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sabbey

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I had just bought my first CD of his work an disc entitled "Film Scores of Miklós Rózsa" from Angel Records.My first question is, is there any other scores of his you can suggest to me? How is the Miklós Rózsa at MGM 2 CD set?
And last, when listening to that CD, there was an selection of music from King of Kings, anyway was it just me or did it sound almost exactly like the main theme to SeaQuest DSV from John Debney? I wonder if JD was paying an homage or ripping off MR?
BTW, sorry if this has been mentioned before, however seeing as I just heard King of
Kings, I think it is understandable.
Well thanks.
Regards,
Sean Robert Abbeyposted 02-16-2000 05:42 PM PT (US) 
SplbrgWlms

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I liked El Cid, Ben Hur, and most of all... Time After Time.Does anyone know where I could get a CD copy of Time After Time? I have the LP and I wish I could have a CD.
NP: Hoffa ****/*****
posted 02-16-2000 06:19 PM PT (US) 
Aaron Collins

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I do not know if I am thinking of the same cd as you. But, I personally love The Thief of Baghdad.Miklos Rozsa is an AWESOME composer. He really did a great job and has a distinct style that I love!
Later,
AaronNP: SPR
posted 02-16-2000 08:36 PM PT (US) 
Marcelo Ferreyra

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Hi Sean,here's Marcelo again.
I think You should get the "BEN HUR" 2CD set
from RHINO and the Gerhardt compilation
"SPELLBOUND The Classics Film Scores Of Miklos Rosza" on RCA/BMG.
The Ben Hur CD's are amazing.
And the Gerhardt one (Amazing as well)
has:
The Red House (12.33)
The Thief Of Bagdad (4.45)
The Lost Weekend (9.45)
Double Indemnity (3.18)
Knights Of Round Table (1.17)
The Jungle Book (3.28)
Spellbound (5.25)
-The Dream sequence
Ivanhoe (5.27)Also very recomendable are the
re recordings od Ivanhoe and Julius Caesar
conducted by Bruce Broughton
This two ones from Intrada.There is a CD with three suites from Mr Rosza
in Varese that includes King Of Kings,
Ben Hur and El Cid but the performance of
the orchestra is not very good,especially the brass,and with Mr Rosza this is essencial.
I don't recommend this one.
This CD is performed by the Nuremberg Symphony Orchestra conducted by
Richard Muller Lampertz.
Other good Roszas bits that I have but I don't know for shure if they could be hard to find are:A HISTORY OF HITCHCOCK
ial M For Murder
FILM CD 137 (Silva)
One of the tracks is
SPELLBOUND,Concerto For Orchestra.(9.34)
A suite of the score original by Mr RoszaGREAT EPIC FILM SCORES
Contains a suite of EL CID from the
original soundtrack.
Only music,not with sound effects.
And it runs about 20 minutesPSYCHO,GREAT HITCHCOCK MOVIE THRILLERS
LONDON 436.797.2
Contains the Spellbound theme conducted by Stanley Black.About 4 minutes.
The rest are Herrmann suites conducted by himself.I don't know yet about the MGM 2CD set,
but is in my future plans to buy it.Best
M.F.posted 02-16-2000 09:41 PM PT (US) 
Marcelo Ferreyra

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I forgot one.
There is a CD entitled
"GREAT SHAKESPEARE FILMS"conducted by
Bernard Herrmann that has a 13 minutes suite from Julius Caesar.
I like more the Broughton rendition,
it seems to be more entusiastic and the balances are more homogeneous.
The Hermann version is so dark with slower tempos and preponderancy of low registers.
But this a matter of taste I guess.posted 02-16-2000 09:46 PM PT (US) 
Marcelo Ferreyra

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Just erasing the repeated reply.[This message has been edited by Marcelo Ferreyra (edited 02 March 2000).]
posted 02-16-2000 09:50 PM PT (US) 
sabbey

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Well thanks everyone, you really have given me some great suggestions.As I am going to get my haircut this weekend and was planning on picking up an couple discs at my local The Wherehouse, I think I'll see about picking up the MGM set.
I did love what I heard of Ben-Hur, though I probably should get another compilation of MR, to get more of an sampling of his work beforehand.
Either way, I am definitely going to get more of his work.

