In the Great Score/Bad Movie category, I've gotta start with:

JAWS II
RAISE THE TITANIC
FIRST KNIGHT

There are others, of course. In the Good Movie/What Were They Thinking? score category, I have always had a special, cold place in my heart for:

LADYHAWKE
DAWN OF THE DEAD

Anyone?

And although I wouldn't call it terrible, I've never liked "The Big Country" very much, but love the Jerome Moross score.

Good movies, bad scores: Mentioned Ladyhawke, Terminators, Dick Tracy (this is awful) and lots of Zimmers I will not dare to pick a fight.

1492: Conquest of Paradise was a good movie with an absolutely ridiculous score.

Bad Movies with Great Scores:

Waterworld and The Postman(Both awesome scores, but they both were in my opinion terrible films)

I did not like Batman 2(Tied for worst in the series with Batman 4), but the score is also good!

Good Movies with Bad Score:

Con Air(The score lacks alot and I personally do not enjoy guitar in a score!)

Aaron

NP: The Omen

The Swarm
The Final Conflict
Rambo II
Supergirl
Capricorn One
Legend (yea, this movie stinks)
Star Trek V
Extreme Prejudice
Warlock
The Cassandra Crossing
Bad Girls

A few years ago Star Trek: The Motion Picture would have been on this list but after 9 mediocre to awful Trek films it has become one of the better ones in the series. Brilliant score nevertheless.

Other great scores stuck to bad movies:

Lifeforce by Mancini (Movie starts good but completely unravels halfway through)

Midway by John Williams

Return to Oz by David Shire

Altered States by John Corrigliano

Heavy Metal by Elmer Bernstein

Good Score/ Bad Movie
THE AVENGERS
FAR AND AWAY
A VIEW TO A KILL (The worst James Bond in my opinion... produced by EON at least)
JAWS 2
THE OMEN 2

Good Movie/ Bad Score
GOLDENEYE
let me think of more...

I think you know which is bad and which is good! It's easy!

PeterK

GOOD MOVIE/BAD SCORE:
"Die Hard" (let the yelling begin!)
"GoldenEye"

DAMNATION ALLEY

How good is it? Well, compare the written music to the written dialogue- "This town is infested by giant killer cockroaches!"

I also will mention DEEP RISING. It is one of my favorite scores. Much fun!

SFT

PS - Dick Tracy ROCKS and it fitted the film perfectly...SO THERE!

1) DICK TRACY (realy anoying)
2) LADYHAWKE (the orchestral parts were ok, but the pop stuff is not only out of place but's pretty lame!)
3) TERMINATOR 2 (can you picture that movie with a "Total Recall" kind of score??)
4) THE PEACEMAKER (240 people playing/singing the same notes at the same time wall to wall)
5) THE ROCK (Choom-choom macho-man noise!)
6) ENEMY OF THE STATE (mixed some car crash noises and call it "score")
7) DEAD POETS SOCIETY (Maurice's son was so proud!)
8) LEGEND (the "Tangerine Nightmare" version, of course)
9) TITANIC (Ennya & Yanni movie's debut)
10) NO WAY OUT (Can you please stop spanking the synthesizer??)

AWFUL movies / GOOD scores

1) 70% of Jerry Goldsmith filmography
2) ROBOCOP 3 (Poledouris)
3) TOMORROW NEVER DIES (Arnold)
4) GODZILA (Arnold)
5) JURASSIC PARK 1 & 2 (Williams)
6) LOST IN SPACE (Broughton)
7) THE PHANTON (Newman)
8) BATMAN FOREVER (Gondenthal)
9) SENSE AND SENSIBILITY (Doyle)
10)THE PORTRAIT OF A LADY (Killar)

Good Movie/ Bad Score
Gosh, Can't really think of one right now, am not that critical, I guess.

