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Topic: Daniel2 and Luscious Laszlo

J. Peter Wolk-Laniewski

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I've been monitoring this FSM situation for awhile, and I think it's time for someone to extend the olive branch. These two names have been mentioned alot as being people who like to make trouble. I read some of your posts and found them to be very well written and structured, even though I didn't agree with a single word of them. Let me just say that we are not perfect, either. At Moviemusic.com, we have been guilty of the occasional composer bashing (Goldenthal, Horner) but we try not to let it get too personal, and those incidents are few and far between.
To Daniel2 and Lucious Laszlo: You are both very welcome here to express your opinions on film music. I will not attack you or your opinions in any way, and I hope you will return me the favor.
posted 01-22-2000 01:12 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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Memo to J-Pete: I can dig it. To clarify the situation, I insulted Bernard Herrmann for mistreating his own fans. And DANIEL2 is a Goldsmith-bashing monomaniac. But we've never insulted our fellow posters. I jokingly insulted some people for being Herrmann sycophants, but unfortunately that was misconstrued as being serious. It wasn't. It was such an over-the-top piece of mock-outrage that I'm amazed that anyone took it seriously.Oh well. It's all blood under the bridge. But what about this guy Goldsmith? What kind of sinister instinct motivates Jerry Goldsmith to wear his hair in a tiny ponytail? Like Lenny Bruce said: There's nothing more pathetic than an old hipster.

posted 01-23-2000 06:11 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Hmmmmmmmm......... Old hipsters can be cool. Ex: Jerry Goldsmith.Jeron
posted 01-23-2000 06:25 PM PT (US) 
Greg Bryant

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Goldsmith had the ponytail when I saw him in concert all way back in 1991. I couldn't help wondering if it was a mid-life crisis (you know, pony tail, Porsche, etc.).NP: Titanic (please don't hate me)
[This message has been edited by Greg Bryant (edited 23 January 2000).]
posted 01-23-2000 06:32 PM PT (US) 
Richard

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Well, hmmm, Jerry isn't exactly young anymore, and he does have a full head of hair, so as they say......
"if you've got it, flaunt it!"

posted 01-24-2000 04:24 AM PT (US) 
Thor

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Obviously, he WANTS to be young - jeans, loose sweaters, ponytail, golden bracelets etc. (am I the only one who has associations towards a pimp here?
)But, of course, the way you look is unimportant. What matters is the music, and despite his image, G's music is fortunately some of the most academic and "suit and tie"-elitist music there is (i.e. "great")!
posted 01-24-2000 08:45 AM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Richard, your comment about Goldsmith's "full head of hair" reminded me of a comment the famously bald Sean Connery made to Goldsmith around the time of either RUSSIA HOUSE or MEDICINE MAN (anecdote was told by Goldsmith at the Carnegie Hall concert):In his famous growl, Connery said to Goldsmith, "Jerry -- I want your HAIR!"
(Goldsmith has scored more Connery movies than anyone else except perhaps John Barry -- I haven't counted. It tickled me that they knew each other.)
posted 01-24-2000 11:59 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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See, this is what I hate about society. I have met Mr. Goldsmith personally and he seems to be a very nice although rather shy individual. What the heck does it matter how he wears his hat and what clothes he wears? No one has one fact to support the idea that he wants to be young or look young. Why does Goldsmith or any other human being have to adjust to a certain behavioural paradignm?Your six so you act like a kid.
Your a teenager so you act like you have no brain.
You're in your twenteys so you act smart and mature and sometimes like a moron.
You're thirty, start getting rid of the baggy clothes, get married and have some kids.
You're fourty. Start slowing down. Show a belly.
You'te fifty. No more fun for you.
You're sixty. Get ready to retire.
You're seventy. Go fishing and shut up.
You're eighty. Well, if you lasted this long get ready to die.
You're nighty. Ehm, excuse me, aren't yuou supposed to be dead?What kind of krapp is this? I thought we were a little bit beyoound the average norm here. We are doing the same thing that the people out there do to us. OH who llistens to film music.
I can't believe you guys get off on the appearance of another human being. That is so vain.
Scott
posted 01-24-2000 12:01 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Young Thor hates Goldsmith because I don't like Elfman much...
Isn't it cute??
My God... what have I done!!! Poor Jerry...
And Rocco, pal, I was going to post that... But you did it first!

posted 01-24-2000 01:13 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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posted 01-24-2000 02:06 PM PT (US) 
Richard

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I'm just thinking about the style of Sean Connery's hair in "Medicene Man".
posted 01-24-2000 03:37 PM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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Dear Lascious,
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I read a post of you at FSM bashing this very place, saying something nasty about Sebulba and Dr. Evil.
You offend us not here, but remenber, the World is just a little place.
posted 01-24-2000 04:24 PM PT (US) 
J. Peter Wolk-Laniewski

