timmer

That's all I know for certain...

Sorry to keep you guys salivating. Ironically, I just returned from seeing "Mission To Mars"!

Rocco..."the gospel according to Ray Harryhausen"...man, you always manage to make me laugh until I choke!

NP: Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack to LEVIATHAN, a film by George Pan Cosmatos (I wish he would go back to using the "Pan" -- it perfectly emblemizes the Dionysian lunacy that crams his work)

It almost reminds me of...home (sniff).

PeterK, if you're listening...thank you!

that link you provided was awesome. Great text. Loved it. Thanks

(1) Etchings on an entrance in ancient Babylonian (?Mesopetamian?) ruins which contain three animals: a lion, one which I can't remember at the moment, and a third which no one has yet been able to identify... a four-legged, long-tailed, long-necked creature with scales.

(2) The famous extinct coelacanth (a fish from dinosaurian times) which was caught - alive - on a fishing boat in 1938.

(3) In 1856, miners using gun powder blasted a boulder away and aroused a large, bat-like creature which died shortly after it was removed from the mine. A scientist was soon called in to identify the odd animal and concluded it was a pterosaur.

(4) On April 10, 1977, off the coast of New Zealand, a Japanese fishing trawler brought up the rotting carcas of a recently dead ocean reptile. The captain, not wanting to spoil his catch (and therefore lose his pay) had it thrown back into the ocean, but not before it was measured and photographed and a tissue sample taken. It was about 32 feet long and weighed about 4000 pounds. The Japanese scientists who examined the findings concluded it was a plesiosaur, but European and American scientists basically laughed. Nonetheless, it became the scientific discovery of the year in Japan, and they even issued a commemerative postage stamp for it.

Then, of course, there are the enduring legends of Loch Ness and Mokele-Mbembe.

Now I've strayed off-topic from the off-topic discussion...

That 1856 pterosaur story -- WHERE did you get that? I never heard that one and I'd love to read it.

James, I hope you've read Ivan T. Sanderson's ABOMINABLE SNOWMEN. He was a serious, genuine scientist who really believed in such things as this, and did the most remarkable research of anyone in the field. You can find a short biography of him at:
http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/lists/iufo/1998/Aug/1866.html

Enjoy!

NP: "The Essential John Williams" (this is the rerecording of the opening of TOWERING INFERNO, but I'm really just playing it to get to BLACK SUNDAY)

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On to this fossil evidence Chris mentioned. Through just about five minutes of research (isn't the internet wonderful) I have found that not only Baugh, but several other creatonist scientists have presented "fossil evidence" which link up man and dinosaur... the reason you've never heard about it is that there is MASSIVE speculation on all fronts as to the validity of the findings... fossils which are potential fakes, photographs of findings which are "destroyed" in a matter of days, things like that... and that there is strong evidence Baugh has possibly lied about his credentials as a scientist does not help.

Nevertheless, if you would like to see some excellent documentation of these proposed findings, go here:
http://www.bible.ca/tracks.htm
Carl Baugh also has his own web site, but there isn't much there:
www.creationevidence.org

I hope I have helped someone by posting this.

James
NP - Symphonic Pink Floyd (Jaz Coleman)

Are you all aware that they've just uncovered the skeleton, in Siberia, of a carnivorous dinosaur EVEN LARGER than our beloved T-REX? And they believe these creatures hunted in PACKS?

The discovery happened less than a week ago. I've seen the pictures in the paper.

A friend mentioned that article to me. He told me he saved it for me, but I have not seen it yet.

I have found the first corroboration of the pterosaur story at www.kent.net/paranormal

Here's their version:

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The last of the pterodactyls (flying reptiles with leathery wings and long, toothy beaks) died about 100 million years ago, according to established scientific opinion. But in the experience of a number of startled French workmen, the last one died in the winter of 1856 in a partially complete railway tunnel between the St. Dizier and Nancy lines. In the half-light of the tunnel, something monstrous stumbled toward them out of a great boulder of Jurassic limestone they had just split open. It fluttered its wings, croaked, and died at their feet. The creature, whose wingspan was 10 feet 7 inches, had four legs joined by a membrane, like a bat. What should have been feet were long talons, and the mouth was arrayed with sharp teeth. The skin was like black leather, thick and oily. At the nearby town of Gray, the creature was immediately identified by a local student of paleontology as a pterodactyl. The rock stratum in which it had been found was consistent with the period when pterodactyls lived, and the limestone boulder that had imprisoned the winged reptile for millions of years was found to contain a cavity in the form of an exact mold of the creature's body.

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We went from Mars, to evolution and creatism, to God and now dinosaurs.

So, what's next?

Jeron...if only you would have known...

