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Marian Schedenig

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Kris: Conductor, not composer!H: Do you ask for a singer who recorded an original Donaggio song, or one who covered one of Donaggio's works?
Can't answer your other question, but as you probably know, there's a third "John Williams" in the music business, the guitarist. He can be heard e.g. on the "A Fish Called Wanda" score. I think I even saw a CD where he played several works by "our" John Williams, including "Schindler's List". Should be interesting.
Timmer: I second that - Where's Chris? I actually already intended to ask this question. Maybe we should e-mail him.
NP: Judge Dredd (Silvestri)
posted 02-21-2000 07:08 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Chris seems to be awake, he just showed up at one or another thread on this very Board. I guess he's NOT been paying attention to this thread, though.The internationally famous singer I mentioned recorded an actual song by Donaggio, not a cover of a movie theme, if that's your question -- I guess you could CALL it a cover, I presume Donaggio wrote the original in Italian, but there's an English version too.
I DID know about John Williams the guitarist (worked on DEER HUNTER, didn't he?) but didn't even think about it when I wrote the original question.
The late John Barry (production designer) has been correctly identified (composer John Barry is still with us.) Who's the other doppelganger, people? Hint: he's European.
posted 02-21-2000 10:11 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Well, according to the source which inspired MY question, both Dusty Springfield and Elvis Presley did English cover versions of Donaggio's song "You don't have to say you love me". Reportedly, in 1959 Donaggio's classical career was interrupted when he discovered Rock and Roll. In 1963 his song "Lo che non vivo" (of which the formerly mentioned two are the cover versions) sold about 60 million records.
posted 02-22-2000 05:39 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Well? Right or wrong?NP: Casper (Horner, ****/*****)
posted 02-23-2000 03:35 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Haven't been back, sorry. Yes, that's the one, Marian. Actually, you trumped me -- I knew about the Elvis version, but not the Dusty.We know John Williams scored Spielberg's SUGARLAND EXPRESS, but the sentiment has been expressed that he more or less tossed a coin. Who was the other composer he considered? (This one is pretty simple, but it's late and I'm tired and I'm kind of out of better questions.)
And name two of the other composers who were seriously considered for STAR WARS. (re: an interview with its producer Gary Kurtz.) (That ups the ante a bit.)
posted 02-24-2000 12:12 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I could never have answered that question if you hadn't asked it at exactly the same day when I got that Donaggio compilation CD. The correct answer was right there in the liner notes.
As for "Sugarland Express", I think I remember that it was that guy named Jerry...
And "Star Wars"... You don't mean Holst and Rozsa, do you? Don't know anything about other original composer considerations.
NP: Nothing, I'm at work. I created mp3 files from my "Much Ado About Nothing" CD, but I can't find the right souncard drivers for this damn dirty Windows system... >

