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Topic: Book Vs. Movie: Which is Better?

MWRuger

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Almost everyone says "The book was better than the movie." That's fair. I have said the same myself.But what about the flip side? Are there movies that are better than the book they are reportedly based on? I think that there are. There are two kinds of this rare beast:
One: Movies where they license the title, but the title is all they use. (Think about almost all of the James Bond movies)
Two: The movie is based on the book, but is so different as to be an almost be completely unrecognizable by readers of the book.
One of my favorite examples is Bladerunner, based on Phillip K. Dick’s “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?” because it meets both of the above criteria. The title is from a SF novel by Alan Nourse about black market medical care and a nasty little epidemic. The movie story is vastly different from its inspiration and better to my taste.The movie was surreal and married the dystopia of future LA with slick visuals and a compelling story about what it means to be human. Decker is obviously less alive than the replicants that he “retires”.
The book was almost unmemorable to me. A horrid mish-mash of conflicting characters with no real resolution. I certainly didn’t care what happened to any of the people in the book.
So. Do any of you have similar observations?
posted 03-02-2000 12:36 PM PT (US) 
JoeInSanDiego

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I thought the film CARRIE was much better than the novel...same with THE DEAD ZONE. I would disagree with you on the Bond films though...I thought the books were fantastic.NP - The Rock (Zimmer, Glennie-Smith, Gregson-Williams) ****/*****
posted 03-02-2000 01:20 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Joe, I also thought the books were great, but they fit the rule of "Used the title only"I read 'em all and there was almost nothing from the books in the movies.
Sorry for the confusion!
posted 03-02-2000 02:41 PM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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Most of the time, the book is better (Michael chrichton book-based movies, for example)Rarely, the film is better (12 Angry Men, the old B&W film, not the new one)
And sometimes, the book and film is just... different (Ghost in the Shell, Fight Club)
posted 03-02-2000 03:02 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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I have trouble mixing and matching the media. I will say that the film version of "Legends of the Fall" surpassed the novella, however, that's the only instance where I felt compelled to note the difference between book and movie. For the most part, I have to accept them as two different media forms, and acknowledge that there will be similarities and difference, but that is no reason to prefer one to the other.
posted 03-02-2000 04:00 PM PT (US) 
Dave

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How about I throw another Stephen King movie/book out there. The Shining movie was great! One of Kubrick's best. The book to me, eventhough I liked it seemed to go on forever with endless descriptions and information on areas other then the story. It became tedious at points to read. The movie scared the pants off of me as a kid. The visuals of those little twin girls in the hall way made it a horrific ritual just to walk to my room at night. Plus you just have to love Jack Nicholson.dave
posted 03-02-2000 04:13 PM PT (US) 
PeterD

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I think "Psycho" is another example of a movie that improved on the book. Not to take anything away from Robert Bloch for coming up with the plot -- which the movie followed quite closely -- but Joseph Stefano changed (and deepened) the characterizations considerably, and added some great dialogue, and of course, there was Hitchcock's direction, and terrific performances by Anthony Perkins and Janet Leigh, and Herrmann's music . . .
posted 03-02-2000 06:33 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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The Age of Innocence
Bram Stoker's Dracula
The Last of the Mohicans
2001
All the Tom Clancy movies (simply because they novels are so damned huge and the films don't drag as much)These are my favs. Most books don't translate well into film, unfortunately. This is the reason why they are BOOKS!! (Since I plan to be a writer I tend to notice these things)
[This message has been edited by AaronR1074 (edited 02 March 2000).]
posted 03-02-2000 07:06 PM PT (US) 
robin4

