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Topic:   scores you like, but the majority seem to hate

 dantoris
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"Con Air"
"Deep Rising"
"The Peacemaker"
"The Shadow"
"Sudden Death"
"Under Siege 2: Dark Territory"
"U.S. Marshals"

Personally, I see all these scores as one thing, and one thing only: just plain fun.

Some of the greatest scores ever written? No.

Some of the worst scores? Possibly.

Boring beyond belief? Certainly not.

Any others you'd like to add?

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posted 02-13-2000 08:42 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I can't understand the mass-antipathy towards "Ladyhawke", which is one of the most original sounding scores written for a movie of that genre. Of course it's anachronistic, but I think that works within the movie--it adds to the action. It's a terrific score.


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posted 02-13-2000 08:59 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Oh, I don't know... possibly Doyl'e HAMLET. I'm always reading how boring people think that score is, but I absolutely love it.

I also liked U.S. MARSHALS, dantoris. Good score.

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posted 02-13-2000 09:22 PM PT (US)    ip  

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>Finally<, someone else likes U.S. MARSHALS. I wish the existing soundtrack was longer. I'd like to have the music from the Tommy Lee Jones/Wesley Snipes chase through the boat, cargo net & cargo hold fight. "Front Gate" may be the best track on the CD, but that fight track is the best track in the movie.

Awesome stuff!!

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posted 02-13-2000 09:29 PM PT (US)    ip  

 Rang
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I'd also add the "Cemetery Chase" as well. I agree, that was one Varese CD that should have had a longer presentation.

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posted 02-13-2000 09:38 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Well, I like Schindler's List. No Matter how awfull the rest of you think it is I say it wasnt that bad of a score.

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posted 02-13-2000 10:07 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I'd have to say Elfman's Instinct was one of the best scores of 1999.
But I have yet to find anyone who agrees with me.
I also like David Newman's Brokedown Palace.

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posted 02-13-2000 10:14 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Well I'd have to say,

The Rock
Con Air
Face/off
Batman Beyond
Tomorrow Never Dies (Video Game Version)
The World is not Enough
The Fifth Element

And too many others to mention.

Sean Robert Abbey

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posted 02-13-2000 11:08 PM PT (US)    ip  

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The Peacemaker. This one seems to get alot of grief. I love it though. Some great themes...and some good fallow up additions to themes that Zimmer wrote for Crimson Tide are expanded on.

Dave

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posted 02-14-2000 12:30 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I second Lancelot's vote for LADYHAWKE. I loved the movie and the score. I ran out and bought the LP when the film was out and when GNP/Crescendo did the longer cd, I ran out and got that too.

I freely admit that the music isn't exactly period, but I still think it works.

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posted 02-14-2000 02:53 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Mine would be GoldenEye. I just can't understand why you guys hate it so much. Perhaps all of you are looking for more Bond themes in the soundtrack. To me, I just accept it as it is.

And sabbey, The Rock and Face/Off are two of the most popular action scores in this message board. If you were at Film Music Message Board 2 years back, you will see The Rock frequently being mentioned as the best.

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posted 02-14-2000 05:21 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Yes, US Marshalls, I agree.

Others
Saving Private Ryan,
Nixon,
Stepmom,
Rosewood,
The Mummy,
The 13th Warrior,
Star Wars:The Phantom Menace
Stanley & Iris,
Always,
Deep Rising,
Leviathan,
Small Sodiers,
and many more.

Scott

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posted 02-14-2000 07:25 AM PT (US)    ip  

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A defense of LADYHAWKE:

http://home.sol.no/~oeyste/ladyhawke.htm

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posted 02-14-2000 08:14 AM PT (US)    ip  

 HAL 2000
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Dragonslayer
Lifeforce
Altered States
Extreme Prejudice
Patriot Games
Frankenstien (Doyle)
Batman Returns
Mission Impossible
The Shadow
Alien 3

The other extreme. Scores I hate that others seem to love.

Legends of The Fall
Braveheart
1941
Jaws 2
Armaggeddon
Last of The Mohicans


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posted 02-14-2000 09:38 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I don't think Vangelis gets sufficient props. Maybe for BLADE RUNNER, but he's done amazing work on pictures as various as ANTARCTICA, 1492 and THE BOUNTY, as well.

Even more controversial a choice: Eric Serra. Now, understand that I don't think his music always fits in the films he's asked to do. But I picked up the GOLDENEYE and FIFTH ELEMENT albums because I knew that, divorced from the film (and Serra's work was especially inappropriate for GOLDENEYE), I knew I would like the music on its own. (Though my favorite parts of both albums are the songs, and Serra didn't work on the GOLDENEYE song.)

