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Jeron
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Well, I just spent the last 30 minutes over at FSM, checking out the board everyone has seemed to have left in such a rush. I'm not going to bash it, cause I hate being a negative critic... but people - things over there were/are getting pretty ridiculous. I couldn't imagine what you guys were talking about, but trust me - I do now. I really hope your friend, Mr. 2 doesn't pay us a visit over here.Scott, this might be interesting to you - Mr. 2 seems to be the ultimate Goldsmith basher. After reading his comments (which are a bunch of nonsense to begin with), I think I see what Andre Lux and the rest of the FSM > MovieMusic recruits are saying.
Don't believe me? Check out these posts:
http://209.153.226.49/messageboard_html/Forum1/HTML/003344.html
http://209.153.226.49/messageboard_html/Forum1/HTML/003350.htmlAre those posts not absolutely upsetting?
Ah well, it's truly a shame a few people spoiled what used to be a good message board (according to others). All I can say is this: There are a heck of a lot of new people here. That's awesome. All of you seem to be top notch and I know you'll offer a lot to our discussions and to the site as a whole. Let's look to the future!
This concludes my assessment.
Jeron
[This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 19 January 2000).]
posted 01-19-2000 09:37 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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Jeron, a bit of perspective may be helpful here.
The Film Score Monthly Message Board was a wonderful community for a very long time. We certainly had our differences, and dealt with numerous individuals who sought only to cause disruption, but overall the board has always stood as a haven for anyone who wanted to talk about their love of film music.ENTER Y2K!
Everyone I know expected the banks to shut down along with all the computers.
Y2K didn't cause many problems, except if you were a regular visitor at the FSM Message Board!
Ever since the beginning of the New Year, the FSM Message Board has been broken.
Several of us have tried to work around the glitches, with some success.
However, an infamous Goldsmith Basher from the past chose to exploit this weakness to his advantage, and TODAY launched a WALL of TEN THREADS bashing Goldsmith, which resulted in a reaction that caused HAVOC at the board, which is what anyone visiting on January 19 experienced!None of this activity is representative of the FSM Message Board.
posted 01-19-2000 09:56 PM PT (US) Jeron
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Chris - I completely understand what you are saying. I guess I should've titled my post the "Jan. 19th Assessment." No offense to you guys. I'm glad you are here.Thanks for giving a little more background info, though. That's helpful.
Jeron
posted 01-19-2000 09:58 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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And, by the way, Jeron... DANIEL2, the Goldsmith Basher, has already posted here!Over a week ago!
posted 01-19-2000 09:59 PM PT (US) Wedge
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Jeron, I look forward to many an intellegent discourse with the interesting denizens of this corner of the web. Thank you for the warm welcome.(If apologies are neccessary, I hope you don't mind the sudden influx of Haiku. It was one of the best, most communal things about the fully operational FSM board, and I think I speak for many when I say we'd hate to lose it. Come on down! Try it out! Y'all just may enjoy yourselves.)
posted 01-19-2000 10:00 PM PT (US) Chris Kinsinger
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Jeron, we are all so happy to be here.
Imagine how you and your moviemusic.com pals would react if your message board began to sink like the Titanic.
I believe that this situation will be a benefit to both locations.
Already your "NP" (Now Playing) tagline is being used over at the FSM board!
And our love of Haiku has been planted here!
When the FSM board is repaired, I shall call BOTH locations my home!
I have been welcomed so warmly, and have already been made to feel at home, that I shall never leave!
I believe that there will be a tremendous number of cross-overs like myself who will enjoy spending time at both locations, to the benefit of ALL!
posted 01-19-2000 10:07 PM PT (US) Cole
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ouch
that stuff is rough.
you know, about a year and a half ago I decided to go check out the fsm page...I never went back.
posted 01-20-2000 12:57 AM PT (US) sabbey
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Personally I'd like to see someone post an "What's new in your collection" thread. That was my personal favorite from the FSM board.I might just post it myself, while I am here.
Sean Robert Abbey
posted 01-20-2000 05:50 AM PT (US) Dan Brecher
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Now see, it was posts like those Jeron links to above that scared me from ever posting on FSM.Dan (UK)
posted 01-20-2000 06:36 AM PT (US) Nicolai P. Zwar
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I have been at the FSM board since 1998, and there have been several interesting threads and discussions, and the vast majority of posters are really friendly and knowledgeable people who you just love to hang out and chat with. Of course, there have always been ups and downs and party poopers, but you can't have an open and well visited web hangout without having this happen from time to time.
Today, I went back to the board and checked out some of the more recent threads that have been posted over there right now and must say that that is indeed not representative of the usual type of discussions. That's just done by a (small) bunch of nincompoops who are taking advantage of the board's difficulty, who have given up on all good manners and let all hell break lose to post complete nonsense. Sorry you folks had to witness such childish behavior.
posted 01-20-2000 09:14 AM PT (US) Kevin
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Man, those two links are upsetting. That is one reason I'm glad that I am here more than any other film place on the net. Stuff like that isn't welcome here, and I hope(!!??!!) that strict steps will be taken if it ever appears.One of the reasons I rarely post to rec.music.movies is that some of the people (not you Nicolai - you're one of the good ones) take themselves way too seriously, and are very closed-minded. That (fortunately) never has happened here.