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How 'bout any Frankenstein movie? I haven't read it, but I've heard that it is completely horrible, a giant bore.Anyways, don't take this personally Aaron, but I love the books of Tom Clancy and especially The Last of the Mohicans which have never been correctly transferred. My fav part in Mohicans is when Hawkeye dresses up like a bear and this has never happened in any movie (that I've seen). I think the latest rendition, which had some good parts, was absolutely horrible when it came to the end of it. What a quick and incorrect finish!
posted 03-02-2000 07:25 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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JAWS is definitely a better movie than it is a book. (This message edited because I can't believe I said the exact opposite the first time. My God! It's a wonder any of you ever took me seriously again.)A lot of people will point to THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1-2-3 as a better movie than book, although I treasure the novel (it taught me so much about how to write from characters' points-of-view.)
In some cases, I think I've been lucky to see movies before I read certain books, so I was able to take away what was good about the movie without getting irritated about what had been left out from the book -- I specifically mention THE RELIC as an example of this. A decent little monster movie, but the novel is SO MUCH MORE. (Original title was simply "RELIC," sans the "the.")
There are so few decent movies with Stephen King's name on them that I don't even want to go into that one; but Graham Masterton's intriguing freshman novel THE MANITOU was filmed in 1978, and follows the book almost scene-for-scene, while keeping virtually none of the humor or atmosphere. A splendid primer for "How Not To Do It."
William Peter Blatty is an infinitely better screenwriter and director than he is a novelist -- I mainly speak of the frequently ponderous nature of his prose; his imagination is peerless -- his own film of LEGION (EXORCIST III) is a vast improvement over his own novel. On the other hand, his novel of THE EXORCIST fills in some fascinating gaps, things the movie couldn't tell us about the same characters.
NP: CASPER ("Casper's Lullaby," I don't have the patience for the full album, but this one tune is adorable)
[Message edited by H Rocco on 02-16-2001]
posted 03-02-2000 07:59 PM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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To me, Jaws and The Taking Of Pelham One, Two Three are the epitomes of superior films to the book. Jaws is bogged down with the whole Hooper-Ellen affair and Mayor Vaughan and the Mafia and there is very little sense of adventure and fun. In "Pelham" the novel's weakness is that it has none of the wit and humor that Peter Stone brought in with his script (Stone is probably one of the most gifted writers ever, and we "1776" fans should know that, shouldn't we?
) and also lacks a strong central character.
posted 03-02-2000 09:07 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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How about Steve King's Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption , A good example of FILM and BOOK being equal?!NP : LIVING DAYLIGHTS - John somebodyoranother
posted 03-03-2000 04:08 AM PT (US) 
Nicolai P. Zwar

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I, for one, do not believe it makes any sense whatsoever to say "the book is better than the movie" or "the movie is better than the book"... I have heard it said too often by too many people who know little of either. Especially "the book is better than the movie" is mentioned even by people who I don't think have ever read anything beyond "Mickey Mouse", perhaps in an effort to disguise their intellectual shortcomings. In any case, I find it always suspicious if somebody tells me "oh, the book was so much better than the movie".
No, movies and books are two completely different media, and it's comparing apples and oranges to say "this is better". That's like asking: "What is better, Friedrich Nietsche's ALSO SPRACH ZARATHUSTRA or Richard Strauss'? Of course, there have been good movies based on bad books, and some movies based on excellent books have been poor, but I still prefer to judge every movie and every book on its own merrits or lack thereof.
Often, people are disappointed with a movie if they have read the book beforehand because the movie's images interfere with their own imagination, and the storyline often goes into a different direction, and at least subconsciously they expect the movie to mirror their own view of the book rather than the one of the director/producer. In my experience, this is much less of a problem if you see the movie *first* and *then* read the novel or story on which is was based. So if there is a movie coming out based on an acclaimed book you have not read, chances are you'll probably get more enjoyment out of either work if you watch the movie first and read the book afterwards.
NP: David Shire "The Taking of Pelham 123" (Retrograde)[This message has been edited by Nicolai P. Zwar (edited 03 March 2000).]
posted 03-03-2000 04:15 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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This isn't a question of which is intrinsically better, it is a question of which gave you more pleasure. In other words: “Which did you enjoy more?” As an avid reader, I almost always prefer the book, but occasionally I get surprised. Get Shorty. The book was good, but the movie had such great style.Let me add another title: Planet of Apes
I read the book before I saw the movie. I almost didn’t see the film. SF dressed up as social commentary. Ugh!
PS. Gotta weigh in on the side of Tom Clancy’s early stuff. Much better as books. There is just too much to put on the screen. The best of the lot was Hunt for Red October, the best of the books as well. It was true to the spirit of the book while foregoing some of the details.The Shining: The scene with the twin girls is what everybody remembers, because it is the most chilling scene.
As an aside, Kubrick rejected the idea of animated hedges in favor of the maze. At the time, it would have had to be done using stop motion and that would have clashed with the visual style of the film. I was a little disappointed, although I understood his reasoning.
When I watched the remake with the CGI hedge animals, I realized that Kubrick was right to reject the concept.
[This message has been edited by MWRuger (edited 09 March 2000).]
posted 03-03-2000 07:07 AM PT (US) 
Leopoldskron
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I can only think of two examples where I thought the movie was better than the book; and about a thousand examples where I thought the book was better than the movie.I found Jaws a better film, than book (the book kept going back to those senseless sex moments between Hooper and the Chief's wife - it didn't make any sense, and it kept interrupting the shark story)
Also, I thought Carrie was a better film than book; but it is the only example of a Stephen King book that I found superior on film. Every other King book is a billion times better than its film version (i.e, "The Shining", which was the scariest book I ever read, and the miscast, edited film wasn't scary at all).
posted 03-03-2000 11:31 AM PT (US) 
DjC