After thinking harder, and you know I agree w/ your thoughts Chris (well, most of 'em)... but I do think there is a deeper logic to what God does. Actually, revisiting what I said (after speaking w/ a friend) - science is just a term we have come up with to explain the otherwise unexplainable. All I tried to say was that yes, God created anything we may interpret as science. We interpret evolution as science. If evolution exists in any form or fashion w/ any species, of course - God created that. There's a level of knowledge concerned w/ what we are talking about that none of us will *ever* understand here in this life. We may not understand it in the next - but it's important to know that no matter what, it's all God's creation.

Now, having said that - and having established that none of us know or will know whatever it is we *don't* know, well - surely there's a possibility evolution was a tool God used. Key note: evolution is a creation of God (if it exists) and of course, we may as well stop referring to it as evolution. Let's just call it "God's magnificence or almight power." I'm not saying he used it with man. Perhaps he used it with the dinosaurs. Regardless... that's my stance. Am I coming across *any* clearer now? Or have a gone all the way back to square one?

Jeron

hehe... just curious.

Jeron

NP - Gladiator (Zimmer) *****/*****

Your H'ness (glad you like that) Can you point me in any direction as regards the info on the 'bigger than T-Rex' recent find?
I've looked on various paleo sites and can find nothing!
there have been two other recent (last 4 yrs) larger than T-rex findings of huge carnivores, 1 in Argentina (name escapes me) and another in North Africa (Morocco?!) named Carcharodontosaurus (what a mouth full) which is said to be a 3rd bigger than T-Rex,but the skeletal remains are scarce and therefore not conclusive!

sir timmer

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NP : Vaughan williams - # 6
'brilliant'

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The only piece I've read about the new XXXL dinosaur was in the New York Times -- you might try their website. You have to register, but I believe it's free. With any luck it will still be up, (or ever WAS up). If memory serves, they found that baby in Tibet or Mongolia. I have the article clipped somewhere, might type in the salient points if you have no luck elsewhere.

Your H'ness as ever --

You can also find the Associated Press article about the new dinosaur discovery at the Baltimore Sun's website. Go to www.baltimoresun.com and type "dinosaur" in the quick-search box at the upper left corner, and when the results come up, scroll down to the March 12 articles. You'll see it there.

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What have you to say about

SASQUATCH MOMMIES???

I am amazed by this. So, since this has become moviemusic.com's own ... well ... whatever, here a question.

Wether you want to believe creatism or evolutionism, or mix 'em both up, why did God create us? And, are there any other living, intelligent beings out there comparable to us?

Perhaps by answering these two questions, we will get closer to the solution we are all seemingly searching for.

The Greatest Story ever told. Yes, great music.

BTW. I would love to hear the music that is playing in heaven right now.

You are familiar with the Albert Ostman story of being kidnapped and held hostage by a Sasquatch family ... 1924 or so, as I recall. Or the tale of poor "Jacko" of Vancouver ...

Since this started as a MISSION TO MARS thread, I may as well chime in: I saw it Friday night. I didn't hate it, but by and large found it pretty tedious. I thought Tim Robbins was terrific, really cast against the grain, but to fine effect. Since he's billed "AND Tim Robbins," you can guess he's not going to be around for the whole thing, and indeed, I wanted to see more of him than we did. I wonder if he wouldn't have been a more interesting lead than Gary Sinise (and I LIKE Sinise) -- though Robbins' character is also more INTERESTING than Sinise's. (This is what, Sinise's third astronaut in nearly as many years? I thought he was more fun as the bikerish sleazoid in REINDEER GAMES -- talk about casting against the grain.)

Why did DePalma want to make this picture? I think, in reality, it's a less commercially calculated move than MISSION IMPOSSIBLE was. It's sincere and even, as DePalma goes, surprisingly gentle; there are a couple of really beautiful sequences that easily justify DePalma's interest (the long, puzzly zero-grav sequence, obviously designed to one-up the similar scene in 2001; the wonderful little zero-grav dance sequence that dovetails it. Was it all one long sequence? I can't remember now.)

It's easy to write DePalma off as a director who deals principally in surfaces; I don't really think that's true, any more than it was true for Hitchcock (his most obvious influence, and who suffered the same kinds of criticism through most of his career). But I do sense he's feeling a bit adrift. MISSION IMPOSSIBLE was fun -- and not nearly as hard to follow as its detractors claimed -- but SNAKE EYES, which seemed to represent a return to his usual kind of movie, was distinctly cramped and compromised. I wonder if he has ever quite gotten over the failure of CASUALTIES OF WAR, not to mention the endless misinterpretative reviews it got. Same problem with BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES. It's like he doesn't know quite WHAT to do anymore -- a similar crisis Spielberg was going through for a few years there -- sorry Wedge and co., but I found HOOK a repulsive, formless mess, and JURASSIC PARK, while hugely enjoyable, was very much connect-the-dots filmmaking ... a halfway competent Spielberg IMITATOR could probably have made that one just as well. SCHINDLER'S LIST, completed just a few months later, represented that quantum leap that he seemed to be looking for, and perhaps was scared to try. DePalma needs to make a similar leap.

