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JohnT

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I have just finished re-reading St Agnes Stand by Thomas Eidson. Brilliant IMO. And wouldn't it make a fine western - filmed in stark black and white, and scored by Jerry Goldsmith. A perfect assignment for him. What book would you like to see filmed and who would do the score?
posted 01-30-2000 05:01 AM PT (US) 
Dawk

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Well, that's a good question, a lot of times I'll read a book and imagine my own music for it actually. But if I were to stick another composer on a book I read recently, it would probably be Danny Elfman for Clive Barker's Imajica. Or maybe James Newton Howard.
posted 01-30-2000 11:29 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I do this type of thing all the time. Usually it's music I know in my head already, but I might put my own spin on it.Best example: Stephen King's INSOMNIA, a long, rambling, intransigent novel that unexpectedly comes to life at the halfway point. Against all odds, I found myself touched by the finale, and I imagined it to the tune of "Everywhere" from POWDER.
Sometimes I'll be watching a MOVIE and rescoring it in my head ...
posted 01-30-2000 12:05 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I would think "Imajica" would be better served by Trevor Jones in his "Dark Crystal" grand scale fantasy mode... yet for the contemporary sequences he could pull out Courtney Pine again.Most mystery books I read usually get scored in my head by Howard Shore, James Newton Howard or Thomas Newman, although I recently read "Moon Music" by Faye Kellerman, a straight detective yarn with supernatural touches that would be best handled by Elliot Goldenthal.
I am currently reading the John Dunning's Cliff Janeway novels, which could be given very literate scores by George Fenton.
Most of my reading ends up leaning more towards science-fiction, to which each contour of the story leads me in different directions. At the end of the book, I think about it and usually assign a composer to that book...
"Destiny's Road" by David Brin; music by Lee Holdridge
"The Heart of the Comet" by David Brin and Gregory Benford; music by Elliot Goldenthal
"Rewind" by Terry England; music by Howard Shore
"Glory Season" by David Brin; music by Jerry Goldsmith
"The Boat of a Million Years" by Poul Anderson; didn't like this one too much, but I would think that Elmer Bernstein could come up with a nice timeless sound for it.posted 01-30-2000 01:02 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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One of my favorite novels is "Earth Abides," by George R. Stewart. A man returns home to San Francisco have a weekend hiking trip, only to discover a mysterious plague has wiped out the human race. He eventually meets up with fellow survivors and, over the course of 40-something years, they attempt to rebuild civilization. I think either Goldsmith or James Newtown Howard (based on the strength of his "The Postman") would be the ideal choices to score the film-version.Also, I really love "Witness to the Truth," by Paul Lindsay, a former FBI agent. It's about a Detroit agent who's searching for a traitor in the ranks and a brutal seriel killer, who may have also kidnapped a fellow agent's daughter. At the same time he breaks in a new parter. (And you thought your day was busy!
) It's a gritty thriller, so I would say perhaps Hans Zimmer could best score it.Also, "Night Hunter," by Michael Reaves, about a burned-out LA homicide detective working a case where the suspect may be a vampire. Like "Witness to the Truth," it's a gritty murder mystery with lots of sex and violence. If I was directing (and man I'd love that), I'd probably hire either Goldsmith or Zimmer. (Can you believe this author also wrote for the animated "Batman" series?)
Check out all three of these novels if you get the chance.
I'm also currently reading Michael Crichton's "Timeline," but haven't finished it yet. So far, I'd say Goldsmith or Silvestri could score the pic.
posted 01-30-2000 01:54 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Anybody who liked King's THE STAND should certainly take a look at EARTH ABIDES. It's a bit frightening how similar they are in places.Watching the miniseries of THE STAND, I was a bit startled by the W.G. Snuffy Walden score. "Huh, the end of the world sounds like Ry Cooder," I thought. But the approach was quite inventive and effective, as it turned out. Although reading the book, I'd always heard CAPRICORN ONE, for some reason -- probably just my obsession with that score at that time.
posted 01-30-2000 02:33 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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I read The Stand way back in 1980 to (believe it or not) Lion in Winter and Planet of the Apes.
posted 01-30-2000 05:24 PM PT (US) 
dantoris

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H Rocco - Glad to see I'm not the only person out there who's read this fantastic book ("Earth Abides").
posted 01-30-2000 06:59 PM PT (US) 
Dawk

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to Swashbuckler:Trevor Jones DID come to mind, but he's too much of a no brainer. I chose Elfman because I know he COULD score a complex story like Imajica, and come up with something we weren't expecting to hear (Trevor Jones, while great, uses the same basic sound in all his scores, it's not bad, but I don't think it would fit). I also noticed that you listed Grand Scale Fantasy Mode and the contemporary sequences, which I feel in themselves have so much complexity and change flavors so much from chapter to chapter, that we'd have to hear a LOT of diversity as the score progressed as well.
posted 01-30-2000 10:43 PM PT (US) 
Audacity

