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    Topic:   "We all go a little mad sometimes..."

     Mark Hatfield
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    H Rocco;
    Hey! I take it from your answer that I was not the only person on the planet who found something to like about EXORCIST III (Blatty directing). That one kinda illustrated my point about FX over quiet chills, though -- the stories about Morgan Creek freaking out after early test screenings & ordering up a new, FX-oriented, "exorcism" ending are practically the stuff of legend now. While I agree with you about the OMEN sequels basically devolving into a "creative homicides" thing, I AM still disturbed by the music for all 3 of 'em (less said about the made-for-TV 4th one, the better). I have even gotten used to the kind of boingy synth-beat for the main title in DAMIEN: OMEN II .
    I haven't read Masterton in a while now. Last one (NIGHT WARRIORS?) was a mixed bag -- disturbing imagery mated to a plot straight out of the 3rd NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET. Come to think of it, the Wes Craven entries in that series had some pretty good scoring.....
    I would LOVE to see a non-Disco Era visualization of THE MANITOU. Also with you on INSOMNIA -- IF handled properly. Underrated book & full of visual touches, honest chills, character-driven action & a "the clock is ticking" engine that could drive it down the road nicely.
    Ihopeihopeihope that the plans for THE TALISMAN gel. What a fine book! If they can resist the temptation to get too cutesy in casting the pre-adolescent lead, this one could go very well indeed. Hate to get conventional on this, but with the many themes and issues involved I would really like to see John Williams involved. It's not that other worthy composers cannot establish and weave disparate themes together; JW (due in part to his employment choices over the last 20 years or so) does this on the epic scale called for by the story more than anyone else, and never seems to "phone it in".
    Call me crazy, but an honest remake of WATCHERS (by Dean Koontz) with a score by Barry or Silvestri sounds cool.......

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    posted 01-21-2000 12:37 AM PT (US)     

     James
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    Hey Mark,
    I'm interested by your question of which horror novels should be made into movies. Although I don't know any true horror novels, there are a number of masterful short stories I know which would make great horror movies...

    Ambrose Bierce
    Beyond the Wall
    A Holy Terror
    The Spook House

    Fredric Brown
    - Come and Go Mad
    - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik (<-- requires masterful score)
    - It Didn't Happen

    Nathaniel Hawthorne
    Dr. Heidegger's Experiment

    H.P. Lovecraft
    The Music of Erich Zann (<-- requires masterful score)
    The Rats in the Walls

    Just my 2 cents. One question though... I seem to remember there being a recent direct-to-video horror movie called "The Talisman." Is it based on what you are talking about?

    James
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    posted 01-21-2000 08:59 AM PT (US)     

     Mark Hatfield
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    Hi, James!
    Couldn't agree with you more about your story-to-movie choices. ANYTHING by Bierce could probably stand adaptation (many already have). You have excellent taste, sir.
    Ashamed, Part II: I have never read "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik"!! Not really sure I've ever even heard of it. If chagrin had a melody, you'd be hearing it now..... Care to offer any clues where I might go after it?
    Another author of creepy stories that bears adaptation is Roald Dahl. For all of the celebration of his more whimsical stuff (and their filmic representations), the dude wrote some NASTY little chillers. Maybe a movie in the anthology format? For all of his connection to kids' hearts & heads, I somehow think Elfman would be great....give him a chance to really go over-the-top with those haunting children's chorales that he likes to use!
    Last thing: you are right on the mark, IMHO, with "Rats in the Walls". Who would you trust to visualize & score this one? Lovecraft has gone horribly awry in most previous adaptation attempts (though I still get creeped out by "Pickman's Model" from the old NIGHT GALLERY series).

    NP: THE KEEP (Tangerine Dream) 4.5/5*
    I just can't seem to get enough of this one!

