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    Topic:   Spider Man News!!!

     Kris
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    I just read at Filmforce that Spider Man probably will be composed by DANNY ELFMAN. He did a great job on Batman. I'm looking forward to his score.

    np: Ride With The Devil ****/*****

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    posted 03-22-2000 12:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Finally, this movie appears to be getting off the ground.

    Any word on who may direct/star? Hopefully not some teen actor. And they're probably have Peter Parker single and not married to Mary-Jane, hu? I always though Michael Biehn would make the perfect Spider-Man, but he's a little old now for it. But ten years ago, he would have be dynamite.

    NP: Soldier just finished, like, 3 seconds ago. Now it's time to play some "Driver" on my brother's Playstation for an hour or so, then it's off to Snoozeville.

    "G'night, eve'body!" (people familiar with Mr. Krueger on Seinfeld should get that)

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    posted 03-22-2000 01:04 AM PT (US)     

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    Director: Sam Raimi
    These actors have been rumoured to star: Nicholas Brendon, Heath Ledger, Freddie Prinze Jr., Jim Carrey, Casper Van Dien and Leonardo DiCaprio.
    Script: James Cameron and David Koepp

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    posted 03-22-2000 04:40 AM PT (US)     

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    Forgive my tangent, but (I don't follow comic books much, but bear with me) according to an article in Entertainment Weekly, Peter Parker was a nerdy high schooler who happened to be bitten by a radioactive spider. They should have the script begin as such, and not have Peter start out as a heartthrob.

    Anyway, I like the choice for composer.
    ELFMAN RULES!!

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    posted 03-22-2000 06:36 AM PT (US)     

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    I don't have much to add, except to not believe everything you read.....

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    posted 03-22-2000 06:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Sam Raimi? Heck - why not cast Bruce Campbell? A better actor than the ones mentioned above.

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    posted 03-22-2000 10:32 AM PT (US)     

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    Good actor, but TOO OLD for Peter Parker.

    The way Steve Ditko originally drew him, and the way Stan Lee wrote him, he's got to seem young and borderline gawky at first; the big-screen casting will have to reflect this in a matinee-idol sort of way. Off the top of my head, Tobey Maguire might be believable (it's just going to be one or another set of stuntmen inside the costume anyway, plus piles of CGI a la the SPAWN movie).

    It seems a little bizarre to me to speculate that a composer will do a film that doesn't even have an official schedule yet.

    Maybe Raimi would want to give Joseph LoDuca another break, since HERCULES is over and XENA will not last forever ...

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    posted 03-22-2000 10:39 AM PT (US)     

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    Kris.

    Danny Elfman on SPIDERMAN!.....that's great news.

    Thanks for the info.

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    posted 03-22-2000 10:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, I know he's too old for the part, but I was hoping they would do the movie with Spidey already grown up and married, instead of (though I don't know if for sure if this is how the movie will be) showing him when he's just starting out. Do like the original Batman. He's been fighting crime for years, and you can show his origin in a flashback.

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    posted 03-22-2000 11:30 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, let's hope it won't be like this:

    Spiderman, played by N'Sync heartthrob Justin Tumber(whatever) with special guest appearance of Nick Carter from Backstreet Boys fame (NOW my niece will go see it).

    Music by Danny Elfman (just ten seconds of it)
    Soundtrack by N'Sync, Bachstreet Boys, Britnay Spears, etc.

    Directed by (who cares at this point)


    Ohh please, let it not be remotely like that.


    Scott

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    posted 03-22-2000 11:41 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh, I'm sure it will be.

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    posted 03-22-2000 11:46 AM PT (US)     

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    This the news I've been waiting to hear for really long time. Of the actors considered for Spidey, I'd have to go with Casper Van Dien because he certainly looks the part. But he wouldn't be my first choice since his part in Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow was completely cut to shreds and that is not a good sign. To cast Peter Parker it would have to be someone who people will love and identify the character with. Back when I first heard bout this project bout maybe 4 years ago, it was rumored that Arnold Schwarzenegger was considered for the role of the Eddie Brock/Venom character. Which would've been cool and all.
    Hopefully James Cameron and David Koepp's script full of one-liners and some story twists just as in the comics. But a convoluted one as Koepp's part in Mission Impossible.