I always thought it was funny that his BIG BLUE score was so popular that a SECOND album of it was issued, while the music was considered so inapppropriate in the US that Bill Conti was hired to replace him ... and no Conti album emerged, while both volumes of Serra's scores sold almost as well in the U.S. as they did in Europe, even though no one here had seen the movie with Serra's music ... (I hated THE BIG BLUE and have no intention of revisiting it, Serra version or no. Although it WAS the first time I'd ever seen Jean Reno, and I was prophetically impressed.)

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posted 02-14-2000 11:37 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Scores i love everyone else REALLY hate :

The Rock
Con Air
Face/off
The World is not Enough
Armageddon
Legend (Tangerine Dream)
1492
The Bounty (Vangelis)

I never understood.

Also scores everyone loves but i dont get :

Anything prior to 1960
Anything from Miklos Rosza : talk about being overrated
Schindler's List
Dances with Wolves

Cheers
Xav

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posted 02-14-2000 02:13 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Let's go:
The Rock
Armageddon
Always
Phantom of the Opera Composed By Misha Segal
Sleepy Hollow, as the new one!

But Cole, Schindler's List? This is a masterpiece!!
And Thor, defending Ladyhawke again? Tsc...

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posted 02-14-2000 03:06 PM PT (US)    ip  

 H Rocco
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I already defended Vangelis above.

CON AIR: Who knew Mancina and/or Rabin had it in them? The only Mancina/Rabin album I own to date.

FACE/OFF: One of the best movies I think I've ever seen, and the score is sensational.

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posted 02-14-2000 03:14 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Lots!

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posted 02-14-2000 03:14 PM PT (US)    ip  

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BadWisdom,
NOW I understand your name.

Scott

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posted 02-15-2000 07:35 AM PT (US)    ip  

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You guys are picking all the scores that I consider my favorites, like The Rock and Face/Off.

I really like the Replacement Killers and Seven Years in Tibet, I have heard some negative things about these scores. I also really like Under Siege by Gary Chang, I don't know anyone else who likes that.

Stuff I don't like that others seem to love:

Alien
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Schindler's List
Titanic
Braveheart
Pretty much anything by John Barry

Audacity

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posted 02-15-2000 07:53 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Robocop 2

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posted 02-15-2000 08:27 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I have to admit that I've never much cared for the music of Alex North, except for parts of DRAGONSLAYER, and some themes as heard on the Bay Cities CD "Unchained Melody." Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit -- and I DO know he's a TALENTED composer, I can hear the craft that he put into his work -- but most of North's stuff just leaves me cold. I was sent a promo of VIRGINIA WOOLF and traded it. I tried to persuade myself to like his rejected 2001 score. I try and I try, and it just doesn't take. Nobody can like everything, I guess.

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posted 02-15-2000 11:11 AM PT (US)    ip  

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"The 5th Element", biyatch!

Also, "Sphere"

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posted 02-15-2000 07:06 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Well, it seems to me that many of the scores some of you list, are scores that people speak highly of.

Let's take for instance:

The Rock
Face/Off
Armaggedon

These three scores listed above all have recieved many good reviews that I can remember. These all happen to be mediaventure scores. An explanation could be that some people do not like the combination of the more "contemperary" style with the orchestra.

Some people just enjoy, the orchestral approach. While others, seem to enjoy the more electronic approach with big themes, backed by percussion, and rhythmic strings.

Now, how many of you actually dislike the scores listed above?? I think that a good consensus will show that we actually all enjoy these scores.

Now, I must address BadWisdom's comments regarding Miklos Rozsa. If I had a dime for everytime I heard that same statement about Rozsa, I would only have a dime. But, I think you are right about him, there isn't much to him and his music... NOT!! He has only composed some of the best film music out there!!

Just to name a few: Ben-Hur, El Cid, The Thief of Baghdad... that is only a few of the great scores Rosza put out over the years.

My picks would include the following based on previous posts and reviews of these titles.

Saving Private Ryan
Goldeneye
Jumanji

These are scores that were labled "bad" by us in previous posts. I feel they are all good scores and I like all three of them!

Later,
Aaron

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posted 02-15-2000 07:12 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Just bought "Armagedoom" score for US$ 5. It was the worst investment of my life. Except for the nice artwork the rest of the album is 100% trash and can be used as a freesbe anytime.
The "score" consist only of orchestral + synthesizers + guitars + chorus bursts, everyone at the same note at the same time. Good for a beer commercial, but laughable to a movie.
But what else is news coming from the MV (MusicVaporizers) and its drones...

