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    Topic:   Scores that should have won the oscar

     RBbehemoth
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    Hello, this topic is for people to post their opinions on what scores should have won an oscar but didn't, or even scores that didn't get nominated that you think should have been. (Yes, I'm bored)

    Scores that should have won but didn't:
    The Prince of Tides
    Poltergiest (yes I still like E.T.)

    Scores that didn't get nominated:
    Silence of the lambs (or did it?)
    Jaws 2
    MANY Goldsmith scores!!

    Well I've drawn a blank once again, so I'll let you all help remind me what other scores didn't get their due =)

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    posted 01-14-2000 03:16 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Mulan definitely should have won...

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    posted 01-14-2000 03:25 PM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Good Will Hunting. Damn it, give Elfman a bloody Oscar!!!!!!!

    Dan (UK)

    NP: An mp3 of that cool tune from 'The Beach' trailer.

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    posted 01-14-2000 04:00 PM PT (US)     

     robin4
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    Why did Chariots of Fire win? Besides the amazing theme, the rest BLEW CHUNKS!

    Raiders of the Lost Ark should have won BY FAR!

    And yes, many Goldsmith scores should have.

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    posted 01-14-2000 04:21 PM PT (US)     

     S Smith
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    "L.A. Confidential"

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    posted 01-14-2000 05:10 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Braveheart. Period.
    Good Will Hunting didnt deserve an Oscar, But Edward Scissorhands did.

    NP: Batman(finally got it)

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    posted 01-14-2000 05:15 PM PT (US)     

     PeterD
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    I second Jeron's vote on "Mulan." And going back a ways, I think it's a crime that "The Big Country" lost out to "The Old Man and the Sea". . .

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    posted 01-14-2000 05:21 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron Hose
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    I'll agree with Good Will Hunting.
    Also, Braveheart...and quite a few that I can't remember right now...

    - A.

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    posted 01-14-2000 05:59 PM PT (US)     

     Onelegger
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    A debate I make ever year around oscar time. My picks of the top of my head.....

    Braveheart
    The Thin Red Line
    The American President (comedy)
    The Empire Strikes Back (lost to Fame! c'mon)
    Batman (not even a nod!?)
    Goldfinger (in my opinion, huge 007 fan)

    NP - The American President

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    posted 01-14-2000 08:14 PM PT (US)     

     SplbrgWlms
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    Speaking of James Bond scores... why not the best (in my opinion) in the series? On Her Majesty's Secret Service was a great score.

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    posted 01-14-2000 08:20 PM PT (US)     

     Marc Flake
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    OHMSS was the first Bond score I bought. I played the h*** out of that LP. I finally got the CD and it has this black stain on it that I can't remove with anything. Apparently it was there when it got made.

    Been thinking of getting is polished, shaved. Anyone out there had this happen?

    As for the Oscars, let's not get worked up about that. It's primarily political and rarely has anything to do with how good something is. Sometimes we get lucky and one of "ours" gets selected.

    Hey, it's just an awards show. You can show how you feel by buying a CD.

    Marc (fighting evil whereever it lurks!)

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    posted 01-14-2000 08:25 PM PT (US)     

     Ted
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    Braveheart, yes...But also Glory, which wasn't even nominated!

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    posted 01-14-2000 08:55 PM PT (US)     

     Will
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    I think that Goldsmith should have won at least 3 times. The guy was nominated for 17 times and only won once for The Omen. Though I may not own all or not even half of his nominated scores, I feel that he deserves an Oscar more than the other composers.

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    posted 01-14-2000 09:19 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Williams should have been nominated for Jurrasic Park.

    Jeron your right, Mulan should have gotten it.

    SFT I'm with Good Will Hunting should have gotten it.

    Side Note..That Menken got any awards for his lame filler music scores not to mention so many of them is an abomination IMHO.


    Scott

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    posted 01-14-2000 09:43 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    PeterD (first millions of Aarons, now Peters are popping up all over the place),

    You couldn't be more right about The Big Country.

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    posted 01-14-2000 10:13 PM PT (US)     

     RBbehemoth
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    Jurassic park was not nominated because for that year the ocsars would only allow a composer to be nominated once, and williams was nominated for schindlers list. That rule did not last long however.

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    posted 01-15-2000 12:51 AM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    Saving Private Ryan.

    --Crono/Kyp
    Writer/Director/Producer

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    posted 01-15-2000 01:27 AM PT (US)     

     Matthew
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    Almost every Goldsmith score ever nominated should have won in my opinion.A few examples right off the top of my head:

    Chinatown
    The Wind and the Lion
    Poltergeist
    Under Fire
    Basic Instinct

    [This message has been edited by Matthew (edited 15 January 2000).]

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    posted 01-15-2000 01:31 AM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    Yes, Goldsmith should have won another Oscar AGES ago!!

    And I also think it is time for that sloppy acadamy to let Elfman win!

    SFT

    NP: Extreme Measures, Danny Elfman


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    posted 01-15-2000 02:55 AM PT (US)     

     Dr.Evil
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    I will not put a Goldsmith list here, it's endless, but try these:
    The Mission -Ennio Morricone
    Braveheart -James Horner
    Jurassic Park - At least a nomination Williams
    HOOK - OH GOD!!!!
    And the list goes on...