Regards,
Sean Robert Abbeyposted 02-16-2000 11:17 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Hey Sabbey! Congrats on buying your first Rozsa CD.The Rozsa at MGM is a good collection that gives you Lust For Life, Knights of the Round Table, and those great preludes to Moonfleet and World, Flesh, & The Devil.
I'd also recommend the following:
The Epic Film Music of MR conducted by Ken Alwyn--
This has a re-recording of the Quo Vadis suite that is on the CD you picked up but also great stuff from Ben-Hur, Sodom and Gommorah, and Golden Voyage of Sinbad.
The Gerhardt Spellbound as mentioned above--you can compare Gerhardt's version of The Red House to the one on your CD plus you get great cues from Four Feathers, Thief of Bagdad, The Jungle Book, etc.
There is the Varese Lust for Life & Background to Violence suites (great film noir scores).
Intrada lists The Thief of Bagdad/Jungle Book CD--both great scores.
Lastly, Screen Archives has 2 CDs taken from the 3 Deutche Grammophon albums that Rozsa conducted in the 70s---great stuff on these: Knight Without Armour, Red Danube, Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, Double Indemnity, Lydia, 5 Graves to Cairo, Knights of the Round Table, Moonfleet. The CDs are expensive but now that I consider it, this is probably the stuff to go for.
posted 02-17-2000 12:49 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Sean, you don't have "Ben Hur" yet? Get the Rhino 2CD set NOW. It's AWESOME! Great sound too, considering that it was recorded in 1959 (I'm still amazed that they did the movie in stereo; so many movies from the early 80's were still in mono).
posted 02-17-2000 05:52 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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Shaun:I have a copy of "The Epic Film Music of Miklos Rozsa" that Lou mentioned up for sale/trade. Let me know if you're interested, ok?
posted 02-17-2000 08:15 AM PT (US) 
Gae

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I second all the Rozsa recommendations mentioned above. Rozsa is one of (if not) my favourite film composer. I have a question though for all you other Rozsa afficionados. Am I the only person to have the soundtrack to "Eye of the Needle"? I have been on the Rozsa official web site and read many posts about him and never seen any mention of what to me is a neglected masterpiece and my all time favourite Rozsa score. I picked it up on LP back in the 80's have worn it down to a shred and it doesn't seem available on CD. He wrote it at age 73 and brought a lifetime of knowledge and expertise into this stunning score. I think one of the reasons its been overlooked is becaused it was terribly dubbed in the final movie and can sometimes not be heard over sound effects etc..but it raises the movie to emotional heights that the film on its own would not have achieved (good as it is).
NP The King and I Gae[This message has been edited by Gae (edited 17 February 2000).]
posted 02-17-2000 02:42 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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"Ben Hur" was a prime example of the Hollywood epic that was being used to combat television in the late fifties. As a result, it was photographed in Ultra-Panavision (an anamorphic 70 millimeter process yielding the ribbon- like 2.76:1 aspect ratio) and recorded in stereo. During the sixties and seventies, as television became an unfightable institution, costs were cut in both image (using the lesser quality 35 millimeter film than the detailed 70 millimeter gauge) and sound (stereo gave way to mono, again, except in special cases).The "Time After Time" CD was available for a very long time on John Lasher's label (Southern Cross or Fifth Continent or Label X or Entr'acte or whatever the @#$% he wants to call it today) and can still be found here and there. It is highly recommended.
I also really liked "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid" on Prometheus (conducted by Lee Holdridge!), although I have met quite a few people that didn't like it as much as I did.
My favorite Rozsa score is "El Cid," but the Sony release of the original soundtrack recording is no longer available, and the Koch recording, although longer and with better sound, does not handle the battle music as well. I have never seen this film, is it any good?
The 2CD "Ben Hur" is fantastic. Buy it now. Stop reading this post and go buy it. NOW, I said!!!!
posted 02-17-2000 02:51 PM PT (US) 
Tom Scofield
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There is no offense meant to anybody here, but I would have to say the Rozsa is better than just about any now-living film composer. His best music is immortal, and while he had his influences, his style is totally unique and the depth of his emotional connection to the film medium has never been bettered.If you approach El Cid with the proper frame of mind, it is a truly satisfying spectacle and a wonderful kind of movie that we may never see produced again. It always amazed me that Allied Artists footed the bill for this one. Bravo to them! It's one of Martin Scorsese's favorite films, and I agree with him completely.
[This message has been edited by Tom Scofield (edited 17 February 2000).]
posted 02-17-2000 03:53 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Gae, No!, your not alone I also have Eye of the Needle ( on l.p. ) Damn good score too.......But I've never seen the film staring donald Sutherland??!NP : The Beyondness of Things - John Barry
posted 02-17-2000 06:50 PM PT (US) 
JEC
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I met Miklos Rozsa in 1977 while a student in David Raksin's film music class at USC. Each week we watched a motion picture and afterwards discussed its score. The first film we watched, naturally, was "Laura".On this occasion, we were watching "Thief of Bagdad." Rozsa arrived towards the end of the screening, discussed the score, and fielded questions. He was very gracious. Afterwards, I got him to sign my copies of "Jungle Book", "Time to Love and a Time to Die", "Spellbound/Red House," and "Sodom and Gomorrah." He was suprised that someone would have them.
I remember talking with him while he signed them, but can't remember what I said. Probably something stupid.
Later on, I had to dispose of my vinyl collection to pay expenses. The signed Rozsa's were some of the first to go. I'm still kicking myself for not at least keeping them.
posted 02-17-2000 08:09 PM PT (US) 
Marcelo Ferreyra