    As for the rest of the production heads and credits they should (hopefully) be like this:

    Directed by Sam Raimi
    Original Music by Danny Elfman, Jerry Goldsmith or Alan Silvestri
    Music Supervisor:Randy Gerston
    Special Visual Effects by ILM
    Creatures Designed by Stan Winston Studio
    Special Make-Up Designed by Rick Baker
    Film Editors: Arthur Coburn (Raimi's regular editor), Conrad Buff (Cameron's regular editor), and Chris Lebenzon
    Production Designer:Peter Lamont
    Director of Photography:Russell Carpenter
    Story by James Cameron
    Screenplay by James Cameron and David Koepp

    Hopefully we'll find out soon who'll be Peter Parker/Spidey and Eddie Brock/Venom.
    It'd better not be Leo DiCaprio. Heaven forbid.

    P.O.
    Elton John's The Road to Eldorado (Hans Zimmer/John Powell score portion) ****

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    posted 03-22-2000 02:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Casper Van Dein would be really good.

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    posted 03-22-2000 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! That was a good one, robin4.

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    posted 03-22-2000 03:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Spidey talks to himself an awful lot in the comics, and in the animated series it was so annoying. Suppose they'll do this in the movie as well? Have him hanging from a wall while he spends ten minutes talking to himself about his problems?

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    posted 03-22-2000 03:29 PM PT (US)     

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    What's going on with Raimi?

    After everything Joe LoDuca did for his movies and after Elfman almost ruined "Army of Darkness" with that ridiculous "March of the Deads"...

    What an ungrateful person!!
    Go figure...

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    posted 03-22-2000 04:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh my God! An anti-"March of the Dead" member. That was one of the best tracks of the score, added even more to the scene in the film.

    Elfman should provide us with an excellant Spiderman score.

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    posted 03-22-2000 04:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Lo Duca's score was great and didn't need any touches from Elfman.

    His H'ness basically said it all (you know your comics H), Whom ever plays Spidey as Peter Parker needs a bit of nerdiness to him1

    Casper Van Dien...No!No!No!No!NO!

    As for the score......Lets wait and see, It's early days!

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    posted 03-22-2000 05:12 PM PT (US)     

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    dantoris, dude, what was funny? I was serious. Although there could be a better choice (someone skinny face and body), he still would be cool.

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    posted 03-22-2000 05:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Casper van Dien is one of the least talented guys in Hollywood, and he would suck as Spidey. Let's not forget Spidey is built like him, either. And he isn't exactly a big draw at the box office. Remember Tarzan and the Lost City?

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    posted 03-22-2000 05:35 PM PT (US)     

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    I didn't see TARZAN AND THE LOST CITY, but I thought Van Dien was just fine in STARSHIP TROOPERS. (That one looked terrifyingly like KLENDATHU 90210 at first, but Verhoeven managed to pull the very best out of the whole cast -- and as much as I hated Denise Richards in it, I had to admit that the innate vapidity of her character was pretty much what the director seemed to be shooting for in her performance, all along. Ms. Richards seemed much more ideally cast in the subsequent, hilarious WILD THINGS.)

    Now that I've thought of TROOPERS -- that film's alumnus, Dr. Doogie himself, NEIL PATRICK HARRIS is as close to Peter Parker as anything Steve Ditko ever drew! Though that might be a bit TOO nerdy for comfort ... y'know, as early as ten years ago, Michael J. Fox might have been the front-runner.

    On reflection, Bruce Campbell would make a TERRIFIC Green Goblin ... if *I* were making this one, I'd HAVE to start with the Green Goblin, who is every bit the Spider-Man's arch nemesis as the Joker is the Bat-Man's ... but since they're going to pander to the current market no matter what happens, it's bound to come down to the Venom character. (Who plays that? Bill Goldberg or another wrestling wrefugee, no doubt.)

    P.S. Heh, I guess I *do* know my comics, noble Timster (Lord 'Ster? if I am to be his H'ness, after all). And, Dantoris: as far as Spidey talking to himself all the time -- that's been a tic of pretty much every Marvel book ever issued, partly because they only have ever had so many pages per issue to TELL a story. I doubt very much that we'd hear the constant talking-to-myself that colors pretty much ALL comic book writing -- but I wonder if the scripts that exist will preserve the particular wisecracking style that is special to Spider-Man.

