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Topic: Star Trek's next two voyages

James

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Okay, there are apparently two Trek movies in the tubes right now. A 45-minute IMAX film and, of course, the next feature (which I'm told will come out the same year as star Wars II... stupid marketing IMHO).My question to all of you (especially Jeron) is, who do you think will/should score each of these?
I personally would like to see either John Debney or Richard Band score either of the two.
However, all likelyhoods considered, I forsee Dennis McCarthy at the helm for IMAX and Goldsmith again captaining Star Trek X.
Opinions, anyone?
James
NP - City of Angels (*****)posted 01-11-2000 09:40 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Well -I think McCarthy, Chattaway, or Bell would be wise choices for the IMAX feature. David Bell might be the best out of all three.
In regards to Star Trek 10? Hmmmmm... Well, if you know me well enough, you'd know that I'd love to see Goldsmith go at it again. Perhaps on his 3rd consecutive Star Trek film, he'll re-invent the wheel...
BUT...if it's not Goldsmith (as heart broken as I'd be), I'd love to see either Horner or David Arnold do it. John Debney? Eh... He's a great composer, but I dunno. David Arnold's style, mixed in with the traditional themes... well, that would be an awesome thing to hear!
And regarding Horner: I think his creative juices might start flowing with a project like Star Trek. Who would dare create a bland score for a Star Trek film? Even McCarthy's score for Generations was a good first time effort.
Jeron
[This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 11 January 2000).]
posted 01-11-2000 10:02 PM PT (US) 
Audacity

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I think Ron Jones would be the best choice for the Imax film. He composed what I believe was the best score for the Next Generation series (Best of Both Worlds) the last episode. On a side note, Best of Both Worlds, in an onlne poll, was voted the best Star Trek episode ever out of all the series.For the movie I would love to see Eidelman come back to score another Star Trek movie. His score to Undiscovered Country was absolutely great, better than some of Goldsmith's Star Trek Scores.
Jeron,
McCarthy's score for Generations was horrible, I didn't enjoy it at all.Audacity
posted 01-12-2000 06:41 AM PT (US) 
Kevin
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Actually Paramount has told the Trek people (Berman/Braga etc., the ones who are leading Trek down the tubes) that there will be no new movies unless they can prove they can provide a winner. Paramount is very concerned that Berman/Braga are not the right people to keep the Trek franchise alive, and are not going to spend the money on another mediocre movie.But, if there was a IMAX film, I would add Ron Jones' name to it, even though he probably wouldn't want to do it, mainly due to the crappy way he was treated back in the TNG days.
As for the next feature, it would probably be Goldsmith, however I do agree with Jeron that Horner would be a good choice. Most people think that Star Trek II was the best film of the series, and I think his score was also one of the best.
We now return you to our program of dance music.....
Kevin
posted 01-12-2000 06:45 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Generations a pretty good first time effort?Jeron, I gotta disagree with you there. I also find that score a complete disaster.
As far as Goldsmith is concerned, according to my resources, he has already committed himself to the next two Star Trek films should they be produced.
About IMAX,why not let Goldsmith do that one too.
Scott
posted 01-12-2000 02:13 PM PT (US) 
robin4

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Actually, I liked Eidelman and McCarthy. I thought Generations was very good emotionally during the Nexus scene. Oh well, just my opinion.
posted 01-12-2000 03:04 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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IMAX film? What kind of Trek film is it? As for ST X, I think they need to gring back Eidelman. His score for ST VI was great.--Crono/Kyp
Writer/Director/Producerposted 01-12-2000 05:13 PM PT (US) 
James

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(In response to Kevin's post)They don't want to spend the money on another mediocre movie? That's understandable... after all, Charles Band needs funding from somewhere.
James
Obscure joke, huh?
posted 01-18-2000 02:37 PM PT (US) 
spango

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Leave it to Ron Jones his score to Best Of Both Worlds was undoubtedly the best tv-score and IMHO much better than the boring Goldsmith stuff.
Perhaps the should work a little more on their scripts instead of producing another Waltons meet Starfleet movie (ST9)resistance is?
posted 01-18-2000 04:06 PM PT (US) 
Dr.Evil

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McCarthy's Generations is for me one of the best Trek scores, which we can also listen in Zimmer's Prince of Egypt!!!
For the new ones, I ask for Goldsmith (always a good choice for Trek, but I think he is tired of Star Trek..) or Horner, who provide us very good music on his II and III and, why not, Joh Williams for a change, the same way I'd love to hear some Bond with Goldsmith!
posted 01-18-2000 05:20 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Hmmm... perhaps, if Paramount wants new blood in the "Star Trek" film series they might get people who aren't so afraid of music.I think Goldsmith still has a good "Star Trek" score in him... it just will take everyone to stop thinking about "Star Trek" as a franchise, and start thinking about STORIES and CHARACTERS. The good music might follow.
A "Star Trek" IMAX film...
Oh my. This could be bad. Very bad.Oversaturation of a product like this may destroy it. Especially considering how dry some of the "Star Trek" business has been getting.
Who knows? As much as I hate to say it, maybe it's time to say goodbye.
posted 01-18-2000 06:49 PM PT (US) 
sabbey