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Everytime I read a Biography of Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton, I listen to all the golden age epic scores like Ben Hur, King of Kings, Ten Commandments...etc. His life and his accomplishments are so Epic themselves, these scores fit right in while reading about his exploits.Also, the series of books "RiverWorld" by Philip Jose Farmer, would make an incredible mini-series. Plot; all of humanity is resurrected along the banks of a million mile river. What Farmer does is use real historical figures as his characters, like Richard Francis Burton, Mark Twain, Hermann Goring...etc. What you basically have is every single ethnical group that ever lived on Earth, thrown together in one place, with every musical influence represented.
I think it would be awesome to bring in different composers to score each installment of the miniseries. Of course James Newton Howard would score the bulk of it, all the battle scenes, there is not a single genre that he couldn't handle. But you could bring in Graeme Revell and use his vast knowledge of tribal music to compose for some of the tribes that are on the River. Jerry Goldsmith could score for the various Vikings in the story. John Williams would be great to score the scenes that take place on The Fabulous Riverboat, and the few scenes with cowboy legend Tom Mix. The last book in the series has a lot of spooky parts in it (trying not to give away the story) so I think Don Davis would do an excellent job with that.Sorry for the long boring post,
Audacity
Hider in the House (Chris Young)***posted 01-31-2000 11:10 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Audacity,Every time I look at one of your posts, the NP is always a Chris Young score -- but you're never recommending him for jobs!
To be honest, he's the FIRST person I think of these days for ANY kind of movie. I really want to see that guy get to STRETCH! And I'm sure you do too, you play his stuff enough!
NP: THE BIRTH OF JAPAN (Akira Ifukube, 1959, just got to disc 2 -- this score is just over TWO HOURS LONG! Haven't listened to it all the way through in a long time.)
posted 01-31-2000 11:28 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I can't believe Joel McNeely hasn't been mentioned. After all, he's the one that provided us with the incredible score for the novel, Shadows of the Empire!I know Shadows is a project that has already been done, but it's a perfect example of what we are talking about.
Jeron
[This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 31 January 2000).]
posted 01-31-2000 11:32 AM PT (US) 
James

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LUCIFER'S HAMMER by Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle. At the time I read it I had John Debney in mind, but in retrospect I'm thinking Don Davis.TEN LITTLE INDIANS (a.k.a. AND THEN THERE WERE NONE) by Agatha Christie. They done a film version of this four times and have yet to do it right. I'd like to say Henry Mancini, but that's unfortunately no longer possible. I'd pick Alan Silvestri next.
James
NP - 16 Days of Glory (Holdridge) (***)posted 01-31-2000 03:32 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Audacity, Have you never seen Mountains of the Moon staring Patrick Bergen about Burton's quest to find the source of the Nile, great film and score by Michael Small.James, I also like Niven & Pournelle's Inferno, using historical characters and based on Dante's many levels of hell, Christopher Young would be my choice for this!
H ol'buddy I agree with you SOOOO much about Young, I too would love to see this great composer let loose on some really big project!
posted 01-31-2000 04:44 PM PT (US) 
Marc Flake

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"Master and Commander" by Patrick O'Brian, scored by Basil Poledouris (who would also score the next 14 sequels).This man can write music about the sea.
Marc
NP: "Wind" by Basil Poledourisposted 02-01-2000 07:25 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Timmer, thanks so much for bringing up "Mountains of the Moon." I think it's a fantastic score, and I saw the film just before I read "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" (the first "Riverworld" book, coincidentally starring Burton). Ever since then I have associated Small's "Journey" theme for the river itself.I wish small would get more epic assignments like this one.
"Mountains of the Moon" is quite a good film as well, and has just been released on DVD.
posted 02-01-2000 03:31 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Hi Swash, always good to see you about!
posted 02-01-2000 04:41 PM PT (US) 
Audacity

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Rocco,I have just recently began to really adore Chris Young's work, thanks to a recent trade where I obtained several of his scores that I didn't have. He is very, very versatile. I am still listening to his music over and over and studying him, so I am sure he will climb to the top five of my favorite composer list.
Timmer,
No, I have never heard of that movie, but you'll be darn sure I am going to run out and find it. Is it easily available? And the score, is that available? I would love to hear that score. I have been trying to come up with the perfect theme for Riverworld (since I read the series about every other year) and if its as good as Swashbuckler says then that might just be the one I'll use.
I'm glad to know other people appreciate the Greatest Science Fiction series ever written.
Audacity
posted 02-02-2000 06:49 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