    Of all the Marvel heroes, Spider-Man strikes me as being the one who is MOST easily adapted to film. Of the early Marvel hits, we still know such titles as THE FANTASTIC FOUR, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, THE AVENGERS, IRON MAN and so on -- and what did they all have in common? Splendid designs by the late Jack Kirby (who also designed the Spider-Man suit, although the basic look of the title was ultimately Ditko's); and the teen-angst feel of the plots and dialogue by Stan Lee.

    The recurring motif in all of Lee's stories is that of his heroes' feelings of GUILT. Just sticking to SPIDER-MAN for a moment: Peter Parker is assailed from all angles by feelings of guilt for things he did wrong, things he never did wrong but is constantly blamed for (as Spider-Man), and guilt for things that he might do that will make things even worse (his Aunt May's heart problem -- God, is she still alive in the present continuity? I haven't followed it in many many years.)

    BATMAN was originally powered in the same way, before it decayed (by the 1950s at the latest) into some weird cross between pulp novels and carnival freakshows. It wasn't long before the primal image of seeing his parents gunned down was merely the lip-service paid to the character in the BATMAN series. SPIDER-MAN decayed in a similar way -- but SPIDER-MAN took off at a time when the DC comics were failing because SPIDER-MAN embraced contemporary issues (among many examples: the famous LSD-related series, beautifully drawn by Gil Kane, which were rejected by the Comics Code -- and which Stan Lee went ahead and published anyway.)

    As well, to reply in part to Dantoris' wish for a movie about the adult, married Spider-Man: to me, at least, Spider-Man will always represent the troubled teen who has been gifted with powers well beyond his comprehension (at first), who must learn the hard way that "With great power must come great responsibility." Spider-Man was the first supercharacter who was recognizably like his readers: not that all comic readers are nerds, but don't we all at one time or another FEEL like nerds? Rather, Peter Parker was a growing-up kid who, completely accidentally, became a MUTANT. Really, the superpowers bestowed on him by the radioactive spider are nothing short of a metaphor for the ravages of puberty; and his behavior in the first issue, in particular, mirror the arrogance, selfishness, and sheer self-pity that such physical and mental changes may put all of us through.

    SPIDER-MAN, alone amongst any superhero comic I've seen, has always struck me as a parable about growing up, and how hard it can be, and how much the individual may punish himself in the process, whether justifiably or not. THAT'S why I think SPIDER-MAN was a hit in the 1960s, at a time when BATMAN was fading; and why I think that, well-enough made, it would hit the box-office and pop-cultural stratosphere. Alone among Marvel's creations, I think SPIDER-MAN has the potential to do that. (X-MEN, which IS coming out, has a similar texture to it -- but that one's a built-in hit that looks to me to have little to do with its origins.)

    Phew, long enough for you? Well, Mr. 2 isn't keeping up his end as far as the Overblown Threads category goes ...

    NP: STAR TREK - TMP (whoever wrote this is pretty damn talented!)

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    posted 03-22-2000 05:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Scott:

    Men In Black, Mission Impossible and Batman were SF or action movies. They had a song and a score cd!

    Good Will Hunting and Anywhere But Here were small movies with song cd's.

    In what category does Spiderman belong?

    Andre:

    I think March of the Dead was great in the movie. I mean, it's a trash movie and it needed a fun score. That's what Elfman and LoDuca did.

    np My Dog Skip ****/*****

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    posted 03-23-2000 01:02 AM PT (US)     

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    Kris,
    and of all the ones you listed the only songs I can tolerate are the ones on Batman and Good Will Hunting.

    Get rid of the sounds and expand the score releases, that's what I say.


    Scott

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    posted 03-23-2000 03:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Bruce Campbell?...Inspired casting for the 'Goblin' there Your H'ness, i was thinking of maybe a young Tim Curry?!

    On a woefull note...The Incredible HULK t.v. series,He was real adebt at smashing coffee tables and shopping trolley's!, The REAL Hulk could totallise The National Guard washed down with the good ol'U.S.Army followed by a tear up with The Abomination and still have enough energy to pick his teeth clean with The Leader!!