An early signal that DePalma was going for "something different" was seen in his hiring Morricone, who does a lovely job, though not necessarily one I'd be interested in owning the album for. However, it is so far removed from the bombast of something like ARMAGEDDON, or the overwritten, overspotted loginess of DEEP IMPACT, that even though it's a very traditionally CRAFTED score, it almost seems, in the present market, to represent something revolutionary.

A great deal of this picture reminded me of the US-Japanese coproduction SOLAR CRISIS -- it's probably coincidental (an awful lot of MARS is filched from other sources to start with). But Maurice Jarre's score for the SOLAR movie ALSO took on the sort of quasi-religious tone that Morricone sometimes affects (the scores are utterly different, by the way -- in fact, the music is even different if you compare the Japanese and American prints of the picture. In fact, SOLAR CRISIS is one case where the American cut is INFINITELY better than the Japanese one -- funnily enough, the Japanese cut is the DIRECTOR'S cut -- Richard C. Sarafian's. He took his name off the American version, but really, whoever put that one together absolutely rescued it.)

Hi Scott. I’ve always thought that intelligent life exists apart
from. “this island earth.” I think it would be terribly egocentric
for humans to think they are alone in this infinity with all of
its galaxies, solar systems,etc. I only hope that some type
of contact is made in my life. (E.T. type contacts, not the
ALIENS type.)

Good analysis of M2M, H Rocco. I’ve always like DePalma’s
use (some would say overuse) of music in his films, and most
of the time, I found Morricone’s score lovely. I too think
Brian D. has been floundering lately and hope that he will soon rise
like the Phoenix. Regardless of what the critics say, Casualties
of War left me moved and haunted. I hope he’ll return to the quality
of films such as Dressed to Kill, Body Double, and Blow Out. I
think he just needs the right script.

On the subject of Big Foot's/Yeti's, i think I mentioned else where that I went hiking in the Nepalese Himalaya (It's allways 'Himalaya' never 'himalayas', and means 'Abode of Snow'),I went up to this Monastery situated at around 13000 ft to see the celebrated Yeti scalp, Cost me about 20 rupees to see it (nothing more than pennies),I think it has already been proved a fake, goats hair stuck to some bone or something?!
Speaking to various Sherpa's you get quite a mixed reaction on the subject of Yeti's, Anything from a dismissive 'No Yeti,not true' to 'Yeti very bad,scare my mother and steal Yak'(said with a twinkle in the eye),to a very definate 'Yes, yeti is real, I have seen!'.
And personally....Well, I think I'll stay open minded!!
...and Bigfoot??....I saw a BEAR in YOSEMITE, that was enough!

timmer

Scott: God created us for the same reason that men & women make babies. He wanted children to love, who would love Him back.
He may very well have created others in another part of the universe, He just didn't think we needed to know about it I guess.
(Maybe he didn't want to cause any sibling rivalry.)

Joan: Him/Her would be more appropriate if we must put God into the gender box. God is a Spirit being, and has no physical gender. A proper translation of Hebrew teaches that God is Father/Mother, incorporating all of the attributes of both. In fact, one of the many Names of God is "El Shaddai" which literally means "The All-Breasty One" - indicative of the mother breast-feeding the child.
The genderizing of God is a recent development that arises from reading the Bible in English only.
It's impossible to understand the many layers of Holy Scripture without studying it in the original Hebrew and Greek languages.

I didn't care much for the score.

There might be a higher power.

The earth is in decay and computers are taking over just like the movies predict(?)

I love dinosaur movies (even if they have stupid monkey things talking about being love doctors)

I am not Christian.

I wish people would be less materialistic, selfish and judgemental.

I think George Lucas is trying to tell us how to live better.

dave

NP : CARMINA BURANA

George Lucas may indeed be trying to tell us how to live better...I'm not sure just yet that he's the one I want to listen to.

I do think the way Jedi's act and are supposed to be portrayed is a very good message to be sending for our time. If more people thought of others before themselves, did more selfless acts and worked(sacrificed) for a common good our world would be in a much better place. To live up to these sort of standards is admirable.

On the same note Gene Roddenberry(sp) is sending a similar message with Star Trek. Instead of our main goal and purpose in life to become monitarily wealthy and powerful we should strive to be more mentally powerfull and knowledgeable. We should try to push the human existance further instead of stagnate it for selfish ends.

I guess what i am trying say is......I want to be a JEDI so bad.

dave

NP : Hunt for Red October

ps : I guess the word 'hate' was a bit strong when speaking of M2M. It just wasn't my cup of tea. It was a bit to slow. I do like De Palma though.....Carlito's Way rocked!