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    Topic:   how is it . . .

     dantoris
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    . . . that John Williams has managed to score every single Spielberg film since their first collaboration? Usually there's a scheduling conflict here or there with other composer/directors, but not this duo. No siree!! I'm amazed that he's been able to score every Spielberg film. Is it just a case where the composer enjoys working with the director so much he makes the time in his schedule so he doesn't have to miss out on a project? Has Spielberg ever considered another compser?

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    posted 03-10-2000 03:01 PM PT (US)     

     mlw
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    like in the color purple and duel? I'm sure he'll hire whomever feels right for the part.

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    posted 03-10-2000 03:15 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Well, I knew he didn't do DUEL, as that was before Spielberg did features. Williams didn't do THE COLOR PURPLE though?

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    posted 03-10-2000 03:41 PM PT (US)     

     Jonathan
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    No, Quincy Jones "supervised" the music for COLOR PURPLE. However, I believe the majority of the orchestral excerpts (which were actually quite nice) were done by Jeremy Lubbock.

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    posted 03-10-2000 03:54 PM PT (US)     

     Dawk
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    Williams didn't score Spielberg's segment of Twilight Zone the movie, but I think that's more of a case of they wanted one composer for the whole movie rather than scheduling problems. he majority of it.

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    posted 03-10-2000 04:12 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I believe I read somewhere (I believe it was here) that Spielberg actually has a clause in his contract(s) that says he will not do a movie without Williams. This seems a little implausible to me, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Can anyone verify this?

    James
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    posted 03-10-2000 04:40 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I don't know if Spielberg has a CLAUSE in his contract -- I doubt that any executive would even attempt to FORBID him to work with Williams -- but you'll also notice that Williams doesn't work NEARLY as much as Horner used to, or Goldsmith still does, or Howard or a bunch of those guys -- not least because Williams used to have all those Boston Pops commitments.

    I think Spielberg decides well in advance what his next project is going to be, and then informs Williams what the schedule is going to be, and Williams manages. Since he works for so few other filmmakers, it's not hard for him to pencil it in. Goldsmith, by contrast, frequently overreaches, costing him such recent assignments as RONIN and REINDEER GAMES, and forcing him to share scoring duties on STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT with his son Joel; or in the case of accepting AIR FORCE ONE, realizing that he needed another composer (ultimately Joel McNeely) to fill in the blanks, since the schedule was so outrageous (most or all of you remember they were doing a last-minute replacement of a Randy Newman score).

    Back to Spielberg: I think all the CREATIVE decisions on the music for COLOR PURPLE were made between Spielberg and Quincy Jones, but Jones farmed out the music to God knows how many orchestrators -- and, to his great credit, insisted that all of them share his Oscar nomination. That is the largest number of people ever to be mentioned on stage, nominated for a single Oscar, at one time.

    Spielberg also conferred with Jerry Goldsmith on POLTERGEIST and his own segment of TWILIGHT ZONE. Other than the examples already mentioned, including a couple of other TV movies and shows he did, I think that's the extent of his Williamsless work. Since Williams' music is often as not every bit as much a CHARACTER in Spielberg's films as, for instance, Elfman's music tells much of the story in Burton's movies, I think Spielberg is making the right (if conservative) choice for his own approach. We must also consider that the two are not merely collaborators, but close personal friends. We should all be so lucky as to work with good friends.

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    posted 03-10-2000 08:35 PM PT (US)     

     Cole
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    I was the one who said that Speilberg has it in his contract that he will not do a movie unless Williams will score it. And yes you must take into account that they are great friends and they obviously prefer to work with one another. Of course I guess only Spielberg/Williams knows for sure (and I dont mean our friend here hehe) I will be the first to admit that there are defficiencies in the legitamcy of a claim. Can any one else here prove me right or wrong?

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    posted 03-11-2000 12:44 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    I think I read (probably in the "Poltergeist" liner notes) that Williams couldn't do the score to that one because he was still working on "E.T.", so Spielberg took the opportunity to do one film together with Goldsmith, which he really wanted to do anyway.

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    posted 03-11-2000 11:56 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    That makes a kind of sense, Marian, though for the record, it wasn't in the POLTERGEIST liner notes that you read it. WHERE you did, I don't know, but it's a reasonable assumption.

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    posted 03-11-2000 09:27 PM PT (US)     

     Nicolai P. Zwar
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    Hmmm... Marian is probably right... it was in Jon Burlingame's liner notes for the Rhino POLTERGEIST release that I read it, too.

    In any case, it is well known that Spielberg is a huge admirer of John Williams (not to mention that they are friends by now), so why should he work with another composer together? They work very well together, so well that in some cases Spielberg does not even supervise the scoring, just letting Williams do more or less whatever he wants to.

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    posted 03-12-2000 03:23 AM PT (US)     

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    Don't forget the fact that since Spielberg isn't going to direct JP3, Williams isn't going to score it anymore. The only thing that makes me mad is the fact that every single score to a Spielberg/Williams movie is available on cd except their first movie, The Sugarland Express. Now even thouh this isn't one of Williams better scores, it would still be nice to be able to own all of Williams' scores to all of Spielberg's movies. Anyone else agree?

    Jasom

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    posted 03-12-2000 04:24 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    John Burlingame in the liner notes to Rhino's "Poltergeist" release:
    "For the music of Poltergeist, producer Steven Spielberg turned to composer Jerry Goldsmith. While Spielberg's friendship with composer John Williams was well-known, Williams had already been signed to score the director's E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial, which was also scheduled for release in the summer of 1982; and Spielberg, a film-music aficionado, had loong been an admirer of Goldsmith's work."

    ...just imagine if it were the other way round - if Williams had scored "Poltergeist" and Goldsmith "E.T."

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    posted 03-13-2000 06:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Jasom,
    dont forget that it might be the other way around. after the initial sucess of Jurassic Park it was publicly stated that Spielberg had been contracted to direct a 2nd as well as a 3rd JP movie. Perhaps this is one case where Spielberg had a cathc 22 within his contract. He had sighned to do 2 other movies...John Williams did not. So perhaps Spielberga wanted to go ahead with The Lost World but not a 3rd movie. Willams wasnt bound contactually and didnt want to do a 3rd movie (and neither did Spielberg) So they decided that John wouldnt accept composing resposibilities thereby contractually freeing Spielberg from having to direct it...but its still going to be made with out the dynamic duo. just speculation that I have heard - and an interesting explanation. Do I sound to Much like my name should be Fox on a show called The Score-Files?
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    posted 03-13-2000 07:16 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Someone like Spielberg doesn't contract for more than one movie at a time. Even at the time of the original JURASSIC PARK, he was still TOO big to bind himself in that fashion. The studio needed HIM; he didn't need THEM. In my opinion, he made THE LOST WORLD because he knew he was in an impossible bind when it came to following SCHINDLER'S LIST -- it almost didn't matter WHAT he did, so he chose the path of least resistance. At the same time, wary of keeping his "serious" reputation intact, he had AMISTAD all lined up for release later the same year.

    As for Williams, he's a champion at worming out of contracts for pictures he decides not to do (but all composers who get to a certain level have done that at one time or another). I frankly wouldn't be TOO surprised if Williams DID agree to do JP3 -- if Spielberg asked him to, he probably would. It really depends on how hands-on Spielberg intends to be, and what kind of movie we'll be seeing.

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    posted 03-13-2000 08:48 PM PT (US)     

     SBD
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    Marian: Verrrrrrrry interesting,... but improbable.

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    posted 03-15-2000 06:39 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    SBD: Agreed.

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