In regards to the upcoming Mars films, well - here are my thoughts:

Personally, I don't think the three films should be compared. Each revolves around a completely different focus. Mission to Mars was fabulous... Red Planet, well - we shall see. Sounds like an Apollo 13 on the surface of Mars. Sounds cool, though. Carpenter's latest? Also sounds neat... but I enjoyed De Palma's representation of the Martian much more than what I'm sure Carpenter will do with it. Of course, it's a Carpenter flick. Horror is what he does best, and so I shall see the movie keeping that in mind.

On a different note, isn't it interesting how when a volcano movie comes out, another does (Dante's Peak, Volcano)? How when Titanic came out, close behind it was Deep Rising? Armageddon and then Deep Impact? And now, when Mission to Mars finally comes out, two others follow: Red Planet and Ghosts of Mars?

Does anyone else see this pattern? Interesting huh? I found this on a film news site:

"Hollywood has this way of producing similar films all at once, and in 2000, that theme is movies set on Mars, with this being the 3rd of a batch that includes Mission to Mars and Red Planet. To pigeon-hole the differences between the three, Mission to Mars is a 2001-ish epic, Red Planet is more of an action film, and then there's Ghosts of Mars, which gives the premise a horror spin. (This film is also set farther ahead in the future; also James Cameron has some Mars projects in the works, an IMAX short and a TV mini-series)."

What are your thoughts on this? It's an interesting topic, if anything....... I think. Or perhaps I'm just a goofy 18 year old.

About the other two movies, Red Planet should be great because it has Val Kilmer in it. I think he is great. As for Ghosts of Mars, I like horror movies that take place on other planets, e.g. Pitch Black.

It cannot possibly have any TRUE relationship to the REAL world, except for the fact that you and I spent our time and our money to watch it for two hours of our lifetime.

It would be GREAT if there were actually living creatures who existed beneath the surface of the moon, wouldn't it?

And you better believe that the space travellers who actually found them believed in the theory of evolution!

They always do!

Are you really suggesting there AREN'T creatures living beneath the surface of the moon?

You haven't BEEN there lately, have ya.

You know as well as I do that Professor Cavor killed all of the Selenites in the Moon, because he travelled there with a COLD in his head!

They all perished from that simple Earth germ!

Just like all of those mean-spirited Martians were killed when they tried to take us over!

"THANK GOD FOR THE COMMON COLD!"

-H.G.Wells

First of all, I just wanna say that I'm a Christian as well. Whole-heartedly. And now I'm gonna say this: I don't think that evolution is out of the question where Christianity is concerned. I'm not saying evolution is entirely correct, either - but I believe it could be a little bit of both. Evolution w/ out God as a part of the equation is simply silly. In my eyes, Religion (Christianity specifically) and Science compliment each other, not contradict. We don't know *how* God put Adam and Eve on the earth. We'll never know.... which means *nothing* is out of the question............ including evolution. If evolution or even, shall we say the "Mission to Mars theory" is correct, well - in my eyes, that's how God did it. I'm sure there are events God set into motion that made everything happen the way it did. Of course, who knows? He did say "Let us make a man -- someone like ourselves, to be the master of all life upon the earth and in the skies and in the seas." But who's to say how that happened? Evolutionary theories make sense to me in terms of at least a possibility... especially when I know God is capable of parting seas, pillars of fire, burning bushes, healing the deaf and the blind... etc. Even better, it still upholds what the Bible says. =)

God didn't mean the Bible to be a technical manual on how He does everything he does. It's the principles, the parables, the real stories and what the mean: it's the Word that matters the most. But who's to say there isn't more to it? I'm not trying to fill in the blanks... but I don't think it should be singled out, either.

Anyhoo, that's not the direction I intended this post to go..... so that's all I'm gonna say about it!

Jeron

PS - I'm Southern Baptist, just in case you are wondering.

But not simply "regular" wine...

According to Holy Scripture, that wine was the FINEST of all at the feast!
Which is to say that it was AGED WINE!

AGED WINE, made out of pure water...

Look at the book of Genesis, and you will learn that MAN was created, BORN as an ADULT, in the Prime Of Life!

ALL Of the birds of the air, the fishes of the sea, and the creatures of the earth were CREATED IN THEIR PRIME OF LIFE!

NOT AT THEIR BIRTH OR INFANCY!

And The Lord commanded them ALL to go forth and multiply!