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Well Jerry Goldsmith would be my choice. though I would not mind these composers as well.David Newman
James Horner
David Arnold
Marco Beltrami
Patrick Doyle
Bruce Broughton
John Debney
Basil Poledouris
Don Davis
John Ottman
Shirley WalkerSean Robert Abbey
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posted 01-18-2000 07:14 PM PT (US) 
Thor

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It's time to let Joel McNeely soar again. He's been neglected for some time now.
posted 01-19-2000 10:00 AM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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IF there are more STAR TREK movies on the way, there are a number of composers that should be considered:
Goldsmith
Horner
Eidelman
Jones
Bernstein (didn't see him mentioned -- think about what he might do with a worthy, non-ironic "space western"!)
Portman (be nice to see her cut loose on a grand scale)
Thomas Newman (even if the movie ends up being another constipated talkathon, it's a fair bet this composer would find emotional resonance).
Anybody care to comment on the choices above?NP: THE KEEP (Tangerine Dream) ****/*****
posted 01-19-2000 10:39 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Mark, Bernstein indeed would be a good choice,personaly I would love to see David or Thomas Newman and Basil Poledouris have a go?!
Goldsmith musically sounds as if he's tired of this Trek stuff!
What do you think?
posted 01-19-2000 10:57 AM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

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Mabye a long shot, but depending on the tone of film this is, how about Danny Elfman?!Or even better, David Arnold of ID4 and James Bond fame. Othwerwise It would have to be James Horner. Goldsmith is out for me. I'd love to hear that old theme again, but I guess I'm just alittle sick of it, as well as his overused action style. Sorry Jeron, I know you're going to kill me for that comment

One final choice, and this may even be laughable to some, but Hans Zimmer would really be a nice alternative. Especially for his millitary style. Personaly, I'd love to see how he could use it with a sci-fi score and incorporate Courage's fanfare within. Can you just imagine Crimson Tide crossed with Star Trek? It might work, ya never know.
Guess I'm alittle biased because I'm a Zimmer Fan.
Wait, what about *gasp* John Williams?!
posted 01-19-2000 07:40 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Well... Aaron, I guess I won't gripe you out... this time. =) Nah, that's your opinion, and I respect it. I see where you are coming from, too.I will agree w/ you on David Arnold. Out of all your other suggestions, Arnold is the one person I've ALWAYS wanted to see do a Trek film above all other composers. If he used Goldsmith's themes, that would be even more incredible.
Jeron
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posted 01-19-2000 08:00 PM PT (US) 
Chris Kinsinger

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I'd like to address the statement that James made in the initial post at this thread:"the next feature (which I'm told will come out the same year as star Wars II... stupid marketing IMHO)."
On the surface, it would certainly seem to be a poor choice, and opening dates for films are always subject to change (right up to the month prior!).
But market research has proven that one really huge boxoffice champion actually increases the revenues of all current competitors. Just the opposite of what you would expect!
Consider that "Star Trek II" was playing in multiplexes along with the original "Poltergeist", and a little flick called "E.T.".
All three sailed on to record-breaking grosses!
If a new "Star Wars" and a new "Trek" were playing in theatres around the globe at the same time, the crowds might cause a dangerous shift in the earth's orbit!
posted 01-19-2000 08:29 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Just a thought, Henry Mancini was a great dramatic composer mostly known for his lightweight jaunty comedy/romantic type scores, It could have been interesting to see a star trek score done by him, In an age of Rabin's , Glennie Smith's , Zimmer's etc, His is a sadly missed talent!NP: LIFEFORCE Mancini *****/*****
posted 01-20-2000 05:13 AM PT (US) 
James

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Good point, Chris. I guess I wasn't looking at the whole spectrum. I was basing that entirely on Trek-Wars competition (The Motion Picture a year before Empire; The Wrath of Khan a year before Jedi). You just never know what the crazy public will do...James
NP - Trex: Back to the Cretaceous (W. Ross)posted 01-20-2000 11:16 AM PT (US) 
Mark Hatfield
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Timmer;
You're brilliant! I am obviously not. It didn't even OCCUR to me to list Poledouris...who would, of course, be absolutely perfect. The man knows from dramatic & action scoring; also has lovely melodies in him. An outstanding suggestion! In honor, I amNP: FOR LOVE OF THE GAME (Poledouris) 5*
posted 01-20-2000 11:49 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
