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    Topic:   PEARL HARBOR

     Justin
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    Alright folks, who would you like to see compose the music for Pearl Harbor. I personally think Trevor Rabin and Harry Gregson-Williams should team up once again seeing as how it is a Michael Bay film. What are your opinions on who should compose?

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    posted 02-01-2000 10:51 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    David Arnold should do this. After getting screwed on "The Patriot," he should get another shot at something historical.

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    posted 02-01-2000 11:21 PM PT (US)     

     Kris
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    I think Arnold would be a great choice.

    If we check out the past, I don't think he'd get the job. I'd go for one or more of the Zimmer boys. It would be a great comeback for Glennie-Smith. I'd put my money on either Rabin and/or Gregson-Williams.

    Anyway, I'm a fan of both Arnold's and the Zimmer clan's music.

    np: The Mummy *****/*****

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    posted 02-02-2000 03:52 AM PT (US)     

     JEC
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    I can't believe someone's making a movie about Pearl Harbor! Where are they going to get all the planes? At any rate, they'll have to go a long, long way to beat TORA TORA TORA. I'd give it to John Williams.

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    posted 02-02-2000 05:29 AM PT (US)     

     Will
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    I am way too sure that this movie will be scored by the Media Ventures gang. I'd like to see (or hear to be exact!) a collaboration of Zimmer, Gregson Williams and Rabin (ala The Rock) for this.

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    posted 02-02-2000 06:39 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    quote:
    Where are they going to get all the planes?

    They'll be CGI dude.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 02-02-2000 06:58 AM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    I vote David Arnold or Hans Zimmer.

    --Kyppo

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    posted 02-02-2000 07:33 AM PT (US)     

     Alwin
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    In a previous Pearl Harbour post, I said I'd like to see Rabin score it; either Rabin or Zimmer.

    NP: Metallica's Master of Puppets (I've gotta listen to Metallica in the morning - awesome "start-me-up" music).

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    posted 02-02-2000 07:47 AM PT (US)     

     Vladimir
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    Good question who should score it?????

    My pick would be John Williams because he always seems to compose great music for war movies. ex saving private ryan.

    But if Williams would'nt get the job here is who I would like to see get it

    David Arnold (I agree with jeron he did get screwed with Patriot)

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    posted 02-02-2000 08:10 AM PT (US)     

     Marc Flake
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    This is being done by the same guys who did Armageddon, they're focusing on a love story. Maybe they'll get Aerosmith again.

    :^P
    Marc

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    posted 02-02-2000 08:24 AM PT (US)     

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    Zimmer, Rabin and Gregson-Williams would be awesome if they teamed up together, but if only one of them could do it I would definitely say Gregson-Williams.

    Audacity

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    posted 02-02-2000 08:31 AM PT (US)     

     Greg Bryant
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    >Where are they going to get all the planes?

    >They'll be CGI dude.

    That's too bad. I think it'll be pretty hard to surpass Tora, Tora, Tora for it's realism.

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    posted 02-02-2000 08:55 AM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Greg, after seing the effects used in Disney's upcoming film, "Dinosaur" - who cares if the planes are real or not. CGI is to the point to where:

    #1, they can look real
    #2, it's safer... (not accidents or mishaps)
    #3, even though CGI costs alot... it's a heck of alot less expensive than getting together all the planes it would take to satisfy a "Pearl Harbor" compliment. That doesn't even begin to go into fuel costs.

    Just my opinion, though.

    Jeron

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    posted 02-02-2000 10:54 AM PT (US)     

     JEC
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    There was only one genuine Zero in TORA. There rest were built by FOX. Over the years a number of those planes have been lost. Most are now owned by the Confederate Air Force's TORA group. I saw 15 of them flying in a 1990 Air show. Quite a spectacle! CGIs might be okay for underwater Aliens and theme park dinosuars, but it's going to be hard to make a major WWII air/naval engagement believable without some real aircraft. And don't forget mocking up Battleship Row. For TORA, a 1/3-scale replica of the USS Arizona was constructed and blown up. Of course, it could be a FROM HERE TO ETERNITY-like effort where the attack is largely off-stage, or, worse, like TITANIC--in which case, who cares about historical accuracy.

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    posted 02-02-2000 11:28 AM PT (US)     

     otten
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    While I don't know how the planes will be depicted, I read that the director Michael Bay really wants to use as little cgi as possible and use more models and large sets (a la the back half of the Titanic that was built for the last part of the movie Titanic). This is partially why Pearl Harbor was given the green light to be made with a starting budget of $135 million.

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    posted 02-02-2000 01:20 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Here's who shouldn't get the asignment.

    James Horner

    hehehe

    just kidding

    Williams, Goldsmith or Arnold

    Scott

    NP:Zorro (*****/*****)

    PS How did Arnold get screwed on the Patriot?

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    posted 02-02-2000 01:37 PM PT (US)     

     Cole
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    hmmm. well, if this is a Michael bay film (is it a bruckheimer film?) then we will probably be seing people from Zimmerworks scoring which I dont think would be right. we have had so many Synth pounding Zimmerstyle action scores so recently that there has been a lack of the large scale symphonic action scores of old (just think - today, if somebody did Indiana Jones it would have Zimmerstyle music to it.) Why not get a large Orchestra and let them play their hearts out. A movie about Pearl Harbor is going to need something that important, not just a few guys and their keyboards. If this Michael Bay film is not for Jerry Bruckheimer then we may get the chance to see something big heroic and real in the score. Unfortunately, it will probably be something from Zimmerworks (and I never thought I would say this) and it will probably ruin the score.