Goldeneye/True Lies/Terminator/Terminator 2: good movies with HORRIBLE scores

My other favorite scores for bad films include:

Death Becomes Her (Alan Silvestri)
The Glimmer Man (Trevor Rabin)
Ricochet (Alan Silvestri)
Sphere (Elliot Goldenthal)
Hard Rain (Christopher Young)
Last Action Hero (Michael Kamen)
Mad City (Thomas Newman)
Hudson Hawk (Michael Kamen)

P.O.
Mad City (Thomas Newman) **/****

Joel: I have already addressed that the amount of enjoyment one gets from listening to the score does not matter when looking at whether or not a score is bad. i have also pointed out the fact that if you take a good look at the movies themselves, you will see why the scores for both Terminators worked perfectly, and it was a conscious decision to have them sound like that. Im sorry if i sound hostile, but when you spend a lot of time writing about a specific topic(and yes, i have studied the use of music, among many other elements in both Terminators) and some guy comes along and without ANY support, or ANY arguement whatsoever, says something completely opposite of what you spent a good deal of time supporting, wouldnt you be a little hostile towards them? Like i said, support your claim, i can certainly support mine. As for True Lies, i cannot agree with you, but ill allow you the courtesy of dislking it purely because i have NOT spent a great deal of time discussing that score. Next time you respond to my post, please dont make me repeat what i have said before, it takes too ****ing long.
PS: I never called you an idiot, so dont twist my words.

Ive been thinking...I mentioned that Ladyhawk had a crappy score(the rock and roll parts anyway, they just killed the scenes they were in), but when the music wasnt doing that it was great. The movie was great because the scenes with good music far outnumbered the bad. The thing is this: can you have a good movie with a bad score? The score is such an integral part of a movie, it can make or break a scene. So if the score just never works, then it will kill the entire movie. We are looking at the score as a seperate entity from the movie, it isnt. It is just as important as editing, cinematography, etc...so can we really have a good movie with a completely lousy score?

And those Terminators scores are awful in the movies yes, and sure this cannot make me anything " among those lines " or something.

Now, IF we are talking about whether the score WORKED for a movie and thus makes it a good score, or DOESN'T work for a movie, thus making it bad, then it is I who apologizes for misunderstanding...as that is not the impression I have been getting from MOST of the other posters to this thread. Taking YOUR viewpoint, most of the other posters here are making similarly ludicrous claims...

In any event, I can understand you having a personal and vested interest in hearing only good things about the Terminator films...as you have put a lot of time and effort into what you perceive as their quality. I will not argue that Fiedel's music services the films and, in fact, does so very well...but I wouldn't even really call it music when separating it from the film...and THAT is my opinion. From a purely film-making point of view, I would agree with you on their merits. Personally, though, I wouldn't hire Fiedel to score ANYTHING...again...a personal opinion. As a filmmaker myself, I have that right. I place Fiedel in the ranks of MOOD composers, as opposed to thematic composers.

Granted, I have not done a thorough study of the Terminator films and would be more than happy to hear what you have to say on the matter...but none of your posts above have supported your claims. As you accuse me of doing the same, I would like to know what you base your opinions on as well. So instead of attacking my opinion, show me the support you have. I like to think I am open minded enough to accept any new thought on film music...my opinions are only based on what I have been experienced to up to this point and being new to this board, I am sure I have missed out on a great many threads that will end up coming back and biting me in the ass...

I hope this brings clarity to the perceived misunderstandings that I have been sensing in this thread. Thanks

You supposed to much. I hate the scores and love the movies. So what? I love Dead Poets Society, but as Andre said is one of the Jarre weakest piece of crap. And I also own the cd, what of course don't make me a madman. This is Ozzy Osbourne.

SPHERE
Alien Resurrection
Waterworld

The opinions of a guy who write the word ****ING so many times is worth consideration, you know.

Andre

Just lookin to start another fight!

1) TRUE LIES - Fiedel (for those who tought it would be impossible to make an orchestra sound like an old synthesizer)

2) DARKMAN - Elfman (Imagine what LoDuca would have done to that great movie!)

3) PATRIOT GAMES - Horner composed during a diarrhea boom for sure