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    posted 01-21-2000 12:22 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Unfortunately, Fredric Brown's short stories are all out-of-print now. I read "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik," and all the other Brown stories, in a compilation called "The Best of Fredric Brown." You might find it at one of those mass-used book sales. Or, you can go to barnesandnoble.com, click on their out-of-print section, and search "Fredric Brown" -- make sure you spell it right -- and you should find a few copies there from $20 to $30.

    Now, about "Rats in the Walls"... it is tough to assign someone to capture Lovecraft's imagination. I think the director best suited would be Dan O'Bannon. He wrote "Alien" and John Carpenter's "Dark Star," but I'm basing this off of a low-budget movie he did called The Resurrected which was an adaptation of Lovecraft's "The Strange Case of Charles Dexter Ward." Despite his miniscule budget, I think O'Bannon did the best screen version of any Lovecraft story I've seen. He would be the best to do "Rats in the Walls." As for composer, I'd give it to Richard Band. He worked with O'Bannon on The Resurrected, and the result was pretty eerie. Band can do great things with a full symphony orchestra... like I said before, Richard Band is the master of the horror score.

    James

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    posted 01-21-2000 03:08 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Oops... accidental double post.

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    posted 01-21-2000 03:09 PM PT (US)     

     Tom Scofield
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    I know this is going "way back" into the 1950s-1960s, but I would put these horror scores up against any today:

    THE BLACK SLEEP
    VOODOO ISLAND
    PHAROAH'S CURSE
    THE INVISIBLE BOY (semi-sequel to FORBIDDEN PLANET)
    THE GIRL IN BLACK STOCKINGS
    THE BRIDE AND THE BEAST
    MACABRE
    GOLIATH AND THE BARBARIANS
    THE CITY OF BLOOD/THE SACRED IDOL
    GOLIATH AND THE DRAGON
    THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER
    ALAKAZAM THE GREAT
    THE PIT AND THE PENDULUM
    BLACK SUNDAY (1961 version)
    SAMSON AND THE SEVEN MIRACLES OF THE WORLD
    THE PREMATURE BURIAL
    TALES OF TERROR
    GOLIATH AND THE VAMPIRES
    THE RAVEN
    PANIC IN YEAR ZERO!
    THE EVIL EYE
    THE COMEDY OF TERRORS
    BATTLE BEYOND THE SUN
    X-THE MAN WITH THE X-RAY EYES
    BLACK SABBATH
    THE GLASS SPHINX
    WILD IN THE STREETS
    THE DUNWICH HORROR
    CRY OF THE BANSHEE
    AN EVENING WITH EDGAR ALLEN POE
    BARON BLOOD
    THE BEAST WITHIN

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    posted 02-06-2000 10:33 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Hatfield
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    Tom;
    Nice to see someone else that remembers & savors good horror films and their scores. The scores for BLACK SUNDAY and THE DUNWICH HORROR are, at best, underrated. THE DUNWICH HORROR had a "whistleable" theme that never failed to completely creep me out. Another in that vein was HORROR EXPRESS, which had the body-jumping beastie whistling a haunting tune in the dead of the night. Brrrrrrr.

    NP: THE NATURAL 5/5*

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    posted 02-07-2000 12:26 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I know I've brought this up before, and even received a reply, but I failed to make a note of it.

    There are at least TWO scores to one of the earliest Paul Naschy werewolf pictures -- possibly it was even the first. One of them was available in a slightly better print; the other had the better score. I think the better print was in German, but the one with the better score, well I don't know from whence that derived. But it has this wonderfully nasty, grinding Morricone-like chant theme whenever Naschy transforms.

    Title is variously VAMPIRE OF DR. DRACULA or MARK OF THE WOLFMAN. I haven't seen it in many years, but it's one of my favorite werewolf pictures. Only a tiny handful (pawful?) of them ever made properly, I think. Strange that one can point to any number of good-to-great vampire pictures, but there are WAY fewer in the werewolf category.

    Sorry to have repeated this question. In short, is the better score the one credited to the original Spanish-language version, composed by Angel Arteaga?