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Well, this is the opposite but...The Battlefield Earth movie coming out looks like it will slaughter the original book, Battlefield Earth. I cannot stand John Travolta, a bad actor now at his age, he slaughters movies, ahh!
posted 03-03-2000 12:21 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Mr. Zwar just said EXACTLY what I meant, and more coherently as well.Apples and oranges ... INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE is an interesting picture at first look, but the cumulative effect of it is quite boring. The novel is denser, but I'm not sure it's more intriguing -- it's just different. I find Anne Rice repellent, to be honest. INTERVIEW is certainly her best work -- all of her later stuff gives me a big old rash.
BATTLEFIELD EARTH: never read the book, although Hubbard seems like such a ... character ... that I'd be curious to crack one or another of his volumes.
Almost as curious as I am to see this weird Travolta picture. (Can you spell "vanity production," boys and girls? This will be one for the ages. Images are downloadable at the ever-reliable IMDb.)
NP: BIRTH OF THE JAPANESE ISLANDS (Akira Ifukube, 1970) (not to be confused with THE BIRTH OF JAPAN, also by Akira Ifukube, 1959)
posted 03-03-2000 01:37 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Ok, I'll be a wisecrack for a day. Shouldn't we all vote for the movie over the book? I can think of thousands of scores and soundtracks for the movie, but only one example of a score for a book. What gives?
PeterK
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posted 03-03-2000 01:41 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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A friend told me that Steven King hates Kubrick's film version of "The Shining". For me, it's a very impressive film. The shocking elements in the films are the cuts. You KNOW that any moment the scene with the two girls will appear, and you WAIT for it. But it doesn't pop up instantly, and when it does, it comes do suddenly that you get scared. The last time I watched it (late in the night), I had to turn it off after 30 minutes because I just couldn't stand those cuts!
NP: Nothing, have to change CDs.
posted 03-03-2000 02:02 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Certainly novels do provide plot lines and scripts for movies, but I agree that comparing
them since they are different artistic mediums is often like comparing “apples and
oranges.” A good example is Kesey’s novel ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S
NEST. The movie chose to script only about one-third of the novel and concentrate on
the Randall McMurphy character. He is there to take on an unfair, inhumane mental
health system adeptly represented by the Nurse Ratched. The movie was well-done with
Oscar worthy performances. The novel, however, really has the giant Indian as the main
character. It would almost be impossible to accurately film the novel since the Indian is
quite insane and is the first person narrator. It is a difficult read for a while because the
reader must see through the eyes of an insane man. To him, the mental institution shoves
giant wheels, cogs, and machines down his throat because he isn’t rational enough to
recognize medication, shots, etc. The novel takes place in the Northwest and is really a
story of the destruction and emasculation of the Oregon/Washington Indian tribes due to
treaties, dams, and alcoholism. Along comes Randall who slowly eases the Indian into
sanity as McMurphy fights the rigid, conformist Establishment represented by the mental
institution, whose primary job is to not heal the ill but to make conforming rubber stamps
that will be good little robotic citizens when released. Randall is a Christ symbol who
gathers his disciples and sacrifices himself for them. You have a novel full of rich themes
with an almost Poe-like narrator. It wouldn’t transfer to film. The movie is rich in
characterization but with more simple, straight-forward action and themes.Another rather even draw between novel and movie was Lonesome Dove, a rich,
wonderful, lllooonnnggg McMurtry novel that was, thank goodness, given a mini series
treatment instead of a cursory two hour film release. However, his novel Terms of
Endearment was for me unreadable, while the film is one of my favorites. (What is this odd format???)NP Lonesome Dove *****/*****
[This message has been edited by joan hue (edited 03 March 2000).]
posted 03-03-2000 06:21 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Blade Runner, Shawshank Redemption, Farewel to the King, Jaws were BETTER than the books.The Shining (and almost all King's adaptations), Dune, Jurassic Park were much WORST than the books.
posted 03-03-2000 06:58 PM PT (US) 
Richard