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    posted 01-15-2000 07:36 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    You know Poltergeist was great as was Sophie's Choice.
    But ET did deserve the award, what a score so sensitive and beautiful. It was a dificult year that year.

    Scott

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    posted 01-15-2000 12:04 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Wow--you can't bring up this topic without Tiomkin beating Moross in 58 being considered the classic Oscar no-no.

    Tiomkin was well liked in Hollywood and went around really promoting the score as one of the best things he'd done (it's not), whereas Moross, while not an outsider, was shy and less self-promoting. Needless to say, Moross' score is one of the best scores ever and Tiomkin's (and I love Tiomkin) is one I rarely ever play.

    Oscar politics make most of Oscar selections ridiculous anyway, but we all know that....

    In 1956, all the composers got together in collusion to see that Vic Young (who had just died and had never won an award) won his Oscar postumously. I'm sure similar conversations go on today.

    Someone working in Hollywood once told me (and there is no way of knowing if it's true) that the reason Goldsmith doesn't win Oscars is that he's respected but not liked. Someone else in Hollywood told me that Goldsmith isn't even respected, that "He's the guy you get when you can't get Williams."

    A real shame if there is an anti-Goldsmith bias in Hollywood because IMHO he puts out award-winning stuff nearly every year.

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    posted 01-16-2000 10:05 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Bernard Herrmann wasn't even NOMINATED for the following:

    VERTIGO
    NORTH BY NORTHWEST
    PSYCHO

    ... nor was Max Steiner acknowledged in the least for his astonishing KING KONG (although both film scoring and the Oscars were still in their infancy then -- Willis O'Brien didn't get even a Special Oscar nod for his pioneering visual effects ... )

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    posted 01-16-2000 10:10 PM PT (US)     

     JoeInSanDiego
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    Star Trek -TMP
    Poltergeist
    Patton
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    L.A. Confidential
    Mulan

    and too many more to post...the Oscars SUCK!

    :-)

    SP - Company of Wolves (Fenton)

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    posted 01-16-2000 10:38 PM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    Woah, where to start? Planet of the Apes, Patton, L.A.Confidential, Chinatown, The Edge, A Patch of Blue, Mulan, Papillon, The Blue Max, 13th Warrior etc. etc. (okay, that's enough Goldsmith for now).
    I reckon The Nightmare B4 Xmas should have been nominated - especcially since it's so much better than all those Alan Menken song ones that kept winning. Ed Scissorhands, Batman, & Batman Returns should have got the nod too (here's keeping my fingers crossed for Sleepy Hollow - not that it'd actually win, of course). There's far too many more to even think about, so I won't think any more about it, since it's quite irritating, & I want to stay in a good mood...

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    posted 01-17-2000 06:58 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Lou Goldberg,

    A thought on whether Goldsmith is "liked" or not. I think the problem with him hasn't been "likability" but the voting members' ENVY of him. I think ENVY was also the motivating factor behind James Horner and Danny Elfman being snubbed for so long.

    Now Horner and Elfman HAVE been nominated, along with the likes of James Newton Howard and Mark Isham. Why? Perhaps because the nominating board is skewing ever younger, and the younger composers are more likely to nominate their peers. Some of these kids might well see Goldsmith as being "over the hill."

    Williams keeps getting nominated almost by reflex, I think -- also, he'll always be a God to the younger generation because he did STAR WARS, so how could he do any wrong?

    Another problem Goldsmith might have is that, unlike Williams, he does so MANY projects, and picks them seemingly indiscriminately at times. This year, Williams did THE PHANTOM MENACE (Star Wars, nuff said) and ANGELA'S ASHES, a high-profile drama based on a bestselling memoir. Goldsmith did the mediocre MUMMY, the overbudgeted insta-flop 13TH WARRIOR, and the utterly ghastly THE HAUNTING. That he did good work on all of these is immaterial; I think the Hollywood community increasingly perceives Goldsmith as (I shudder to say it) a hack.

    (I CAN tell you Elfman doesn't feel this way. The Academy asks its voters not to tell who they vote for, but Elfman's said in at least one interview that he voted for Goldsmith's L.A. CONFIDENTIAL because he's such a "Goldsmith groupie" -- and this means he voted AGAINST HIMSELF, nominated in the same category for GOOD WILL HUNTING. Good boy! Especially nice of him considering that was the first year he was EVER nominated, and he'd been ROBBED of nominations a couple of times before ... )

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    posted 01-17-2000 08:39 PM PT (US)     

     Thor
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    Why Elfman's NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS and/or BATMAN wasn't even nominated is beyond me, especially considering the latter's influence.

    The must-mention score would have to be Morricone's THE MISSION, though. What were they thinking? Today, this is one of the few "household" scores we've got. Even "Mr. Smith" knows this one...

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    posted 01-18-2000 10:13 AM PT (US)     

     Andre Lux
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    I honestly think it would be easier to point which scores DID deserved that ridicule prize.
    I mean, who cares for the Oscars? I don't, for sure. It's just a popularity contest (as H. Rocco well said at FSM).