posted 02-24-2000 03:49 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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H, It was Giorgio Moroder and Meco
No, seriously I think it was Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein?
NP : Angela's ashes - Williams
posted 02-24-2000 05:06 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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H, It was Giorgio Moroder and Meco
No, seriously I think it was Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein?
NP : Angela's ashes - Williams
posted 02-24-2000 05:08 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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Re: The doppelgängers:The John Barry's have been mentioned.
There's also Alan Parker the composer and Alan Parker the director.
Additionally, William Goldenberg the editor and William Goldenberg the composer (although the latter usually goes by the name of "Billy").
posted 02-28-2000 09:33 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Hmm, I hadn't even been thinking about the Alan Parkers and the Goldenbergs. There's one more, gentlemen. Pick the fellow out if you can.Yes, Jerry Goldsmith was the other composer Spielberg considered for SUGARLAND. He had just done the music for ACE ELI AND RODGER OF THE SKIES, for which Spielberg wrote the original story. (Has anyone heard ACE ELI? It flopped big time, way back in 1973. I'm not even sure it's on video.)
NP: my mom was running the original video of VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED and now it's ended
posted 02-28-2000 01:42 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Re:Star Wars.......and the answer is???H, ol pal your slipping!
Does 'Vllage' have a Ron Goodwin score H??
memorynotservingmewelltimmer
posted 02-28-2000 06:11 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Timster, I'm sorry ... don't know if you saw the thread at the Other Board, but my father died on Saturday and I am not quite myself, at least not as often as I should be. Neither your fault nor your problem.As far as the other composers considered for STAR WARS: said Gary Kurtz: Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein. You got it, bud. Good night, you princes of Maine, you little kings of New England. SOMEBODY'S gotta rule. I'm going to bed.
Phew.posted 02-28-2000 10:38 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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H, I know what that's like all too well.You have my heart felt sympaphy.
tim
posted 02-29-2000 04:12 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Sorry again, H.Re Goldsmith and Bernstein on "Star Wars"... That doesn't quite fit into the story as I know it from the liner notes to the expanded score releases, and other sources as well. From what I know, Lucas always intended to use existing pieces, e.g. Holst's "Planets" and something by Rozsa (and I bet Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring", just listen to "Jawa Sandcrawler"), until his pal Spielberg introduced him to Williams. So at what point did they consider to have the movie scored by Goldsmith and Bernstein?
Nobody could answer my question, so here's the solution: In his youth, Donaggio worked with Claudio Abbado, who was also only a beginner back then. At least that's what I read in the liner notes to the compilation "Brian De Palma - Pino Donaggio" on Milan, though they also say Donaggio has scored all Brian De Palma films since "Carrie"... However, it was my source to answer H's question, so the infos seem to be not entirely wrong.
NP: Star Trek TMP (Jerry Who, *****/*****)
posted 02-29-2000 07:31 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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The Goldsmith/Bernstein connection was mentioned in an ancient interview with producer Gary Kurtz. I think I heard about Lucas wanting to use existing pieces for the score, and perhaps it was Kurtz specifically, not Lucas, who was hoping to win him over to an original score. No doubt Spielberg would have encouraged Lucas on this as well.Sympathy appreciated, fellows.
posted 02-29-2000 12:02 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Will anyone get this......Name the modern British classical composer who did the orchestral parts of THE KILLING FIELDS!
NP : TWELVE HOURS OF SUNSET - David Bedford
BBC Symphony Orchestra conducted by Martyn Brabbinsposted 03-01-2000 05:17 PM PT (US) 
SBD
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Timmer, could it be Mike Oldfield?
posted 03-05-2000 10:28 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Nope!!Oldfield did most of it, But NOT the orchestral parts.......Try again, The answer is there

posted 03-05-2000 04:39 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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This had me curious, Timster, so I went to the IMDb. No such composer is mentioned, unless you're about to make a case for Puccini as English (his "Turandot" is cited).Now I've got to confess a pathetic inability to think of any "modern British classical composers" -- hey, it wouldn't be you, would it?
I've never seen THE KILLING FIELDS, though perhaps I ought to, I adore the work of its writer Bruce Robinson (WITHNAIL & I!!!!!!!!!), but I still have flashbacks to when I tried to read Oscar-winning-supporting-actor Haing S.Ngor's autobiography, which was so awesomely hideous, even I couldn't get through it. (I'm speaking of what the poor fellow underwent, not the writing.) (It probably didn't help that I had food poisoning at the time -- and this in Japan, the most careful and conscientious country I've been to as far as food preparation. And no, it wasn't the raw fish.)
NP: James Horner Suites & Themes (bootleg, we're just up to I LOVE YOU TO DEATH)
posted 03-05-2000 10:57 PM PT (US) 
starblade