    NP : The Chase - John Barry 4/5

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    posted 03-23-2000 06:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey Tim the Enchanter,

    I really LOVED the HULK show, even though I knew it had little to do with the comic -- perhaps I liked it better that they didn't try to replicate what they NEVER could on TV at that time (perhaps with today's technology they could come close to it -- but an animated series would make more sense).

    Oddly, there was a HULK movie on the boards that was canned very recently, because they couldn't imagine how they were going to pay for all that ... which is ridiculous, it couldn't have been more expensive than, say, GODZILLA ... but they ran scared from the prices.

    There was also a FANTASTIC FOUR movie that Roger Corman produced on the extremely cheap, and which Marvel has had suppressed, in favor of the huger-budgeted version they'd RATHER see up there. Wise from a trademark point of view, but no matter how well X-MEN does, I kind of doubt there will be a FANTASTIC FOUR movie at this point.

    I have a copy of the Corman FANTASTIC FOUR, and it's pretty pathetic. Though no worse, and probably better, than the 1978 TV SPIDER-MAN series. (I remember liking the TV movie of DOCTOR STRANGE from around the same period, but at the same time can't remember what actually happened in it.)

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Of the actors that have been mentioned, I'd like to see Nicholas Brendon do it. He's a very talented actor (though I'm sure dantoris will disagree despite the fact he's an admitted non-watcher of Buffy and is therefore unfamiliar with his work). I'm interested in seeing him and some of the other Buffy/Angel actors start doing some movies with good scripts. I'm sorry, but the ones they've been getting thus far are a gross insult to their ability (One time at Band Camp...One time at Band Camp...etc.). As to who else is involved in the film, I don't care as long as it has a good screenplay. If that's solid, everything else will fall in place.

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:47 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm still waiting for The Green Lantern to get made. Their's supposed to be a really excellant script floating around that deals with Hal Jordan the man and the effects his power ring/lantern has on his life, rather than just an out-right superhero/action flick. I think Dennis Quaid is the choice for Jordan.

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:49 PM PT (US)     

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    Also, the Fantastic Four trailer film is included on the videotape of the first Carnosaur movie.

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    posted 03-23-2000 08:50 PM PT (US)     

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    I did see the trailer that ran with CARNOSAUR -- it's a tossup as to which of them is the worse picture, though.

    Dennis Quaid would, indeed, be an ideal Hal Jordan, though I don't care much about the character.

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    posted 03-23-2000 09:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Glad to see someone else agree (about Quaid as Green Lantern). I've seen several drawings of Hal Jordan (in and out of costume), and they were dead ringers for Quaid.

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    posted 03-23-2000 09:29 PM PT (US)     

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    The book (of Carnosaur) wasn't as good as Jurassic Park, but it was a lot better than the film version. Virtually everything about the book was changed. Diane Ladd's giving birth to a baby T-rex? Come on! Gimme a break! The book was loaded with action and sex, two things painfully obviously missing from the picture. And Raphael Sbarge kills the T-rex with a tiny Bobcat bulldowzer! Hahahaha!! The book's climax in the shopping mall was much better.

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    posted 03-23-2000 09:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I thought CARNOSAUR was BETTER than JURASSIC PARK in a lot of ways -- the books, that is -- the movies are worlds apart.

    I'm amazed that anyone else has even READ that book ... it certainly ANTICIPATED the plot motor of JURASSIC PARK, didn't it ...

    I don't even understand why Corman & Co. even BOTHERED to buy the CARNOSAUR title, since the movie had virtually NOTHING to do with the book ...

    Corman & Co. have been using that monstrous dinosaur prop ENDLESSLY since it was built, including such even-lower-rent projects as Fred Olen Ray's DINOSAUR ISLAND.

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    posted 03-23-2000 09:44 PM PT (US)     

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    What's even more amazing is that Carnosaur was written back in 1984!! Long before (I think) anybody had thought about cloning dinosaurs.

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    posted 03-23-2000 10:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by H Rocco:
    Oddly, there was a HULK movie on the boards that was canned very recently, because they couldn't imagine how they were going to pay for all that ... which is ridiculous, it couldn't have been more expensive than, say, GODZILLA ... but they ran scared from the prices.

    It's really interesting how things change! Okay, enough grave-digging from me for now...

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