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    posted 02-07-2000 03:15 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Hmm, this one seemed to have dropped off the charts. Here we go again. I'm rather fond of this one.

    Nobody ANSWERED my Naschy question (although perhaps I deserved it for being too lazy to note the answer the FIRST time) ... and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry ...

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    posted 03-28-2000 02:36 PM PT (US)     

     John Maher
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    It seems to me that Thrillers and Sci-Fi have made these lists. To me, there just was never, ever anything scarier than the music in "Halloween".

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    posted 03-28-2000 02:59 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    H Rocco: I will go with you on Reincarnation of Peter Proud. It was the first rated R movie I every saw in the theater. I can still remember the scene where he sees his old house in his new life. And the sccene where he is dreaming by the pool and reveals who he is. Very creepy.

    But the creepiest part is where he sleeps with his own daughter and it isn't incest!!! Extemely creepy!!

    That is a score that needs releasing.

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    posted 03-28-2000 06:18 PM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    Hmm ... I see we have some Bierce fans here. You know, he's my great-great-great-great-great-uncle? No joke! We share chromosomes. The ol' cynic worms his way into my brain every once and a while. I'm usually listening to Horner.

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    posted 03-28-2000 06:18 PM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    Horner? You happened to be listening to Horner? I hope you meant that as funny as it sounds to me, Wedge ...

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    posted 03-28-2000 10:32 PM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Personally, I find a lot of the Halloween scores very eerie, especially 4, 5 and 6. Alan Howarth did any amazing job expanding on John Carpenter's original, symplistic material.

    Also: Jaws (I consider it a horror film, anyway), Scream, and I Know What You Did Last Summer.

    Oh, and Stan Winston's Pumpkinhead, music by Richard Stone. Varese was supposed to release the CD, but cnacelled it at the last minute. (Probably would've been 30 minutes long anyway! ARGH!)

    NP: Quigley, Down Under - "The Fire" *****/***** (My favorite western score. Now I just need a sequel, and live would be sweet.)

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    posted 03-29-2000 12:20 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    PUMPKINHEAD -- fine film and score. I saw it in Japan when it was still called VENGEANCE: THE DEMON and still had the Varese logo on its end credits. Since it didn't get much of a theatrical release in America, Varese decided not to pay what it would have cost to put it out. Alas -- it was a very fine score. (Anyone seen the LD or DVD with the outtakes, including, I'm told, Pumpkinhead sneaking up on the characters at a gas station? Wondering.)

    NP: KING SOLOMON'S MINES

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    posted 03-29-2000 01:13 AM PT (US)     

     dantoris
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    Must be the Laserdisc. The film's (unfortunately) not out on DVD yet. Otherwise, I would own. Lance Henriksen shows us once again just how great an actor he is.

    NP: Star Wars - "Princess Leia's Theme" *****/*****

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    posted 03-29-2000 01:35 AM PT (US)     

     Timmer
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    Excellent End Title on Pumpkinhead!!

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    posted 03-29-2000 03:36 AM PT (US)     

     Mark Hatfield
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    Once again I am reminded of how much I really do love you guys. PUMPKINHEAD!!!!

    I really had begun to wonder if I was the only person who even remembered - much less enjoyed - this fine little horror flick. I have a soft spot in my heart for low-budgeted films that actually deliver the goods. A strong score, good writing, and an effective sense of atmosphere (terrific cinematography!) make this a fave for me. I do hope that there is a DVD release - damn you, Rocco! Deleted scenes?! - and that it includes some "extras".

    Anyone out there remember BAD DREAMS?


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    posted 03-29-2000 10:17 AM PT (US)     

     James
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    Wedge -
    You kdding?!?!?! That's awesome!

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    posted 03-29-2000 10:39 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    I avoided BAD DREAMS -- is it really any good, Mark? (I'm inferring it must be, why else mention it.)