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It's David Bedford! He did the track called "The Year Zero" on the LP. As soon as I saw Timmer's NP, a light went off. (I had to break it out and look).Great score. I love the "Etude". Even though Oldfield didn't write that either. This movie really got to me when I saw it in the theatre. I remember walking out and going immediately and looking for the score.
NP-The Matrix score[This message has been edited by starblade (edited 06 March 2000).]
posted 03-06-2000 07:21 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Nice to see you spotted my little 'in joke' there starblade, you are of coarse spot on!
Also great to see someone who really likes Oldfield's superb score, Mario Nascimbene rated it as the best score of that year (84?)in an interview with Soundtrack (Belgian publication....I think??).H, I've got a brilliant hour long program on video all about Bruce Robinson which was shown here a while ago before a t.v. night's showing of WITHNAIL AND I and HOW TO GET A HEAD IN BUISNESS, WOW!,What an amazing character!, I would send you a copy but there are 2 problems.....
1. I don't have video to video recording equipment.
2. British format VHS is different to U.S. as I found out 10 years ago when I bought a copy of CLOCKWORK ORANGE in Los Angeles.any idea's????
starblade, If your interested in the Bedford piece it's on an album simply called DAVID BEDFORD on NMC DO49, It's very VERY film music like and memorable too!
I recommend it to anyone reading this.timmer
NP : CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND - John Wilson?Wilbert?Walton? er? anyone????
posted 03-06-2000 06:15 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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No ideas at present, but I certainly would like to get my paws on that tape, brother Timster. I'll mull over how best to copy and exchange. I am well familiar with the problem in playing different tapes from different countries. No big rush, though, none at all.Nobody caught my previous question, so I'll just drop the answer: there is the composer Maurice Jarre whom we already know, and there also is a production designer named Maurice Jarre.
Composer Jarre worked with the aforementioned Bruce Robinson on JENNIFER 8; a dear friend of mine, an assistant to replacement composer Christopher Young, was assigned the job of transcribing Robinson's scabrous instructions on RE-scoring ("And NOW, you might put in the music where it SHOULD be, instead of A MINUTE LATER as MAURICE would have done it ... ")
Here's an insanely esoteric question, which perhaps I've given the answer for away elsewhere: What score of Christopher Young's made Bruce Robinson want to hire him for JENNIFER 8? (He heard the music editors playing it and sprinted down the hall: "THAT'S what I want!")
NP: THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS (JG)
posted 03-06-2000 10:49 PM PT (US) 
Sid Mysterioso
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Attention H. Rocco: THE FLY 2. And Mel Brooks kept the toy clicker for himself.Are you familiar with Bruce Robinson's anecdote about getting manhandled by Franco Zeffirelli? Franco said to Bruce: "Are you a stone or a sponge?". (Id est: "Are you an active or passive homosexual?") Bruce used that line in WITHNAIL & I.
posted 04-02-2000 06:05 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Perhaps you remember that WITHNAIL & I is one of my all-time favorite films. I didn't know it was old Franco that came on to Bruce, though -- Robinson didn't mention his name in the interviews I've read, though I'm not a whit surprised.Not sure what Franco said to Bruce, but the line in WITHNAIL & I is spoken, "Are you a SPONGE or a STONE?"
You're correct, it was THE FLY II that got Robinson's attention.
Hmm, I guess I should think up another question now ...
Okay: Why did Martin Scorsese hire Howard Shore? (No, not just because they both live in New York.) (The answer isn't really interesting or exciting or even surprising, since this one's come back to life I'm trying to jumpstart it.)
posted 04-02-2000 10:39 PM PT (US) 
SBD
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A mutual friend, perhaps?I KNOW that that's not a satisfactory answer, but this is a good thread, and I hate when good threads like this go to waste.
posted 04-12-2000 05:58 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I love this thread, but I can't answer any of the questions, and don't have any ideas for a new question...
posted 04-12-2000 03:11 PM PT (US) 
SabastianMedina
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There appears to be a pretty sorry bunch here, film and film music history wise. NAKED CITY was, of course, by Miklos Rozsa and Frank Skinner; PORTRAIT OF JENNIE was the work of Dimitri Tiomkin with a few moments by Bernard Herrmann and that underrated Byron Haskin picture, HIS MAJESTRY O'KEEFE was the work of Robert Farnon and Tiomkin again. It's been a while, but I seem to remember more Tiomkin than Farnon (no slight to this excellent composer).
posted 04-14-2000 07:36 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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This one seems to be winding down (or picking back up, who knows, it was gone for so long) -- anyway, I'll just answer my own question: Scorsese loves (and is deeply frightened by) David Cronenberg's movies, for most of which Shore has done the music. When Scorsese did his episode of "Amazing Stories," he picked Kamen for the same reason (Kamen was available, and had done THE DEAD ZONE.)Of course Cronenberg has never hired Elmer Bernstein, but I suspect Scorsese's veneration of the older composer makes some kind of sense (if Herrmann -- a friend of Bernstein's -- were still alive, I don't imagine Scorsese would be hiring Bernstein as often, if at all.)
posted 04-14-2000 07:44 PM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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How many Oscars did James Bernard win?
posted 04-15-2000 10:43 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Whoa ... trick question? I could find that out at the IMDb, but I think I won't. Scofield or Mr. 2 might know ... I'd rather see someone come up with it.Henry stumped at last ...
posted 04-15-2000 11:36 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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I'm Not stumped!He won 1!, ...For Screenplay!
Can't remember for which Film though!!
posted 04-15-2000 05:40 PM PT (US) 
g