I'm here because of a love of film music. Nothing else. I never said I was the be-all and end-all of expertise, nor will I pretend to. That is one of the things that will kill a messageboard/newsgroup every time. People thinking they're better than others.
We all have our likes and dislikes. We all have our own opinions. Just because someone might not share them doesn't make them wrong, or idiots, or whatever. It's their opinion.
Rant over. We now return you to our program of dance music.....
Kevin
NP - The Blue Max (Goldsmith)posted 01-20-2000 11:15 AM PT (US) Matt
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I hate to say it, but i agreed with what he said. Not the Goldsmith bashing, nor the Con Air comments, but rather with his comment about how the music supports the movie, it is part of a bigger picture, etc etc. Of course, then he had to slam Goldsmith who has done some great stuff(im not the fan some of you are, but i hold him in high regards). Oh well....even fools get one thing right.
posted 01-20-2000 12:09 PM PT (US) Scott
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Jeron,
believe it or not I had visited that site just a few hours earlier before I read this here your post.What can I say. This guy would get Boyzone to do the score for any contemporary film and call it inovative and arty.
Taking his advise is like taking advise from Clinton about marrige, truth and integrety.
Perhaps he needs to get out more.
Scott
NP:Forever Young *****/*****
[This message has been edited by Scott (edited 20 January 2000).]
posted 01-20-2000 02:11 PM PT (US) PeterK
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Nicolai, I took a peek just now at the FSM board and it is a mess. I am not referring to the two links from above in Jeron's post. I am talking about the new Red Dawn thread. Disgusting! No respect on that board at all.So far, FSM's board is 2-for-2 when it comes to insulting people within the message board without regard for others who may read but not post.
This is pretty sad, and the reason I will be in here to make sure this place stays insult-free. I must admit, it's a lot harder now that a lot of FSM people are here, because they come from an endeavor that just plainly has had a very bad reputation over the years. Hopefully, those of you who came from FSM and are now posting here will recognize the civility of our community and participate accordingly. If not, I will not tolerate you and you will notice.
PeterK
NP - "Silverado" by Bruce Broughton
posted 01-20-2000 05:19 PM PT (US) Dan Brecher
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quote:
I'm here because of a love of film music. Nothing else. I never said I was the be-all and end-all of expertise, nor will I pretend to. That is one of the things that will kill a messageboard/newsgroup every time. People thinking they're better than others.Perectly put Kevin, I agree with your enitre post!
Dan (UK)
NP: Tomorrow Never Dies: Composers Cut (*****/*****)........yeah, AGAIN!
posted 01-21-2000 05:24 AM PT (US) Andre Lux
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Perfect! NO one is better than anyone.
We are just guys writing our opinions about music. No one will die because of that.Thanks!
posted 01-21-2000 06:14 AM PT (US) Thor
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Hmmm. I've been with the FSM messageboard since the very beginning in, when was it, 96? And in my eyes, it's always been a tightly knit community that separated it from the below-the-belt remarks made at places like rec.movies.music.Of course, as in any messageboard and in any anarchistic internet location, there has been, and to a certain extent still are, people who won't respect what we have going for it, and thus ruins the entire rep for everyone. As has been said already, it's NOT representative of the FSM board (which, by the way, has always been regarded highly by other film music sites, as far as I know).
posted 01-21-2000 10:08 AM PT (US) KyleS
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I for one am saddened to hear that the FSM board has "bad reputation." I've been reading and posting there since the very beginning as well and it hurts to hear this garbage. This is a nice site here, but I'm wondering if I even want to stick around. It's threads like these that are harbingers of threads like Daniel2's. It's only a matter of time...
posted 01-21-2000 01:39 PM PT (US) PeterK
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KyleS,If I may be frank, I disagree that "it's only a matter of time." As long as I am here, that time will never come. If Daniel2 wants to make it so, he has his chance for two seconds of fame. However, he'll never be allowed to post another thing on the site if he does post garbage. I could ban Daniel2 right now if I wanted, but I won't. If he decides to desecrate, that's his choice. He will also reap the consequences of such a choice later on.
So, no, it's not a matter of time before this board gets nasty. I won't let it happen!
As for FSM being a great board, I am sure it has some great moments! But when you say what's going on over there right now is not representative, I find that hard to believe, because in a matter of three days, just as many destructive threads have been posted. As they say, the proof is in the pudding!
Enough for me. I hope you enjoy this message board as much as I do. A lot of great people are here, and I intended for them to stay. In fact, I only expect the great community to get stronger with each new member.
Have a great weekend!
PeterK
NP - "Angela's Ashes" by Williams
[This message has been edited by PeterK (edited 21 January 2000).]
posted 01-21-2000 01:50 PM PT (US) Nicolai P. Zwar
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In defense of Daniel2: I would have to say that, whatever one can hold against him, Daniel2 is usually not offensive or ill mannered.I even respect his opinions about Jerry Goldsmith. I respect them, but Lord knows, I certainly don't share them. (But this has been beaten to death already in old FSM threads).
The only annoying thing about Daniel is his insistence to re-write the very same ideas with hardly any variation over and over and over again in new thread after new thread after new thread. If he would just wrap it all up in one, or perhaps even as many as three (at the most) threads, it would be fine. Heck if I know why he doesn't tire of it.
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