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H Rocco
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A very interesting movie. I couldn't call it FRIGHTENING at all -- they're hoping to pitch it as a horror movie, because those have done well of late -- but it's really an oddball detective story. I really don't have any idea what anyone else would make of it. I do like director Roman Polanski's work, and think he's well up to snuff here, though I notice he hasn't tackled anything nearly as lacerating as BITTER MOON in nearly a decade -- DEATH AND THE MAIDEN felt more like an exercise than a real movie.Polanski has again retained MAIDEN composer (and fellow Polander) Wojciech Kilar, and this is certainly the best music I've heard him write since DRACULA in 1992. Indeed, much of it is rather similar to the DRACULA score, but in a GOOD way -- I'd say it's the best score of 2000 that I've heard so far. The main title sequence, in particular, is completely gorgeous, and I personally liked the quirky stuff Kilar came up with for the Johnny Depp character (though I bet it will irritate some people).
Depp is more or less playing a seedier version of SLEEPY HOLLOW's Ichabod Crane, but to equal effect -- of his generation of actors, few are shaping up to be anywhere as nearly as interesting or brave. I remember liking him in EDWARD SCISSORHANDS when it wasn't considered cool to think this 21 JUMP STREET pretty-boy might actually have some real talent -- I think he's proven himself amply ever since.
Lena Olin is underused, though not as badly as she was in MYSTERY MEN (whad'd she have, half a scene?), but she does get to show off a hint of the verve she showed in, for example, ROMEO IS BLEEDING -- that should have been the supporting-actress Oscar for that year, says me. I'm not sure she's had a single chance to show off at such length, ever since. (Remember her in ROMEO, handcuffed in the car, kicking the windshield out and wrestling herself up over the dashboard and out over the hood? And you could TELL it was her! WOW! Her character is the only reason I'd ever watch ROMEO again.)
Frank Langella is becoming more and more magisterial with age -- in his few scenes in NINTH GATE, his powerful presense just about obliterates the memory of the humiliated wimp he played in the Madonna-fest BODY OF EVIDENCE, a career nadir for all concerned, it must be admitted. In NINTH GATE, mostly we hear him over the phone, but when we DO see him, he's impressive as hell -- to say anything about his character would be to say too much.
Ditto Emmanuelle Seigner, Polanski's wife, which is why he casts her, but a decent actress nonetheless (I thought her superb in BITTER MOON). Anyone else who cares to post here, I wonder what you made of her character, and who it is she's supposed to be. The series of engravings that are part of the plot motor give us several clues, some of them conflicting.
The whole cast is splendid, but I especially want to point out the ODDEST piece of casting (and I don't THINK this comprises a SPOILER, but if it does, then skip this paragraph -- I think you might get more fun out of it if you walk in expecting this): Polanski cast a Spaniard named Jose Lopez Rodero in the role of a pair of elderly TWINS who help explain to Johnny Depp's Corso the nature of the book he's investigating. Polanski takes some delight in using the same actor playing two roles in the same shot, AND THEN brings the SAME actor back at the END of the film, on the SAME set, AGAIN playing TWO DIFFERENT ROLES, AGAIN in the same shot. At one point, the Rodero facing the camera explains that Depp must have the wrong guy: "I'm Pepe Lopez" -- which is Rodero's real-life nickname!
So why do I go into all this detail? Because Jose Lopez Rodero isn't even an actor -- he's a professional assistant director/production manager who's worked in Europe for at least thirty years. He was Franklin J. Schaffner's favorite on such various pictures as PATTON, PAPILLON and THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL -- and Polanski engaged him as Chief Assistant Director on THE NINTH GATE as well!!!! (Jose split duties on PAPILLON with his brother Juan Lopez Rodero -- they must not be twins, or else Polanski would've gone to town on THAT. I wonder if the whole twin-split-camera thing isn't some kind of residual frustration on Polanski's part -- he had a movie cancelled a couple of years ago entitled THE DOUBLE, which was to star John Travolta, but they had a falling-out. Polanski actually tried to go ahead with STEVE MARTIN instead of Travolta, but that didn't wash with the money boys.)
I just HAD to share that about Rodero -- I doubt many people in the WORLD even understood it ...