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In what other major film, aside Patton, did Goldsmith utilize the "echo-effect" in a score?regards,
g.posted 04-15-2000 06:51 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Sabastian, good job. Right on all questions. 100 percent. Take care, John.
posted 04-16-2000 06:37 AM PT (US) 
Graham Watt

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Yes indeed, Timmer and H. Rocco, James Bernard got an Oscar in 1950 (when he was all of 25 years old) for the screenplay to Seven Days To Noon. That was directed by John Boulting, and was about a nuclear scientist who threatened to blow up London unless work on his project was stopped. That's right, UNLESS it was stopped!He co-wrote the script with Paul Dehn. I'm assuming they both got Oscars, because if not the answer to the original question "How many Oscars did James Bernard win?" would be a half.
posted 04-16-2000 01:57 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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g: Alien, Alien, Alien!!!
posted 04-16-2000 02:25 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Good Lord, I'm amazed I didn't remember that, since I knew Dehn had won ... (I think I noticed the names before, but assumed they must be different James Bernards.)Paul Dehn later wrote the scripts for all the sequels to PLANET OF THE APES (he's credited only as "storywriter" to BATTLE FOR THE ...) and MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS. He was a brilliant writer with distinctly Communistic leanings. Also a reknowned poet. (My mom has one of his books lying around someplace.) His original script for BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES is way better than the final version -- at that time he was calling it PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED. It would have been beyond spectacular, but I imagine they just couldn't afford all of his ideas, although the final picture is certainly lavishly appointed. (Recently watched the letterboxed version, and as crazy and schizoid as the story is, it is VERY handsomely photographed and framed.)
ummm, let's keep the quiz going ... For what turned out to be Hitchcock's final film, FAMILY PLOT, John Williams wrote the score. A nice enough piece of work. But I suspect Williams was more or less thrown at Hitchcock in the wake of the success of JAWS. (He was a stockholder at Universal, and in the last years, some argue, did pretty much whatever they told him to.) Can anyone name at least one composer Hitchcock was considering? (No, not Goldsmith ... unless he DID consider Goldsmith, but that's not the name I'm waiting for. Goldsmith and Hitchcock, though, THAT would have been interesting ...)
NP: there's birds outside
posted 04-16-2000 03:26 PM PT (US) 
PeterD

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According to John Russell Taylor's Hitchcock bio, he was at one point considering using Maurice Jarre again, noting that "he's flexible."
posted 04-16-2000 06:14 PM PT (US) 
g

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>g: Alien, Alien, Alien!!!Good, you got it.. Have you ever heard some of the out-takes from the Patton recording sessions? (some of it is on the DVD)
There's Jerry with his crew trying to record the echoing trumpet chords but the timing has to be fairly precise so they do it over and over again till Goldsmith is satisfied. Something like that shows you the massive amount of hard work that goes into making these scores.Anyways, here's another...
Q: Paramount and the Executive Producers of 'The Godfather' originally wanted a score that had a fair amount of source music (aka songs), which Composer did they commission to write the music for the film?At one point after Rota wrote his classic score, Paramount tried to get Cappola to through it out but the matter was settled when Cappola offered "Okay, if at a preview the audience all say that the music is lousy, then let's get rid of it."
I say thank god for that bloody audience!
-g
posted 04-16-2000 09:28 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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'ey, Mr. D read the same quote! Excellent! That's the answer.Can't think of another question.
(can't you just imagine Hitchcock forming the syllables "MAAY-be Mo-risss JARRRR ... he's FLEX-ibullll ... ")
posted 04-16-2000 09:39 PM PT (US) 
PeterD

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I'll toss in another one. This shouldn't be too hard, but no fair looking it up on IMDb! . . . Music from what 1930s film score was re-arranged and used in the serials BUCK ROGERS and FLASH GORDON?
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