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Misery was a fantasmic film, but the book surpassed it.
The Firm as a novel was better than the film, as was Jaws and especially The Shining, which as a book, wasn't nearly as good.
posted 03-04-2000 03:25 AM PT (US) 
John Maher

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I must agree with Stephen King. "The Shining" is a lousy film adaptation of his ultra-scary book. In fact, all the scary parts, and the entire point of the book, are eliminated from the film. Jack Nicholson's performance is so unsubtle, that it is laughable, not scary. He looks deranged when the film begins; and any actress who cannot wash their hair for a part in a film (see Shelly Duvall in "The Shining"), doesn't deserve to be in it. I remember being so excited to go see this film, in the theater, when it opened. I thought it had a very atmospheric title sequence, and I really thought this was going to be a memorable movie going experience. About 20 minutes into it, I was painfully aware that this was not Stephen King's great novel, brought to life on the screen, but a Kubrick mess. I should have known better. I never saw a Kubrick filmed that I didn't think was a mess. Not ever!
posted 03-07-2000 01:37 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Indeed, John. You've said it all.
King's "The Shining" is one of the most brilliant horror books I've ever read. The movie had some nice moments, but was very weak and senseless as a whole.
Very disapointing...
posted 03-07-2000 02:58 PM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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I still think that it is fair to say which of the two you enjoyed more.I agree that they are dissimilar media, and that comparing is difficult, but it should be possible to say which you enjoyed more and why.
Example: The Caine Mutiny
All in all, very enjoyable in all its incarnations.
I first saw the movie and I thought it was awesome, being completely sucked in by who the "real" mutineer was.
Then I read the book and it was very different. It took the story in a completely different direction. The mutiny was just one part of Willie's voyage of self-discovery.
Finally, I read the play, The Caine Mutiny Court Martial. It focused the story on just the trial and told its tale through very dramatic scenes.
Which is better? Well I enjoyed the book the most so I would say that it was the best interpretation of the story. (The others were great, it's just that the book totally rocked).
PS The Shining – Whether you like the film or not, consider that the way it came out was almost entirely Kubrick. Judging from stories that I have read, on a Kubrick film, his was the only vision driving it. If Shelly Duvall’s hair was nasty or Jack Nicholson seemed deranged, you can bet that Kubrick wanted it that way. He was a perfectionist and didn’t mind re-shooting until he got EXACTLY what he wanted.
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