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Hey Jec,don't kick yourselfe.
The LP's are gone but You have the wonderfull and uniques experiences of being with "The Master".
That's great!!!
posted 02-17-2000 09:33 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Hi Timmer, wow not only another Brit but you have "Eye of the Needle" too. Funnily enough I picked mine up at Swansea (not far from Bristol) while at Uni. Catch the movie if you can...its a good movie but the music elevates it to greatness in my opinion by making it so much more emotional and dramatic than it is alone. Shame its not on CD...I'd whip it up if it was. I dont know what it is about this score but it has just become one of my all time favourites over the years. It took me a long time to get to know it...I'm curious to how well do you know it...very well, or have you just heard it a few times? Anyway, thanks.
JEC? You met the maestro, wow...I'm so jealous. 1977 he'd have been scoring "Providence". How could you have sold those signed Lps? I've got a signed copy of "The Old Man and the Sea" by Dimitri Tiomkin! Its a promo Lp and the signature reads something like the following( the writing is difficult to read!)
"To Andy & Virginia
with best wishes
from husband? at
Albertona?
Rasch?"
Dimitri Tiomkin
Also theres a stamped message saying
"Many thanks Barney McDeritt? or McDevitt?"If anyone knows anything about Tiomkin and the above signature I'd appreciate it. The question marks are because I'm not sure if these words are correct. Gae NP Stargate
[This message has been edited by Gae (edited 18 February 2000).]
posted 02-18-2000 12:29 PM PT (US) 
sabbey

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Hi everyone,Well there is good and bad news, I was going to get my haircut, though was so busy I did not have time to, so I did not make it to The Wherehouse. Unfortunately I could only make it to my local store, which is the only near by music store available to me, let's just say it has an selection worse than an airport lobby shop.
I did look for the Miklos Rozsa MGM set, the bad news is they did not have it.
However did get Michael Kamen's Mr. Holland's Opus and Hans Zimmer's Prince of
Egypt.
The good news is I found it online at Barnes and Noble, and ordered with an $10 off coupon for $20. I also wanted the Ben-Hur set, but only had enough for the one. Maybe next time I'll get it.
Anyway thanks again for all the suggestions.
Regards,
Sean Robert Abbeyposted 02-24-2000 12:17 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