Back to topic, scores that I love and others seems to hate:

- Escape from New York (Carpenter)
- Extreme Prejudice (Goldsmith)
- Midnight Run (Elfman's finest)
- Dune (Toto)
- Crash (Shore)
- The Humanoid (Morricone)
- A Pure Formality (Morricone)

Later...

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posted 02-16-2000 10:23 AM PT (US)    ip  

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God, Andre, why would you even pay $5 when you knew in advance you were going to hate it? EVEN I KNEW in advance you were going to hate it, and I didn't even know you were going to buy it!

Of those scores on your list, all the ones I know personally, I also like a lot. I'm glad you can get into MIDNIGHT RUN, at least. That's one of his best, I agree (although I generally like Elfman more than you do).

And EXTREME PREJUDICE is certainly in my top ten Goldsmith scores ever -- maybe even top five, if I had to do that Desert Island pruning thing. (Hmm, can't prune a desert ... must think of a better metaphor.)

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posted 02-16-2000 10:37 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Rocco, old boy, I didn't know I was going to hate it. Honestly, I decided to give it a try since you can't hear anything in the movie with all that noise going around. And I'm always interested in discovering new kinds of sound.

But now I just discovered (to my great regret) that Rabin's "score" (did I say score? Sorry...) was just a part of all that noise going around...

Take care!

BTW, I'm back to FSM board! Just discovered the secret entrance...

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posted 02-16-2000 10:48 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Alot of you here seem to hate Eric Serra's stuff alot. I love his music..although I thought that the second to the last track on The Messanger was a blatant rip-off of Carmina Burana by Orff. Aside from that, you folks should try listening to GoldenEye, The Professional, and Fifth Element more closely. Some of the best synth/orchestra work I've heard since Hans Zimmer.

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posted 02-16-2000 11:25 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Elsewhere, I've said I DO like some of Serra's music. I'm not sure it's always right for the film, especially GOLDENEYE -- but listening to the score in the film, I felt I'd like the music isolated on disc, so I picked that one up, and FIFTH ELEMENT as well. I wasn't disappointed. I especially like one of those motifs he uses over and over again, the cymbal sound to mark the rhythm. (e.g. opening cue from GOLDENEYE -- not the song, the first action piece)

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posted 02-16-2000 11:41 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I love Serras' "Big Blue" and "The Professional". Both not only work very well with the movie, but are nice to listen at home.

He's a composer who realy knows how to extract a very contemporary sound from synthesizers and solo instruments, without looking like an amateur like most of the others so called "contemporary composers".
I didn't hear his score for "Joana D'arc" but I have a feeling that it can be interesting...

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posted 02-16-2000 02:11 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Pathetic crap I get a laugh at every now and then for entertainment:

Zimmer's Backfire I mean Backdraft when it comes up on THE IRON CHEF (choo choo choo CHOO CHOO)

Fabio Frizzi's music for Fulci's The Beyond for the insanely long theme (Voci Dal Nulla) with a bunch of Italians going "nah nah nah NAH NAH NAH!!" over and over and over-- hell is this music blasting out at you from "the sea of darkness for all eternity".


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posted 02-16-2000 04:05 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I knew my attack on Rozsa would not go unpunished !

>Just to name a few: Ben-Hur, El Cid, The >Thief of Baghdad... that is only a few of >the great scores Rosza put out over the >years.

Im sorry, but i just dont get any pleasure, AT ALL, in listening to these scores.

These are the scores for me that are 'Armaggedon' and 'The Rock' to many others : just noise.

Its a shame Andre u cannot enjoy the Armageddon score. I just cant get enough of it. Sure its loud, sure it has synthesizers, but at least SOMETHING happens. its not like one of these old golden age classics where after 30 odd minutes u just wonder : "what the hell am i listening to ?"

And no, my name does not mean anything

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posted 02-16-2000 04:54 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Thanx guys,
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who likes Serra's stuff. Thanks for the support!

NP - Searching For Bobby Fischer (J. Horner) *****/*****

mlw,
WTF are you TALKING about? Backdraft is a masterpiece, especially track 7 and the Arsonists' Waltz, as well as Show Me Your Firetruck. Bash Zimmer again and I'll have to hurt you.

PS - Aren't you alittle off-topic here? We are talking abotu scores that we like but everyone else hates...not what you hate and everyone else likes.

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posted 02-16-2000 07:03 PM PT (US)    ip  

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"Backdrifit" a masterpiece?
"Armagedoom" great?
Golden age scores trash?

Say no more... Say no more!

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posted 02-17-2000 04:59 AM PT (US)    ip  

 
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