    NP-The Lost World

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    posted 02-02-2000 03:47 PM PT (US)     

     otten
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    It is a Bruckheimer production. After hearing The Thin Red Line, I think Zimmer could do a wonderful score, although I agree for something like this an orchestra is more in order than a keyboard.

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    posted 02-02-2000 04:20 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Hatfield
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    Hmmmmmm......

    Basil Poledouris, anyone?

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    posted 02-02-2000 04:33 PM PT (US)     

     Skymaker
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    Hey guys! None of you have mentioned to have Phillip Glass to score it. It would be a really nice balletic movie, very monotonous, and surreal. It would be a good counterpoint to the bombastic action of Bay's movies.

    Just kidding!

    I still don't understand why Phillips Glass earns his living composing for the last 30 years or so. His music is so boring after you listen to 2 minutes of it. And it all sounds the same. I just don't understand why he still gets commissions to compose more music?

    Anybody out there actually buying his music?


    SKYMAKER

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    posted 02-02-2000 04:55 PM PT (US)     

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    I guess, if it has to be a Media Ventures guy, then Zimmer or Gregson-Williams, but ONLY if they can do period music. J Williams did really good on Midway, and I could see him go back to that!

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    posted 02-02-2000 05:17 PM PT (US)     

     Greg Bryant
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    I've not been very sold on CGI. It's not that it looks fake, it looks to real, too clean. When I see a movie with CGI, I know that I'm looking at CGI and the visual impact is broken for me. I guess I've always been an optical effects/models sort of person. The Mothership in CE3K was always very real, but if they did it today as a CGI, I don't think I'd buy it.

    Maybe it's the fact that CGI has become an end unto itself; "let's load as much CGI into a movie so everyone can have a cool time tlooking at it"; however, they forget to put a story in there.

    But to make matters worse, Michael Bay is directing this film? I'm sorry, but he's one of the worst directors to appear on the scene in recent years. My bet is you can toss historical realism and probably most of the historical accuracy out the window on this one.

    NP:Living Daylights

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    posted 02-02-2000 06:26 PM PT (US)     

     Marc Flake
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    Greg, you are too right on this one. I read an interview of this guy sent to me by a friend in the business.

    They are talking about using model ships. They're even looking at using some of the same models used in TORA/3. He didn't mention the use of aircraft, but the same planes used in TORA/3 are also available. It doesn't take many planes to do a movie about a war -- after all "633 Squadron" was shot with only four aircraft.

    He made a statement about "lots of explosions" and battleships "rising out of the water" when hit by torpedoes. Trust me, this didn't happen. The Japanese did not have tactical nuclear warheads on their aerial torpedoes, and that's the only explosive with enough yeild to lift a battleship out of the water.

    As I noted before, he goes on and on about how he's going to focus on a love story, like he did in Armagedon.

    I'm not holding my breath.

    Marc

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    posted 02-02-2000 08:40 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    JEC: Before I start tearing into you, id like a clarification on that Titanic/historical accuracy comment real quick.
    As for the Score: Horner, Zimmer, or John Williams. None of that Rabin electric guitar bull**** here.

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    posted 02-02-2000 09:30 PM PT (US)     

     Cole
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    lol
    HAH Phillip Glass
    that's grand
    I cracked up when I saw that
    Actually, I love Phillip Glass
    although I dont think that everyone could or should like/listen to his music.

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    posted 02-02-2000 10:44 PM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    Matt,

    I can understand your feeling about Rabin's guitar work on this particular film but don't you think he would be able to produce an awesome theme?

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    posted 02-02-2000 10:48 PM PT (US)     

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    The laserdisc of Empire Of The Sun had a nice documentary showing how the P56 Mustangs were modeled. They looked to have approx. 3 to 4 meter wingspans. I had never seen footage of radio controlled models of that size before. The Japanese hangars the Mustangs bombed were also scale models with charges inside. This was all very expensive to do, especially since they shot the film with the boy (I forget his name) in the foreground reacting to the "Cadillacs Of The Sky" swooping in. So, they had to get it right on the first take. Quite an impressive and realistic scene, IMHO.

    Sure, Poledouris could score this movie! Flight Of The Intruder is an excellent war score.

    NP: Iron Will (McNeeley)

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    posted 02-02-2000 11:34 PM PT (US)     

     Greg Bryant
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    Marc,
    I hear you. Recently, I've only seem a few things with excellent, appropriate use of CGI. One would be Fight Club, where the narrator envisions his apartment as the page from a (probably Sharper Image) catalog. This did not have to be realistic, because it was happening in the character's mind to show his disaffection with how overly consumeristic our society has become.

    The other would be American Beauty, again to show the fantasies that Kevin Spacey was experiencing.

    Even Ally McBeal, because it all takes place in her imagination.

    Did you catch "Pushing Tin" last year? Not a great movie; it was about air traffic controllers. They have to get a "picture" in their mind of what's on their radar screen; the CGI created the "picture" in their mind for the audience, almost as a video game.

    CGI in space movies have been mostly okay too, as they don't have to have a whole lot of realism to them. Babylon 5 was always a case in point.

    But when the CGI takes over a movie (like The Mummy), I check out.

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    posted 02-03-2000 10:07 AM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Justin: Theme, possibly. ill grant you that one. but he isnt the right composer for an entire score for this movie.
    Greg: Mummy kicked ass, so kiss mine
    good points for the rest of your post tho.

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    posted 02-03-2000 11:17 AM PT (US)     
     

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