To say more about the manner in which the plot unspools would be to wreck it. I do hope that more of you will enjoy it than I worry you will. At least the MUSIC is cool (ditto the camerawork by Darius Khondji -- similar to his work on SEVEN, and an improvement over ALIEN RESURRECTION). Safe to say, if you liked Wojciech Kilar's other work, you will like his score for THE NINTH GATE.
posted 03-10-2000 10:44 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Fascinating reading as usual, Rocco.
I haven't seen the film, but I get the impression that your review is more interesting than the movie is.
posted 03-11-2000 09:35 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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Very fascinating indeed, Mr. Rocco, especially since I have seen "The Ninth Gate" some time ago and I did *not* notice that the four characters were played by the same actor. The Spanish novel "El Club Dumas" on which the movie was based is also very much worth reading, well written and with a cool ending.NP: Johannes Brahms: Symphony No. 2
Berliner Philharmoniker conducted by Claudio Abbado (Deutsche Grammophon)posted 03-11-2000 10:23 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I too enjoyed the film (although too many people seem to have been expecting another "Rosemarie's Baby"), and the score is great. I also noticed the similarity to Kilar's earlier "Dracula", but there's nothing wrong with that.Unfortunately, I missed the first 10 or 15 minutes, so I still haven't seen the opening titles which everybody is raving about. But I have to see the film again, anyway. After buying the score and studying the 9 images in the booklet, I think there must be much more in the film than I did notice the first time.
NP: Empire of the Sun (Williams; Current track: "Exsultate Justi")
posted 03-11-2000 11:42 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Heh ... three replies, one from a guy who didn't see it, and two from Europeans. This speaks much about how well the picture is going to do this weekend ...
posted 03-11-2000 09:19 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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Saturday's Boxoffice News:"The Ninth Gate" #3 (after "My Dog Skip")
Two-Day Total Gross: $4,961,000
(That should pay Depp's fee)
posted 03-12-2000 09:26 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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You didn't say, but that must mean MISSION TO MARS is #1.I didn't mention how very EXPENSIVE this picture looks, even though the whole thing was shot in Europe, where it can often be cheaper. (I think Polanski had the second unit steal a couple of shots in New York -- certainly the opening pan of Manhattan, but that could be stock -- unless he went to the unthinkable expense of rebuilding that block in Greenwich Village for less than three minutes of screen time. Brrr ... no wonder there were so many investors ... eighty or ninety different companies have their names on the screen before any of the artistes even get mentioned ...)
NP: THE VANISHING (label doesn't say who it is, probably it's Vangelis, from the sound)
posted 03-12-2000 09:35 PM PT (US) 
Cole

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The Vanishing? You mean by Jerry Goldsmith?
posted 03-12-2000 10:22 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The very one, Cole. I was just kidding ...NP: THE BLUE LAGOON (Basil Poledouris) (or maybe this one's Vangelis too ...)
Good night, all. Cole, I hope that the spectre of Mr. Goldenthal does not tonight choose to haunt your hopefully pleasantest of dreams.
[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 12 March 2000).]
posted 03-12-2000 10:27 PM PT (US) 
starblade

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I just returned from seeing the Ninth Gate. I have to say that I liked the film. It definitely had a 'European' feel to it. What I mean by that is, it had a very deliberate pacing to it. Not 'Bam, bam, bam, (insert SPFX here), BOOM'. I enjoyed Kilar's score immensely. It'll probably be the next score that I buy.
Having read Rocco's synopsis before I went to see it, I ended up snickering at some of the things he pointed out. The only negative thing about the whole thing was the 4 teenagers sitting behind me talking and laughing all the way through the movie; then having the audacity to say it sucked when it was over.I think I have a pretty good idea who "the Girl" is...........
NP-Dracula (Kilar)posted 03-12-2000 11:32 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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"The Girl" ... that's the aspect that's troubling me. Is she the girl in the FIRST engraving, the LAST, or BOTH? And if BOTH, what does THAT mean?NP: KING SOLOMON'S MINES (Jerry somebody) (oh, I love this piece -- "The Chieftain")
posted 03-13-2000 12:31 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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H, are you talking about those very nine engravings of the nine gates? Because I can only see a girl on the ninth one, and that is definitely an image of Emmanuelle Seigner...?And from your postings above it sounds as if the movie has only just opened in the US a few days ago?