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You try to do something nice and be the peacemaker and it turns into a conversation about Jerry Goldsmith's hair.
posted 01-24-2000 05:05 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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Richard,Another thing Goldsmith said at the Carnegie Hall concert: how sure he was that Connery had borrowed Goldsmith's own ponytail hairstyle for MEDICINE MAN!!!
And I bet it's true!!!
posted 01-24-2000 05:10 PM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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I love Goldmith's hair style, in fact I'm thinking in paint my hair! is long enough already.
P.S. About the original thread,I ready a few minutes ago at FSM another Luscious post bashing the hell Andre Lux.
Strange, I thought I read something about " fellows ".
Tsc...
posted 01-24-2000 05:14 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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Dr.Evil's right. Lucius Laszlo wrote above:< But we've never insulted our fellow posters. >
And this is something he just wrote on FSM on a thread called "R2DANIEL2 first thread at MovieMusic.com already locked!!!!"
<And let's hear it for Andre Lux. A smelly little bully who likes to kick people when they're down. A cowardly little wimp who sublimates his sadism into lynch-mob behavior because it's the only way he can feel like a macho man....> (the thing goes on but I'll spare you fellas.)
Great guy, isn't he?
posted 01-24-2000 05:23 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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Don't worry, you wonderful moviemusic people. Us goombahs from the FSM board are like the mafia: We only kill our own.
posted 01-24-2000 05:26 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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In covering Goldsmith's young lifestyle you forgot to mention a good-looking trophy wife.It's one thing to have the old biker ponytail, it's another to get nervous during your pops concert and start stroking the thing over your shoulder--I swear it looked like a fox stoll.
According to the classic story of Lionel Newman bringing a tub of water onto one of Goldsmith's recording sessions so he could admire himself in it, Goldsmith has always been fussy about his hair.
But hey Jerry I love you.
posted 01-25-2000 03:29 AM PT (US) 
Greg Bryant

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Long hair has never been my thing (except for "long hair" music
). I look at my old high school graduation photos and cringe.As far as JG is concerned, if I want to talk about his hair, I'll do it regardless of what someone else thinks. (In other words, don't be so politically correct.) That's the issue about being in the public arena - you tend to lose some of your privacy - Madonna is a case in point.
BUT...to quote George Carlin, "if you find yourself talking about snot, there are obviously some things you've missed talking about."
I also heard the story about Sean Connery/Jerry Goldsmith and the pony tail too.
And the new young wife is apparently the woman who sings the song on the Omen I soundtrack (but apparently NOT Joel Goldsmith's mother).
A little gossip never hurt anyone, as long as it doesn't get out of hand.
By the way, when you're seventy, you are also pretty mature. Mature adults can take care of themselves. They don't need no one stickin' up for 'em.

posted 01-25-2000 09:29 AM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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http://www.lipsia.de/~locutus/lcars25.htmClick that link to see Jerry shaking his ponytail like the full-blown psychotic that he is. Stop it, Jerry. You're embarrassing me.
The bitter truth is that Jerry's hairstyle is a shameless follower of fashion. That dull *Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea* record shows an early 1960s pic of Jerry. He's sporting a crewcut---just like everyone else did in 1963. A year later and Jerry was doubtlessly sporting a Beatles shag. Let's face it: Jerry's a slave to au-courant couture. I'm surprised he's not sporting a goatee these days.
Although I did enjoy Jerry's rejected theme for *Voyage*. It's dark & sinister & bass-intensive.
posted 01-25-2000 10:08 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Politically Correct?You obviously don't know me, and that may be a good thing.
You're right, Jerry doesn't need anyone to stick up for him, least of all me.
So I will let you guys continue to discuss Jerry's ponytale, clothes, marrage and whatever. After all, enquirey minds wanna know...
Scott
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posted 01-25-2000 12:22 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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I can't believe I keep contributing to posts about Goldsmith's hair, but Lazlo's right about his early-sixties crew cut; you can see a picture of him with the selfsame "do" on the back of THE PRIZE album. I thought he looked amazingly like Dustin Hoffman at that time.Later he let it grow out and adopted the Robert Redford shaggy look (as seen in the late seventies and early eighties).
I'm not sure when he started with the ponytail, but perhaps he got the idea from Steven Seagal and Neil Norman's flamboyantly crazy mutual interview on that GNP/Crescendo "Best of Steven Seagal" CD. At one point, they go on and on and on about their own ponytails. It's a fascinating listen -- such a toss-up as to which of them is more nuts ...
posted 01-25-2000 01:03 PM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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Jerry Goldsmith have also an incredible tie collection.
He is very cool.
posted 01-25-2000 02:28 PM PT (US) 
Andre Lux
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I once dreamed to be taking coffe and donuts with Jerry at his home, togheter with his wife and a friend of mine.He seemed to be a very nice human being.
When I asked why he used that out fashioned ponny-tail he said he did it just to piss mr. Lucious Lazslo off.
I can't explain why, but in that dream this particulary gentleman seemed to be very influential upon Jerry Goldsmith's hair style.posted 01-25-2000 05:14 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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Are you curious to see the all-time worst incarnation of Jerry's hairstyle? I'm willing to post the link, but only if you promise not to sue me for any infliction of psychic trauma. Here ya go:
http://www.lipsia.de/~locutus/lcars25mainpage.htmScroll one-third down the page to the left-side pic surrounded by green letters. It's Jerry's disco-shag from his infamous Lost Weekend phase. Dating from when Jerry was trapped under the infernal sway of Benny Ulvaeus from Abba.....Oh the horror, the horror.....
posted 01-26-2000 07:12 AM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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I still think he has style and sure, I'm more interesting in his music. Have you ever seen the video about his life, recorded at the River Wild time? Sure not, you don't know what you're loosung...
BTW, I'd always love Dan's page to Goldsmith.
posted 01-26-2000 07:23 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Here's an interesting one...
If a film were being made of the great movie composers, Who would you cast as J.W.,J.G.,E.B. etc etc?If he were still alive I would cast Peter Sellers as John Barry, pictures from the early sixties show them as twins separated at birth!
er......how about Arnold Schwartzenbergmeister as Hans Zimmer ( well, he's got the right acsent)!

