal is composing the better/more interesting music. It is one thing to say you dont want to hear him because you arent accustomed to the way it sounds (thats fine) but dont say that he is a bad composer. I hope he continues to produce wonderfull scores.
    Off my soapbox
    I dont really wish that any composer would just dissapear. hmmmm....maybe someone like Ry Cooder
    NP - Mission to Mars

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    posted 03-24-2000 10:19 AM PT (US)     

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    mlw,
    Yes. I completely agree with your Zimmer statement. Enough of them ruining potential classics like Gladiator. From the moment I heard he was scoring the film (of COURSE he can't write the whole score himself---as usual), my hopes for the film being great dropped considerably. If we dug up Alex North, he'd STILL write a better score than Zimmer's.

    Shaun

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    posted 03-24-2000 10:36 AM PT (US)     

     Richard
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    Well I really like Zimmer AND Goldenthal.
    HMPH!


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    posted 03-24-2000 03:54 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Shaun, next time you are online, IM me... I'll send you a clip from Gladiator. It's surprisingly GOOD.

    Jeron

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    posted 03-24-2000 05:49 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Ha Jeron,

    this from the man who loves Drop Zone.

    Scott

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    posted 03-25-2000 08:13 PM PT (US)     

     Matthew
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    I'm going with Arthur B. Rubinstein.I can't stand 99% of his scores.Parts of BLUE THUNDER and ANOTHER STAKEOUT are listenable though.My second choice,and i'm probably asking for trouble when I say this,is James Horner.Aside from a very few of his scores,I can't stand his music.The way he re-uses melodies and themes over and over makes me sick.If you have 7 or 8 of his scores,you'll never have to buy another cd of his again. Because you already have all of the music Horner has ever composed on those 7 or 8 discs.What confuses me is,why directors and producers continue to hire him?Is it because they liked his last score so much,they know that he will write the same thing for their movie.Plus,what bothers me is that Horner can be so lazy when composing and still make millions and continues to get work.Then when he is really lazy,he just sits at a computer and churns out a complete piece of crap like UNLAWFUL ENTRY.Which may not sound like every other Horner score,but is just plain unlistenable.

    I'd better shut up now,before I have a heart attack.I guess I should also prepare for the backlash from my statements.

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    posted 03-25-2000 10:46 PM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    Ry Cooder, Howard Shore (with reservations - I might get into his music eventually), Dave Grusin, Mark Knopfler or Mark Isham.

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    posted 03-27-2000 06:48 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    A bit late to back up Wedge about Elliot Goldenthal, but I think he's one of the most interesting of his generation. TITUS was phenomenal, as was IN DREAMS and THE BUTCHER BOY. I loved BATMAN FOREVER and wonder why it takes such heat from so many fans. Speaking of heat, I didn't think HEAT was one of Goldenthal's more interesting works -- Michael Mann is a director who deals principally in surfaces, and his soundtracks nearly always mirror that. (He can work up some strange and remarkable effects, though -- "Strong As I Am" in MANHUNTER, "I Will Follow You" in LAST OF THE MOHICANS -- these scenes shouldn't work with songs, but they do.)

    Arthur B. Rubinstein never impressed me. As for James Horner -- he's one of the only composers I'll buy just out of reflex, if it's cheap enough ... but man, I've been burned a LOT of times by that guy, most recently by BICENTENNIAL MAN and FREEDOM SONG. ($7 and $4, respectively.)

    Listening to BICENTENNIAL MAN in particular, what's beginning to dawn on me about Horner is that he really DOESN'T CARE. Maybe he never did, although the boldness and vibrancy of so much of his early writing bespoke such tremendous promise. EVERY kind of artist copies when they start out, it's not something that can even be helped, it's part of the learning process. Less than ten years into his career, though, Horner shaped up to be a genuine kleptomaniac (GLORY, one of my favorite listens, is crammed with the most arcane references imaginable -- he must have a hell of a record collection. If only I could tell you the story of how he came to pilfer the main title from OUTLAW JOSEY WALES in one cue ... that he did so is manifest, but how he THOUGHT to pick it is another tale altogether ... )

    What's especially maddening about Horner is that nearly all his scores will have at least the germ of an interesting idea in them. But listening to BICENTENNIAL MAN, a film I still haven't seen (sorry Chris -- it never hit the four-dollar house so we'll have to wait for the video) -- the music struck me as being particularly insincere. I'm not sure how to communicate this. But take any given theme from KRULL and put it up against any given moment in BICENTENNIAL MAN or MIGHTY JOE YOUNG, and the difference is amazing and obvious. Even when Horner's stealing wholesale, from himself or from others, you can TELL when there's more conviction. And, post-TITANIC, there's increasingly little. Even TITANIC was relatively affectless.

    I've noticed that Horner seems to have a particular affinity for the epic fantasy genre -- I think that's why he's taken so many animated assignments. Off the top of my head, I'd say that BALTO is the best score he's done in the past five or six years -- way more exciting and interesting than TITANIC. (and it only cost me $4!)

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    posted 03-27-2000 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    A few years ago I would have said Maurice Jarre but I've since come to appreciate some of his work. Today I don't know who it would be, however I do see perfectly what H Rocco is talking about. I did think Freedom song worked well in the movie (I don't have the CD) but James Horner has become an irritating paradox for me. I will keep listening and hoping for a growth spurt of some sort but I don't think he has anything left to say. AND DON"T ACCUSE ME OF HORNER BASHING! I want the guy to measure up but I no longer see any evidence of it.


    And Rocco. When you get the expanded ST:TMP boot take special note of the alternate "The Enterprise". Absolutely stunning.

    [This message has been edited by HAL 2000 (edited 27 March 2000).]

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    posted 03-27-2000 11:29 AM PT (US)     

     Valere
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    Does anyone KNOW where this Boot of STTMP Exists? Please let me know.

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    posted 03-27-2000 01:46 PM PT (US)     

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    We could tell you but then we'd have to kill you.

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    posted 03-27-2000 02:20 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    There's lots of places to find it, people, including dealers who'd probably be more than happy for the business. I'm not sure it's allowed to post their addresses, however.

    You can get a CDR of the COMPLETE STTMP (all two discs of it) for LESS than the commercial release ...

    Mr. 2000, I'm DYING to hear the alternate "Enterprise!" Soon enough, soon enough ... patience, patience ...

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    posted 03-27-2000 08:09 PM PT (US)     
     

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