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Pete M Oscar® Winner	Please let's not get into this Elfman debate again. Personally, I think both Elfman & Goldenthal did wonderful jobs on the Batman scores, but the film were radically different, & demanded different scores. If I personally lean more towards the Elfman scores, perhaps that's just because I'm such a huge Tim Burton fan, & didn't really like what Joel Schumacher did with the franchise. But I still love & admire Goldenthal's efforts, & I really like a lot of his score (even if they sometimes take a while to grow on me). But please, let's just leave the Elfman debate out of this one - we've already lost the X-Men topic to it, please let's not let this one go the same way. np Sleepy Hollow
posted 01-21-2000 05:15 AM PT (US)

Andre Lux unregistered	I agree with you Pete, altought I don't see anything wrong with a good debate. What I find strange is this personal attacks, like if everyone was forced think Elfman is somekind of God of film music otherwise the name calling will start. Thanks.
posted 01-21-2000 06:12 AM PT (US)

Thor Oscar® Winner	André - you should be evicted. You have ruined one thread already. Please don't ruin another one. [This message has been edited by Thor (edited 21 January 2000).]
posted 01-21-2000 11:07 AM PT (US)

Andre Lux unregistered	Thor, I never ment to ruin this thread for you or any other Elfmaniac. Sorry if you feel this way. But you see I can't change my opinions just because you can't stand a bad review toward your favorite composer. Things don't work this way in the real world, you know...
posted 01-21-2000 11:14 AM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner	Andre, So this is an age-thing for you, huh? First of all, you don´t even know me...you don´t know the first thing about my knowledge in filmmusic or if I have any pets. I find it rather interesting, that someone like you, who likes to think he knows something about filmmusic, would actually stoob down to insulting someone about their age. Can´t you do better than that? You have my sympathy... SFT NP: Citizen Kane, Bernard Herrmann ***/***
posted 01-21-2000 11:17 AM PT (US)

spango Oscar® Winner	this is a quite ridiculous conversation... -spango
posted 01-21-2000 03:25 PM PT (US)

Andre Lux unregistered	I think it's time for me to just ignore you boys. Good night and be happy!! Tlim-tlim-tlim...
posted 01-21-2000 06:07 PM PT (US)

SFT Oscar® Winner
posted 01-22-2000 02:47 PM PT (US)

Andre Lux unregistered	.
posted 01-23-2000 12:59 PM PT (US)

Aaron Collins Oscar® Winner
posted 04-04-2000 09:14 PM PT (US)

Aaron Collins Oscar® Winner	Well, I read these dispariging reviews and said should I get it? or should I just forget about it? So... I decided to buy it and I think it is an awesome cd! You have to have a certain taste to really enjoy his music. His cues are just so cool and original! I think he is one of the most complex composers out there and I really enjoy his intriquicy. I have heard many composers(Jerry Goldsmith, Elmer Bernstein, John Williams) speak highly of the young composer. His music was perfect for Titus and those opening credits are awesome! As far as Batman is concerned, Elfman's score is perfect and his theme is definitely memorable. Goldenthal's theme is also great, but it falls short of the originals. If you want to listen to power, listen to Cincinatti Pops The Big Picture(Batman Forever Cues). Talk about a sound! I have to say the horn stuff Goldenthal writes is awesome! Andre, I am 18 and I enjoy Danny Elfman. Thanks, Aaron Collins NP: Titus
posted 04-04-2000 09:21 PM PT (US)

Kris Koon Oscar® Winner	n/a [Message edited by Kris Koon on 12-06-2000]
posted 04-04-2000 09:28 PM PT (US)

Kris Koon Oscar® Winner	OK, that didn't look as good as I hoped.
posted 04-04-2000 09:50 PM PT (US)

Kris Koon Oscar® Winner	...but at least I'm a member now.
posted 04-04-2000 09:54 PM PT (US)

H Rocco Oscar® Winner	Good Lord, talk about an A for Effort, though ... NP: NOT WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER (Goldsmith, fascinating string writing, at least IMHO)
posted 04-04-2000 10:02 PM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Oscar® Winner	I have heard Titus and have the exact same reaction to it as the originator of this thread. I haven't seen the movie so without knowing what Goldenthal was trying to say here I cannot decide if this is inspired genius or self indulgent nonsense. The opening cue is beautiful but then he goes all over the map and I DO MEAN all over. I can imagine that this music would be so incongrous to the settings and images that it totally confuses and subverts what's on screen. If that's the case then, yea, this is self indulgent nonsense. I admire some of Goldenthal's past work and I'm all for experimentation but experimentation sometimes produces failures.
posted 04-05-2000 06:53 AM PT (US)