    Went to the IMDb to see who ran the camera for PUMPKINHEAD -- I remember being amazed at the way it looked -- and hey presto, no one's LISTED! I'm not sure, but ... wasn't it Janusz Kaminski, who's become Spielberg's favorite from SCHINDLER'S LIST on? (If not him, I'm PRETTY sure it was one of the brief but voluminous influx of Eastern Europeans -- Jerzy Zielinski, Alexander Gruszynski, one of those inskis.)

    I'll roll by the video store and look at the box. (Maybe rent it again, what the hell. No, not today, I'll be gone all night.)

    Mark (and co.,) my brother Jon (who doesn't post here) told me about the outtake from PUMPKINHEAD, said it actually takes place during the DAY, and that it's awesomely creepy and he can't figure out why it was cut. (I can: timeline problem.)

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    posted 03-29-2000 10:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Just popped my 1997 reissue in the VCR, and it says "Director of Photography: Bojan Bazelli." (I don't really like the cover artwork of this version, with Pumpkinhead and Lance Henriksen holding the shotgun. I like the original, with Pumpkinhead standing near a tree, arms raised). (Also, one of my favorite moments has to be when the guy and girl are running for the motorcycle. The guy jumps on and tries to start it, but then he sees Pumpkinhead standing there, dangling the engine chain from his finger. Creepy, but cool!)

    By the way: has anyone seen the two sequels? I've seen Pumpkinhead 2: Blood Wing - which looked like a really REALLY bad student film - but I can't find any info on the third film.

    And has anyone ever read the poem Pumkinhead is based on? Is it called Vengeance: The Demon (the film's original title), or something else?

    NP: Pumpkinhead - "Main Titles" (I'm letting the main titles play while I type. Hey - the farmer in the opening flashback scene, who's being chased by Pumpkinhead, is Dick Warlock, the stuntman who played Michael Myers in Halloween 2. See? You learn something new everday. Hard to believe Stone would go on to compose such comedic music for Animaniacs and such after listening to this, hu?)

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    posted 03-29-2000 11:24 AM PT (US)     

     Wedge
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    James: No, I'm NOT kidding! I thought it was pretty damn cool, too!

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    posted 03-29-2000 11:27 AM PT (US)     

     H Rocco
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    BOJAN BAZELLI! Yes! Thank you! I don't know why he hasn't had a more prolific career. He's at least as good as any of the "inskis" mentioned above, who have all moved on to bigger budgeted things. It really often is just the luck of the draw.

    Richard Stone going from PUMPKINHEAD to ANIMANIACS ... I think any composer with an ounce of talent has more range than we imagine, just as it is with actors. If anything, they're often DYING to break whatever mold they're in. Shirley Walker, for example, found herself in the odd (for a female composer) position of being considered a composer only of bombast; she was thrilled at the chance to work on ESCAPE FROM L.A., to show that she could do a whole other kind of thing (and did she ever, I love that album). As well, Christopher Young spent YEARS trapped in the horror ghetto, and was desperate to prove he could score action (HARD RAIN), drama (HAUNTED SUMMER), and comedy (his spectacular MAN WHO KNEW TOO LITTLE).

    In the same vein, John Williams took HOME ALONE mainly because he felt like doing a comedy (anyone else remember that Bruce Broughton's name was on the first posters, and that Jonathan Sheffer nearly replaced HIM before Williams came aboard? Neither composer wrote a note of score, to my knowledge -- it just turned out to be Williams. As Sheffer put it, "I learned I lost it to John Williams ... you can't exactly cry over that." Sheffer DID later score ENCINO MAN, but was replaced by J. Peter Robinson, then hot off WAYNE'S WORLD. Nowadays it seems that Sheffer mostly conducts, or stumps for Bill Clinton on Long Island. Elfman and Goldenthal often retain Sheffer as a conductor, and he's a good one.)

    NP: MECHAGODZILLA STRIKES AGAIN (Akira Ifukube) (another guy who had more range than he ever got credit for, at least over here)

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    posted 03-29-2000 11:34 AM PT (US)     
     

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