Jesus arrived at the tomb of Lazarus FOUR DAYS AFTER he had been buried...

Did the fact that his corpse had been rotting and was producing a foul odor mean anything to Jesus?

NO!

Lazarus was RAISED UP FROM THE DEAD!

This act DEFIED NATURE ITSELF!

AS does every act of the Living God!

SO, Christian... YOU CHOOSE to believe the word of Charles Darwin???????

Sorry, but I find FAR MORE BELIEVABLE EVIDENCE IN THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF...The ONE Who Created "Charles Darwin"!

Thus Endeth The Sermon.

I believe in the Creation. I think Evolution could have been one of God's methods. Maybe it wasn't. The possibility isn't singled out in the Bible. If it is, please point that out to me. I'm willing to accept the fact that we will never know, are you?

and hey, I don't need a sermon, thanks.....

Jeron

BTW - Just so we are talking about film music here... Isn't Hans Zimmer's Prince of Egypt just splendid? =)

It's just that The Bible is either "The Word Of God" (As Jesus Himself said that it is!), OR it is NOT.

Jesus HIMSELF said "The Words of My Father Are The TRUTH"!

He was referring to everything that had been written in the Old Covenant (The Old Testament).

There IS no "in-between", Jeron...

Jesus Himself was either a lunatic, a liar, or...Lord Of All.

Choose.

Jeron

BTW - Jesus was definitely not a lunatic or a liar. He IS *Lord of All* - I agree w/ that. Of course... I'm not the one teaching Fire and Brimstone here, am I?

Anything else is merely "religion".

JESUS Himself said that "the traditions of men make the Word Of God ineffectual!")

That means "null & void"!!!

That's the TRUTH, pal!

"What is it that make my views and opinions so invalid?"

Jeron, all that I am trying to tell you is what Jesus Himself has said about the Word Of The Father.

HE SAID "MY Father's Words ARE TRUTH"!

With one sentence, Jesus proclaimed the ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT to be TRUTH!

Yes, we are both Christians...we BOTH have accepted Jesus as our Personal Savior.

Thank God for that fact!

There IS no argument about it!

However, while we are both alive & kicking here on this planet, many "religious arguments" go on around us! And many of them IMPACT upon our day-to-day FAITH!

The NEW TESTAMENT teaches the precepts of FAITH, and if YOU are not willing to accept the precepts of the OLD Testament, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY WALK IN THE PRECEPTS OF THE NEW?

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The NEW TESTAMENT teaches the precepts of FAITH, and if YOU are not willing to accept the precepts of the OLD Testament, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY WALK IN THE PRECEPTS OF THE NEW?

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LOL... Chris - I fully accept the precepts of both testaments - equally and without any qualms. When did I say I didn't accept the Old Testament?

oh... and just to add validity to this thread (in regards to film music)...

Great music that should be mentioned while in such a discussion:

The Ten Commandments (Bernstein)
The Greatest Story Ever Told (Newman)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (Williams)
Prince of Egypt (Zimmer)
Dogma (Shore)
Contact (Silvestri)
Jesus Christ Superstar (Webber)
Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat (Webber)

I need to PROVE my SANITY, here, ROCCO!

Let's not allow that to interfere with our discussion, even in spite of the fact that I must shut down until tommorrow...

This is a FASCINATING DISCUSSION, don't you think?

This is where the RUBBER meets the ROAD!

PeterK

HOW DID HE DO THAT???

Have A Nice Day.

This vanishing is not something *I* managed, Christopher. Would that I knew how to ... I've said enough dumb things on this and every other Board ... anyway, you're not nuts, you DID see my name, however briefly (I haven't been back here for an hour or so, probably longer -- not watching the clock).

I'd help you, Chris, except I'm no longer sure what this particular WWF (WCW?) (MMW?) match is even about. For me, theology is more of a hobby than a genuine avocation. I sense an apples-and-oranges argument here, and that's why I decided to bow out after my initial sentence. Calm down awready. (the accent kicks in)

P.S. I sent the Magazine I've been promising you and Bonita for some time now -- priority, no less -- you should get it by Friday. Enjoy!