Thor Oscar® Winner	Hey Kris, that is actually one of the most intelligent posts in this thread!
posted 04-05-2000 08:42 AM PT (US)

DjC Oscar® Winner	I have seen Titus, adn well the first and second to last track are amazing in the film, especially the first, watch the movie then you will love the soundtrack. As for all the jazz music on the cd, it ay sound crappy to someone who has not seen the film, but that music is nessesary to compare old VS. New, which is what the film is all about. So i love the soundtrack, it worked great in the film...do not complain about a score if you have not seen the film, the score is made for the film...DjC
posted 04-05-2000 03:12 PM PT (US)

S Smith unregistered	I was wondering if anybody was going to resurrect this post (I was too lazy to go looking for it). I really wanted to see "Titus," but missed it in it's horribly limited release. I bought the score used, and I really liked it. I was wondering if anybody posting how bad it was knew that it was a slightly updated (or ambiguous) time period, which would account for the contemporary aspects of the score. I personally think it was one of the most quirky, odd, yet original and cool scores of last year.
posted 04-05-2000 05:33 PM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	I bought this CD the other night, and after listening to it 3 or 4 times completly I've become a little impressed with it, and at the sametime I find it very questionable. On the outside Titus is a huge orchestral epic score full of well done complex orchestrations, large chorus, solo volcals, cello performances, and some amazing inventive ideas that add many musical colors. All the ingredients of a fantastic score im my opinion. Its even able to shift seemlessly into swing, rock, and techno and back. But when you listen closer you realise that the score doesn't really go anywhere. A theme or a real melody is totally absent. And more interestingly the music does not have any moving or outstanding parts. Nothing that standsout worthy enough to be included in a compliation. Sure there is a large choral part, and some great brief action sequences, but nothing with a real spark or magic. I beleive that is strange, becuase at the sametime you can't help but get the feeling that this music was written by an artistic musical genius, considering the inventive ideas, and complexities of the score. To me it is obvious that Mr. Goldenthal knew quite well what he was doing and didn't have any need for experimentation. I'm having a hard time trying to decide whether or not to recomend this score. It's scale, textures, and coplexity clearly put it a bit above the adverage modern film score, But to be able to sit through the whole thing and not be moved, is a huge downfall for me. NP- Titus (Elliot Goldenthal) 3/5
posted 12-06-2000 06:28 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	It's a crazy score, Tim. Elliot Goldenthal IS a musical genius, you are right. Titus is one of those I have a hard time putting my thumb on, as well. It's flat out bizarre - and yeah, it really doesn't go anywhere. Without a thematic core, it may seem somewhat hollow - but is Titus the kind of story that really needs a theme? I mean - it's a murderous, chaotic rampage of a tragedy that simply couldn't be better represented (musically) by anything else other than Goldenthal's completely estranged talent. [Message edited by Jeron on 12-06-2000]
posted 12-06-2000 07:12 PM PT (US)

JJH Oscar® Winner	does no one ever listen ot he Finale from this score? I think it's Goldenthal's finest 8 minutes
posted 12-06-2000 10:55 PM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	I agree... the entire score is excellent.
posted 12-07-2000 06:55 AM PT (US)

Ron Pulliam Oscar® Winner	I don't think that (much earlier) comment was a misguided insult at all. I think it hit its intended target with deadly accuracy. Mr. Goldenthal has more musical talent in his little finger than the majority of you have opinions. It should positively gall you that you can't appreciate him the way he deserves to be. But then you probably think Rozsa's scores all sound the same. (Those pitiful few of you who have even bothered to listen to truly great film music). You do, don't you!!! Tsk! Ron
posted 12-07-2000 08:18 AM PT (US)

TimT Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by JJH: does no one ever listen ot he Finale from this score? I think it's Goldenthal's finest 8 minutes The Finale is slighty more interesting than the rest, but it's not enough, plus its at the end of the CD! I'm already tired by then. I still don't know whether I like this one or not. Do I continue to lisen to it becuase I like it? Or am I just eager to figure the score out?
posted 12-07-2000 08:30 AM PT (US)

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