    But I can't think on anything more shamefull than 1986:

    - THE MISSION
    - HOOSIERS
    - STAR TREK 6
    - ALIENS

    And the winner is.... ROUND MIDNIGHT (which isn't even an original score !!)

    No, thanks!

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    posted 01-18-2000 04:43 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Two things, Andre buddy,

    STAR TREK *4* not *6* (but you knew that; just a slip of the old fingers, I'm sure) --

    -- and -- the "Oscars being a popularity contest" quote was borrowed from YOU!!!

    NP: RIO CONCHOS (Goldsmith, FSM version)

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    posted 01-18-2000 04:59 PM PT (US)     

     Dr.Evil
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    Hey, cool that guy, Mr. Elfman! Did he really said that? Amazing.
    Ah.. Now I discovered what this means:
    NP: Michael Kamen's Mr. Holland Opus

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    posted 01-18-2000 05:10 PM PT (US)     

     Andre Lux
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    Ups!!! "Star Trek 4" of course (Thanks Rocco)

    So Elfman is a "Goldsmith groupie"?? At least the guy has some good taste for film music afteral!

    NP: My girl's sneezing at my side

    [This message has been edited by Andre Lux (edited 18 January 2000).]

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    posted 01-18-2000 06:25 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Wait, Rocco...im having a little trouble getting past this: Did you just call one of the most enjoyable movies to come out this year..the Mummy...mediocre?
    damn....2 people i have to hunt down

    NP: Strange Days

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    posted 01-18-2000 07:05 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Hahaha, good luck GETTING to me. I am good pals with the ACTUAL Imhotep, and he's more than happy to run interference for me -- his own opinion is one reason neither of us much cared for THE MUMMY.

    It's not a TERRIBLE film (I see I liked it more than Leonard Maltin did -- is he also on your list?), but COME ON.

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    posted 01-18-2000 07:27 PM PT (US)     

     Chris Kinsinger
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    I sat at my TV, watching the Oscars, the year that Jerry Goldsmith's "Patton", and Alfred Newman's (final score) "Airport" BOTH LOST to Francis Lai's "Love Story"!

    I was scarred for life.

    Several years later I watched again as Williams's "Superman", and Goldsmith's "The Boys From Brazil" BOTH LOST to Georgio Moroder's "Midnight Express".

    Scarred twice.

    HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE OSCARS:

    The Nominating Process is usually very accurate, because actors nominate their peers, and on down the line (editors nominate editors, writers nominate writers, etc.).
    So, the nominees usually are the most deserving of being awarded.
    If I were King Of The World, HERE is where the process would stop.
    ALL nominees would actually be the WINNERS for that year!

    THE PROBLEM is that then ALL of the nominees are voted on by the entire Academy, which means that actors are voting for editors, writers are voting for sound effects technicians, and ALL of them are voting for composers.
    THAT is why "Chariots Of Fire" won!
    AND "Love Story"!
    Even Randy Newman said last year, "Well, now that I'm an Academy Member, I get to vote for the best editing. What the hell do I know about editing?"

    There it is.

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    posted 01-18-2000 08:19 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Leonard Maltin is a ****ing idiot, of course he's on my list(read his review of the Shawshank Redemption, looking at it again just makes my blood boil)
    And if Imhotep doesnt like a film that makes him look awesome, then hes also on the list. MUHUAHAHAHA!!!!

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    posted 01-18-2000 08:46 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Matt,
    did you forget to take your medicine again?

    Otherwise I agree, The Mummy was the bomb.

    Scott

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    posted 01-19-2000 12:31 PM PT (US)     

     JohnnyK
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    Matthew and Rocco have it.

    The Academy has become a politicized Mutual Admiration Society, tone deaf to boot.

    No award for Jerome Moross' The Big Country, one of the greatest accomplishments in all music, not just film music.

    No award for Vertigo, NbyNW, Psycho.

    And Star Trek-TMP losing to a non-descript Delerue effort, that was simply criminal, IMHO.

    When Disney songfest junk rates more than even a Cliff Eidelman score, that shows up the Academy for what it is.

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    posted 01-19-2000 06:02 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Whatever H Rocco says I now believe is gospel truth.

    I was only passing along gossip. I think many do think of Goldsmith as a hack which is criminal.

    H-Man, send me your e-mail address please--I've got to talk to you!

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    posted 01-19-2000 09:57 PM PT (US)     

     Brian Mellies
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    The following is the line up for 1960's Best Score Oscar: ELMER GANTRY - Andre Previn
    EXODUS - Ernest Gold
    SPARTACUS - Alex North
    THE ALAMO - Dimitri Tiomkin
    THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN (1960) - Elmer Bernstein
    Their isn't a loser in the lot. However, I think it would be fair to state that Exodus' win probably owed a great deal to the hit recording Ferrante & Teicher made of the Main Title. A performance, it must be noted, which did not appear in the film. As arguably the most complex and original score ever written for a film, I would have liked to see the Academy step up to the plate and give the award to "Spartacus". However, I would have to assume those very facts militated against the score.

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