NP: BARAN (Akira Ifukube) (alternate cues written for the TV version just ended -- heh, none of those cues, nor any others Ifukube wrote except for a snippet of his Ainu theme, got used for the American TV version)

Everybody's buddy,

Jeron, I get the impression you think he's YELLING AT YOU (his CAPITALS don't quite DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT IMPRESSION, DO THEY), but -- without meaning to attribute opinions to Chris that I can't be 100% sure about -- he is just trying to MAKE HIMSELF HEARD. In person, he's hardly Preacher Fire-And-Brimstone. One problem with the Net is that most of us don't know what we all SOUND like, we don't know when we're kidding or not -- hence the endless series of smiley-faces and other similar minutiae (which one writer quite cleverly compared to the sorts of displays dogs do amongst one another, and to their masters).

I just hope nobody goes to bed mad. Probably too late tonight. It can be a terrible feeling.

Christopher, looking back, I see you were JUST in time to see my original post, that I immediately edited and later was struck. You went ahead anyway (and admitted you were doing so). That's your prerogative. But remember what Mommy Joan said: we're still refugees on this particular ship.

"Genesis" may be absolute truth, but if you study the original language and look at the possible translations, you'll find that the wording is cryptic and ambiguous -- it's obvious that God created Man and God created the Universe ... but trying to pin down exactly HOW is fruitless.

For example: Creation in seven days. The word "day" is an approximation. The actual word better translates as "age" or "a period of time." Naturally, the ancient translators couldn't conceive of anything taking millions of years, so they translated appropriately.

He certainly COULD have done it in seven 24-hour periods ... he's God, after all, outside of time. Ultimately, it's not that important. The fact is, Genesis DOES make it ABSOLUTELY clear: God did it. And it was good.

Personally, I think this is a master-stroke on the part of God. This way, people can't justify using evolution as a theological scapegoat to say the Bible isn't true -- or vice versa; it can be interpreted either way.

Me? I believe in evolution. I believe it is God's hand at work. When you have infinite time, what's the rush? And despite my good friend Mr. Kinsinger's allegations concerning "proof," I have studied biology extensively, and consider evolution to be as good as scientific fact. No offense to Chris (though I'd like to hear his arguments against the scientific viability of evolution.) God left a lot of mysteries of the physical world to be discovered ... but they all came from Him.

Can I add one more movie score to your list -- Goldsmith's "Lilies of the Field"? I mention this in particular because if anyone has never heard it (and has cable TV), the movie is being shown next Tuesday at 8 p.m. (Eastern time) on Turner Classic Movies, and you might want to take a listen. I find the movie itself a tad painful to sit through -- can't handle such a concentrated dose of warm-heartedness -- but I love the score (JG in his upbeat Americana mood). And the CD isn't that hard to find; I got mine from Sound Track Album Retailers, and I've also seen it listed at Footlights. And it isn't even a bootleg.

Something to think about.

PeterK

God is Dead! signed-NIETZSCHE

ZAAAAAAPPPP!!! (lightning flash from sky)

Wedge, you said it perfectly...better than I did, or could have.

God is above time.
The spirit realm is timeless.
If He chose to create the universe in six 24 hour days, He certainly could!

One of the things that the Bible has taught me is that God framed all of creation using His WORDS, and He expects US to do the very same thing in OUR lives! Our words have POWER in them. Power to bless, power to curse, power to build or to destroy. That precept is found all throughout Scripture!
When I began to understand and to implement that precept in my life, circumstances around me, and IN me began to change. This is a supernatural truth that I'm talking about...supernatural LAW overriding the natural world, by mixing faith with the Word of God.
When I realized that God's Word WORKS in every situation where it is brought to bear, I realized that what Jesus said IS indeed the Truth! "My Father's Word is Truth!" So, I believe every Word of it.

The earth is in a state of decay.
Look around. That fact is very evident.
The earth is not evolving, it is decaying, and it will continue to do so until the Revelation comes to pass (which may be pretty soon...synchronize your watches, kids!).

PeterK mentioned the soul.
Scripture teaches that we have been created in the image of God. That is true. God is a triune being: Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and He created man as a triune being: Spirit, soul and body. The spirit and the soul are separate entities, although they are united inside the physical body.

I become quite passionate when this subject arises, but please do not mistake passion for antagonism. I certainly do not intend to offend, although I often DO, in spite of all my good intentions...

It thrills my heart to know that so many of my fellow film music enthusiasts are also Christian Brothers...does that mean that we'll be listening to film music in heaven?

Chris: I'm sure God keeps a private collection of every film-music note ever created and then some (well, maybe not "Ave Satani" ) After all, ain't no union musicians gonna be asking HIM for no re-use fees!