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    Topic:   Was Horner the first choice for Titanic?

     dantoris
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    I thought I read somewhere that either Goldsmith or Williams was considered first, before Cameron went with Horner, but I can't remember for sure.

    Anybody care to help me out?

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    posted 03-18-2000 06:18 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    John Williams was the original choice, but he was committed to both THE LOST WORLD and AMISTAD -- even if Cameron's schedule on TITANIC hadn't gone over, Williams was booked. Cameron even considered hiring Enya, but then realized Enya was a rather unpredictable choice. Horner was leaked the script by his agent, and loved it. Cameron probably never considered Horner to start with, because their relationship on ALIENS had been extremely rocky (one story has Cameron so furious during a playback of the "Gayne Ballet Suite" ripoff music that he threw Horner up against a wall and started yelling in his face -- something like "If I WANTED the "Gayne Ballet," I coulda just BOUGHT IT!")

    Horner saw immense potential in TITANIC, however, and decided to pursue the job. found out that Cameron had thought about Enya, and, by his own admission, said to Cameron during their exploratory meeting, "You'll think I'm crazy, but I hear something like ... Enya." Cameron laughed: "Bull****! Somebody told you to say that!" I don't think Cameron ever considered any other composers other than the abovementioned.

    I should point out that Cameron has ALWAYS had trouble communicating with his composers -- he hated Alan Silvestri's score for THE ABYSS, as well. I always thought he hired Brad Fiedel for TRUE LIES merely because Fiedel must be someone who's willing just to go where he's pointed. By all accounts, TITANIC is the first score for a Cameron film that he was thoroughly satisfied with.

    [This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 18 March 2000).]

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    posted 03-18-2000 06:36 PM PT (US)     

     Ford A. Thaxton
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    I'm rather interested in EXACTLY where you read the following H Rocco

    <<<Horner was leaked the script by his agent, and loved it. Cameron probably never considered Horner to start with, because their relationship on ALIENS had been extremely rocky (one story has Cameron so furious during a playback of the "Gayne Ballet Suite" ripoff music that he threw Horner up against a wall and started yelling in his face -- something like "If I WANTED the "Gayne Ballet," I coulda just BOUGHT IT!")>>>

    And your source for these rumors????

    Are these from some published source???

    Please be specific

    Also you make the following comment:

    "he hated Alan Silvestri's score for THE ABYSS,"

    And what's your source for this comment as well?


    Once again BE SPECIFIC.

    Because I'd like to read the interview or news story that you read this in.


    Ford


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    posted 03-18-2000 07:27 PM PT (US)     

     mlw
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    He'd tell you but then he'd have to....

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    posted 03-18-2000 07:42 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    You hear all the same stories I do, Mr. Thaxton -- no doubt more, since you're actually in the business.

    As far as the Horner/agent/TITANIC script/Enya story -- that's all right there in "TITANIC and the Making of James Cameron" (sic), which goes into more detail about the scoring of the picture than your average Making-of book ever bothers. The ALIENS anecdote may well be apocryphal, but both Horner and Cameron admit in the book that their relationship on ALIENS was considerably less than cordial.

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    posted 03-18-2000 08:47 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    THAXTON VS. ROCCO!

    And WE have FRONT ROW SEATS!

    Go, ROCCO!

    I haven't felt this way since "King Kong VS. Godzilla"!!!

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    posted 03-18-2000 09:05 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    I'm not sure whether or not I believe that ALIENS "confrontation" story. I know from stories I've read that Cameron can be quite a hard-ass, but I don't know if he'd ever actually physically (sp?) do something to someone like that.

    Then again, I never the Bond movies would get worse than Live and Let Die.

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    [This message has been edited by dantoris (edited 18 March 2000).]

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    posted 03-18-2000 10:35 PM PT (US)     

     Ford A. Thaxton
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    <<Member

    You hear all the same stories I do, Mr. Thaxton -- no doubt more, since you're actually in the business.>>

    Ah, so in other words you presenting as FACT a unconfirmed rumor that has never been confirmed in any PRESS story or interview.

    You can't support that statement or the others you made.

    I'll judge your remarks wtihin that context.

    If you have any on the record sources who will confirm your comments, please let me know.

    One should present something as a fact unless you can back it up.

    That's reasonable, would you agree?



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    posted 03-18-2000 11:40 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    If the Gayne Ballet story isn't true it should be. If the Enya story isn't true I'm sure Horner is still a brownnose.

    NP: Nothing. Pinocchio just ended and I don't know what to stick in the machine next.

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    posted 03-19-2000 03:53 AM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    I'll back Rocco on the book. I read the same chapter on Cameron wanting John Williams to score TITANIC and Horner getting his hands on the script. As for the other info, well I wouldn't be suprised if it did happen.

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    posted 03-19-2000 11:27 AM PT (US)     

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    This making of TITANIC book. Is this the normal "making of" one I see in the stores? The exact title is "TITANIC and the Making of James Cameron?"

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    posted 03-19-2000 11:43 AM PT (US)     

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    Scary thought though, Little Jimmy Horner V Big jim Cameron, the guy's about 6'5 or so.....He should pick on someone his own size like Mighty Michael Crichton (6'9)....
    Roll up, Roll up........

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    posted 03-19-2000 05:09 PM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    So, all that praise Cameron served Silvestri in the ABYSS liner notes were just bull****? Just playing for the gallery?

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    posted 03-20-2000 09:41 AM PT (US)     

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    Cameron's first choice for "Titanic", obviously, was Sonrisal Colesterol.
    Cameron find himself teared apart when Colesterol refused to score what he called "a flick about big egos" (as reported by famous journalist Bussunda on "Bundas" magazine last year).

    After that, Cameron lost all hopes upon his movie and decided to ruin it for good (just to **** all executives that put their money on it) by calling Jimmy Horny to re-score his movie stealing the temp tracked tunes from Enya.

    That's all about it.

    [This message has been edited by Andre Lux (edited 20 March 2000).]

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    posted 03-20-2000 03:40 PM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    Whatever.

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    posted 03-21-2000 03:51 AM PT (US)     

     Andre Lux
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    Exactly!
    "Whatever" was indeed Cameron's choice to score his "Titanic" movie. That was what he cried after Colesterol refused to work with him - again!

    Perfect, Tohr!

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    posted 03-21-2000 07:40 AM PT (US)     

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    Whoever ended up scoring TITANIC would probably have made a fine job of enhancing this movie with his/her music.

    The whole essence of the TITANIC movie experience, the visuals, the romance, the characters, the drama, the Irish, the tragedy, and so on, made this movie a wonderful scoring opportunity for ANY film composer.

    Personally, I’m pleased that James Horner, my favourite current film composer, got the job.

    His musical accompaniment to this landmark film was the ultimate in film scoring professionalism.

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    posted 03-22-2000 10:43 AM PT (US)     

     Hector J. Guzman
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    Thank god we didn't get a Brad Fiedel score!

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