posted 01-26-2000 11:53 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I'm not sure about who I'd cast for Jerry Goldsmith, but I know the perfect match for John Williams:Richard Attenborough (of the Jurassic Park, Miracle on 34th Street fame).
Jeron
posted 01-26-2000 11:59 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Imagine Robert De Niro with gray hair and a pony tale. Could this be Jerry Goldsmith?Scott
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HAL 2000
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You Thawkin ta me? You THAWKIN TA ME?!
posted 01-26-2000 12:17 PM PT (US) 
H Rocco
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As I said above, when younger, Goldsmith bore a remarkable resemblance to the young Dustin Hoffman. I'm sure Hoffman could still pass very well for the ponytailed one.And I'd pick for Elmer Bernstein: the great Alan Rickman. (They have the same accent, after all, except Elmer's is, dare I say it, affected.)
posted 01-26-2000 12:17 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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This is a fun thread but some of the above comments regarding Goldsmith's self image are irrelevant, don't you think? I mean, if we're going to make issue of JG's ponytail and his big belt buckles and jeans then it just opens the season on everybody and their own particular idiosycracies... James Horner for his bogus English (or whatever) accent, for example. In the world of music what difference does it make? I could go my whole life and never know what Goldsmith looks or sounds like and still be in awe of his abilities. We all may be VERY surprised to know how very eccentric and even grotesque many of the greatest artists (some of whom we may admire very much) are/were.[This message has been edited by HAL 2000 (edited 26 January 2000).]
posted 01-26-2000 12:53 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I definitely agree with you there. Regardless of the composer's physical attributes - they are people just like us. It's their talents we admire, as film score fans. I personally, as you would probably imagine, think Goldsmith is a very cool guy! I don't know him personally (duh), but from the things I've read and the video/interviews I've seen, he looks to be a very exceptional man, as well. I think it's one thing to judge a person by character, but it's a completely separate issue to judge a person by their talent. These two judgements should never cross... they have absolutely nothing to do w/ each other.Jeron
[This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 26 January 2000).]
posted 01-26-2000 01:14 PM PT (US) 
Tom Scofield
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Jerry's ponytail is very utilitarian, he uses it to brush the flies away, just like a horse.
posted 01-26-2000 03:14 PM PT (US) 
Greg Bryant

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Instead of picking on Jerry for all his personal style changes he's gone through during his life, I think we should pick on a more suitable candidate...none other than Madonna!
posted 01-26-2000 04:58 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/4482/intro14.htmlThat previous pic was the wrong pic. Here's the Dustin Hoffman lookalike pic.
posted 01-26-2000 05:47 PM PT (US) 
Al

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My casting call...I'm not sure about Goldsmith's actor yet, but his voice-over should be done by actor Edward James Olmos.
James Newton Howard - Jonathan Pryce (Ronin, Tomorrow Never Dies)
Danny Elfman - Michael Keaton!
George Fenton - Alec Baldwin
Randy Edelman - Harry Anderson (Night Court, Dave's World, oh you know..)
Philip Glass - Christopher Walken
and David Arnold should be played by who? Well, Marc Shaiman, of course!
posted 01-26-2000 09:20 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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Hal and Jeron,
thank you, I agree.Hal,
as a kid Horner spend a lot of time in England, that's probably where he got his slide accent.Scott
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posted 01-27-2000 07:56 AM PT (US) 
Pete M

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Does anyone else think that this topic is getting slightly surreal?
posted 01-27-2000 08:29 AM PT (US) 
Greg Bryant

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No.
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