NP: Sleepy Hollow (Danny Elfguy, good)
posted 03-13-2000 06:05 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The picture opened here Friday, Marian; as I write this, it's Monday. (Actually, in one minute it will be Tuesday.)There are TWO engravings featuring Ms. Seigner -- the FIRST one we see (and I think we see it only once); and the LAST one you mentioned. Their meaning is almost, arguably, opposite (which, I think, is why they appear First and Last.)
There's also an engraving featuring one of Jose Lopez Rodero's twins, in the shape of a Cupid-like angel, and a Johnny Depp-like figure with a goatee about to be decapitated (Polanski goes so far here as to insert a marvelous, hilarious shot of Depp stroking his own bearded chin, trying to figure out what this picture means.)
Oh, there's much more. I do need to give this one another shot, and take notes next time. A LOT is going on in this one.
NP: THE WIND AND THE LION (haven't heard this in a WHILE -- wow wow wow wow)
posted 03-13-2000 08:56 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Hm, are you perhaps talking about the main title sequence (which I missed, as I said above)? Because I can't find any of the engravings you're talking about in the 9 images in my CD booklet.However, I find it interesting that I saw the movie several weeks before it opened in the US. I didn't realize it really is a European picture, and sometimes we have to wait months for US pictures.
NP: Empire of the Sun (Williams, good)
posted 03-14-2000 10:16 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The CD booklet has the engravings? Excellent. Now, the one I'm referring to -- memory may be wobbly -- is, I thought, the first one we SEE: the woman in front of the towers, holding a finger to her lips as if to say "shhh" -- although at that point in the movie I think it has a more specific connotation (it feels more like "watch it!" or "beware," especially given her proximity in the road before the castle. Again, I have to watch this one again more carefully to get the whole thing.)NP: STAR TREK INSURRECTION (promo version Crescendo put out, for radio stations, that's about HALF the length of the original -- I wouldn't have BOUGHT the thing if I'd realized that! It was in a used bin, and I just had a Pavlovian response: "Cheap Goldsmith that I don't have!" Well, it was cheap for a reason ... )
posted 03-14-2000 11:49 AM PT (US) 
mlw
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Kilar did a good score? Finally? It doesn't blow out all it's gray matter in the first few seconds then wheeze? Prodrimides' best cousin.
posted 03-14-2000 12:57 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Okay, YOU'RE not going to like it then, Mr. Ware ...To paraphrase Ernest Borgnine at the end of WILLARD: Who the hell is Prodrimides?
[This message has been edited by H Rocco (edited 14 March 2000).]
posted 03-14-2000 01:00 PM PT (US) 
Foobsie
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Mind you I am European. The Ninth Gate is too European. (middle section) only track worth mentioning is Vocalise. The score isn't as dark as I had hoped it to be. Although track 2 does point in that direction. The french trumpets and motif are horrible. It's too Euro-classical.What will LOTR sound like?
Gimme Goldsmith......posted 03-15-2000 01:26 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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H: Yes, the booklet HAS the nine engravings. But to me, the knight in front of the fortified town doesn't look female. And the comments below the engraving (yes, there are comments for each of them
) say "'Silence is golden' (A knight rides towards a fortified town. With his finger on his lips, he counsels prudence or silence)".NP: The Final Conflict (Jerry's best?)
posted 03-15-2000 11:55 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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The engravings seen in the movie are taken (though somewhat changed) directly from the novel "El Club Dumas" on which the movie was based. In the CD booklet, there are the nine images the movie uses. However, the images change even within the movie (for example images no. 3 and 9).
In the novel, there are three sets of images (as there are three different copies of "The Ninth Gate" within the book/movie). However, in the movie the images "refer" to the persons in the story (e.g. the "woman" kneeling in image no. 8 becomes Corso, the bowman in image 3 becomes the book restorer and so on). This has probably been done simply for a more "filmical" and visual effect, since these references are not in the novel. However, the descriptions of the images are still taken directly from the "book in the book", so that's probably why the just about to be beheaded woman looks like a bearded man.
NP: Aaron Copland - Rodeo
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