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    Topic:   Die Hard and Lethal Weapon

     robin4
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    In my opinoin, some of the best cop movies. And all are composed by Kamen! But they also have small releases (if any). A while back, some people were talking about these scores being re-released (or thus for the first time). Anybody know of any plans? I thought I heard Kamen himself was going to release these. Anybody know?

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    posted 02-14-2000 03:31 PM PT (US)     

     SEBULBA
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    I haven't heard anything about this, but that would be awesome!! I have both already on cd, but I'd like to get a commercial release, especially with extra music. The Die Hard I have was a promo by Kamen, but only 50 min.

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    posted 02-14-2000 04:33 PM PT (US)     

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    DIE HARD (as you should know) is planned to be released on CD as a compilation with music from all three films, much like THE BACK TO THE FUTURE TRILOGY.

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    posted 02-14-2000 05:12 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I haven't heard about a DIE HARD TRILOGY album. I DO know that a CD was produced several years ago, as part of the Fox Records CDs that Varese eventually took over. The CD was to open with Elliot Goldenthal's distortion of the 20th Century Fox Fanfare from ALIEN 3; then move into 40-odd minutes from PREDATOR; then a 15-or-20 minute suite from the first DIE HARD.

    I think it extremely unlikely that this album will be issued now (it's been in gestation for something like seven years, with no results); and it's equally unlikely, to my mind, that there would be a DIE HARD TRILOGY album since the latter two scores got full CD release at their respective times.

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    posted 02-14-2000 07:20 PM PT (US)     

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    Are you sure? I read that a trilogy CD was in fact on the way, courtesy of Varese I believe.

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    posted 02-14-2000 07:21 PM PT (US)     

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    That might be a rerecording of some kind, a la their BATMAN trilogy CD. I haven't heard about it in a while, but I can't say it won't happen.

    I WILL say I think it's a bit of a waste of time, unless there's a lot of unrecorded stuff from 2 & 3 we really need to hear. (Could be, could be.)

    I was told that a great deal of DIE HARD 2 was ghostwritten, partly because of scheduling and partly because Kamen hated director Renny Harlin. Notice that huge batch of orchestrators, including the recently popular Don Davis. Don Davis is supposed to have ghosted much of DIE HARD 2, and some of that even appears on the Varese album (don't know for sure which cues, but some of it is supposed to be more or less rewritten cues from Davis' BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.)

    I also understand that Kamen basically wrote TWO different scores for DIE HARD 3 -- the one we hear in the movie, and the one we hear on the CD.

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    posted 02-14-2000 10:17 PM PT (US)     

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    The major track missing in Die Hard 3 is that awesome end title, with Johnny Comes Marching Home, which is sprinkled throughout the movie. We really need these rereleased ala the AWESOME Star Wars Trilogy and the BRAND-SPANKING NEW Superman!

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    posted 02-15-2000 03:20 PM PT (US)     

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    Sebulba, that's not a promo, that's a bootleg.

    A boot of the Kamen tracks from the original "Lethal Weapon" album is floating around. It also has his score for "Mona Lisa" on it, which is very good.

    H Rocco, you can pretty much forget about the Fox album. When they lost their deal at Arista, the label went into limbo, and most of those albums went south.

    I heard there were some additional problems with the release regarding the re-use fees, as both "Die Hard" and "Predator" were recorded in Los Angeles.

    I don't think that Fox had the carte blanche they originally did (don't forget that Arista dropped them because of disappointing sales on everything but "Star Wars" and a few of their musicals... we have them to thank for the release of such classics as Herrmann's "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Jane Eyre," Raksin's "Laura" and Newman's "The Robe," but nobody else gives a damn).

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    posted 02-15-2000 05:26 PM PT (US)     

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    www.footlight.com has the original score to Lethal Weapon 3 as a used CD. Check `em out.

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    posted 02-15-2000 05:56 PM PT (US)     

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    H Rocco,
    I just want to say that I really appreciate your comments on this board. You're one of the good ones, pal! Every time I read one of your posts, I learn something new. I'm going to get that Beauty And The Beast disc now!

    Thanks,
    Shaun

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    posted 02-15-2000 07:05 PM PT (US)     

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    Lethal Weapon was the greatest postmod cop movie ever, in my opinion, before Michael Mann's Heat.

    Bought the original lp the day I saw the flic on Hollywood blvd. Of course most of those intense modernisms were missing.

    Page Cook dissed the score in FilmS In Review for its architectonic dissonance and mechanistic inhumanity leaving necessary traits of compassion and ordering principles behind in favor of a world-view of obligationless cutthroat irresponsibility. I took it as a massive emotional juggernaut perfectly suited to Riggs' nihilism not to mention Richard Donner's turbo-driven overhaul of the genre. Clapton and Sanborn's contribution added a lot of heart. Extremely influential score with its titanium-coated blitzkrieg of activity.

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    posted 02-15-2000 07:27 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Shaun,

    Thanks! Good to know I'm having an effect, preferably a positive one.

    NP: nothing, I'd wake the house up.

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    posted 02-15-2000 11:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Rocco, if the music's too loud, then they're TOO DAMN OLD!

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    posted 02-16-2000 02:07 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    YOU try explaining that to em ...

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    posted 02-16-2000 02:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Goldenthal's Alien3 version of the Fox Fanfare alone would be worth the price of a CD!

    NP: The Ninth Gate (still... ; Kilar)

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    posted 02-16-2000 04:33 PM PT (US)     

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    A note on the *original* PREDATOR album: Intrada was planning to release it. The score was originally set to record in Budapest, which was a popular place for a little while -- Goldsmith did a lot of pictures there, including HOOSIERS, LIONHEART and KING SOLOMON'S MINES. And the rerecording of ISLANDS IN THE STREAM.

    However, after one day of recording PREDATOR in Budapest, the performance was considered so bad that the production pulled out and moved everything back to Los Angeles. Hence, Intrada could no longer afford the fees involved.

    A similar thing happened on TOTAL RECALL: Goldsmith conducted a few sessions with the Graunke Symphony in Munich (with which he'd worked before) and decided that the Graunke just wasn't picking it up. He was able to demand the National Symphony in London, and that's what we wound up with.

    (I understand that the National, the London Symphony, the Royal Philharmonic and so on, are all pickup orchestras that are commonly made up of more or less the same people. One is purchasing the name, not separate sets of performers. Can anyone confirm or deny this?)

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    posted 02-16-2000 11:43 PM PT (US)     

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    When I mastered my cd of the complete Alien score, I added on the Fox Fanfare from Alien 3. I pulled it off of the DVD as well. It's pretty cool.

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    posted 02-17-2000 08:07 AM PT (US)     

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    The National Philharmonic IS in fact a pick-up orchestra, led by Sidney Sax, consisting of members of several other of the major London orchestras. The personel, as I understand it, is as consistant as any orchestra; it just does not exist outside of the film music recording (or re-recording) world.

    The London Symphony and Royal Philharmonic Orchestras are NOT like that. In fact, these are two of the orchestras in which musicians from the National Philharmonic Orchestra come from. Each of the major orchestras have a particular "sound," usually because of the influence of their conductor-in-residence, and, while personel may come and go, the sound remains relatively the same, giving the orchestra its sonic identity.

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