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    Topic:   No "Tarzan" or "South Park" at Oscars

     Crono/Kyp
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    This whole thing is full of crap and I don't like it.

    <<LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The musical scores for two of this year's biggest animated films Disney's ``Tarzan'' and the ''South Park'' movie -- have been shut out of Oscar contention this year, angering the composers.

    The scores for both films fell victim to a decision to reduce the number of music categories
    in the 1999 Academy Awards competition from three to two, officials at the Academy of
    Motion Picture Arts and Sciences said Tuesday.

    The composers, frustrated that their work has no avenue for Oscar recognition, said the
    academy's eligibility rules are flawed but reflect the fact that musicals, once a staple of the
    industry, have become a Hollywood rarity.

    ``I truly am extremely hurt,'' said Mark Mancina, who wrote the basic score for ``Tarzan,''with five original songs composed and sung by pop star Phil Collins. ``I was hoping to get a nomination. It would have been good for me. To know that people can't even consider it is
    frustrating.''

    '`Tarzan'' and Paramount Pictures' ``South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut'' were submitted for consideration under the ''best original song score'' category, created in 1995 to separate
    the scores of musicals and comedies from straight dramatic scores. But that category was eliminated this year because ``Tarzan'' and ``South Park'' were the only entries.

    The two scores then were resubmitted under the broader category for ``best original score'' but were deemed ineligible under that classification. The third Oscars music category is for
    best original song.

    `Each body of music belongs in a particular place,'' academy awards coordinator Patrick
    Stockstill said. ``That particular place does not have enough entries for its own category.
    That does not mean (the scores) should automatically be redistributed to another category.''

    The number of music categories, which have fluctuated over the years, was upped to three in 1995 with the creation of the ''song score'' classification, following three Oscars wins in the early '90s by composer Alan Menken for Disney films ``The Little Mermaid'' ``Beauty and the Beast'' and ``Aladdin.''

    Many felt Menken was being judged on the basis of the catchy songs from the movies rather than on the scores, giving him an unfair advantage over the straight dramatic scores his work
    was competing against.

    `The real problem is we're living in a world that doesn't have enough place for a musical,''
    said Marc Shaiman, who composed the ``South Park'' score with five original songs he co-wrote with cartoon co-creator Trey Parker and has earned four Oscar nominations since 1994.

    ``It's a shame that now that musicals have come back by way of animated movies, they haven't figured out a way for them to be honored and not be in competition with standard scores.''

    Mancina, whose credits also include the music to ``Twister and ``Speed,'' said thw ineligibility of the ``Tarzan'' score was particularly unfair because all the music, including the Collins-penned songs, served as background to what essentially was an animated drama.

    Shaiman's manager, Richard Kraft, noted that Randy Newman's music for ``Toy Story 2,''
    which featured two original songs, one of them sung by the character Jesse the cowgirl, were
    accepted under the original score category.

    Stockstill said the original song score category shelved this year is reserved for scores with five or more songs composed by the same writer or team of writers. >>

    GURR.

    --Crono/Kyp
    Writer/Director/Producer

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    posted 12-21-1999 07:53 AM PT (US)     

     Marc Flake
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't there just been two nominations for other Oscar categories in previous years. I'm remembering that the "Best Makeup" category frequently only has two contenders on a regular basis.

    Are there different critieria for each category? Couldn't the Academy redraw the criteria to allow for the fact that there are so few films which qualify for the "Best Original Song Score" award?

    Or, perhaps, was this category created on purpose to shut out the Menkens and others who write music for this type of film?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    Marc Flake (Who is also fuming over the Golden Globe music nominations.)

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    posted 12-21-1999 08:16 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    The Academy needs brain surgery!

    Scott

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    posted 12-21-1999 08:18 AM PT (US)     

     SplbrgWlms
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    The academy needed brain surgery a long time ago. Just look at their recent picks for best picture...

    TITANIC
    SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE
    THE ENGLISH PATIENT

    These were good movies, but in no way deserved the best picture award. They were nominated with others that deserved it far more than they did.

    Looks like in order to win a best picture Oscar nowadays... you have to make a love story.

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    posted 12-21-1999 10:15 AM PT (US)     

     James
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    I really don't watch the Oscars for anything but comic relief these days. Although I do think Shakespeare in Love was the best film last year, it is not at all redeeming when I think of all the nominations that Dangerous Beauty didn't get... Now they're not only ignorant, but they're illogical as well.

    James
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    posted 12-21-1999 03:17 PM PT (US)     

     S Smith
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    Those idiots. I've been saying it since last year, when the new rules were announced. They NEVER should have ditched the Comedy/Musical score category.

    Of course, if you look back through the history of the Oscars, they have a tendency to change their rules for seemingly no good reason.

    Maybe we should all start a petition/write in to the Academy and tell them their rules are stupid and to change them back. Couldn't hurt.

    All I can say is, I sincerely and truly hope that they don't have another puke-worthy "interptetive dance" to the Best Original Score nominations this year. Gag-fest!

    NP: Jerry Goldsmith: "Deep Rising"

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    posted 12-21-1999 05:06 PM PT (US)     

     Audacity
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    I heard that they were not going to do another one of those stupid "interpretive dance" numbers to the scores like last year. Apparently nobody liked them, that's one good thing at least.

    Audacity

    [This message has been edited by Audacity (edited 22 December 1999).]

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    posted 12-22-1999 04:42 AM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Ugh, the dance routines to original score nominations was laughably insulting! What was it, tap dancing? I could barely here the bloody music!!

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 12-22-1999 05:18 AM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Shakespeare in Love and Titanic deserved best picture(and score) but English Patient did not. (well, LA confidential could have won over Titanic, but if you think SPR deserved it over SIL...we are gonna have to have words SplbrgWlms)
    this bull**** with Tarzan and South Park sucks. you cant just shut dow a category and then vote the scores you screwed over ineligible for other categories.

    Im for that petition idea, set it up and ill sign.

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    posted 12-22-1999 05:49 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Shakespeare in Love and Titanic deserved best picture(and score) but English Patient did not. (well, LA confidential could have won over Titanic, but if you think SPR deserved it over SIL...we are gonna have to have words SplbrgWlms)
    this bull**** with Tarzan and South Park sucks. you cant just shut dow a category and then vote the scores you screwed over ineligible for other categories.

    Im for that petition idea, set it up and ill sign.

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    posted 12-22-1999 05:50 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Okay Matt,
    we get the point.


    Scott

    BTW: I do think SPR was more deserving than SIL. So there!

    [This message has been edited by Scott (edited 23 December 1999).]

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    posted 12-23-1999 07:22 AM PT (US)     

     J. Peter Wolk-Laniewski
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    SPR, SIL, what about LIB?
    Oh, and I think the Academy has the IQ of granite.(Just to stay on topic)

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    posted 12-23-1999 12:05 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Hmm... reminds me of on conversation in the Simpsons' episode where Homer got the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award For Outstanding Achievement In The Field Of Excellence...

    quote:
    Lisa: "This awards show is the biggest sham I've ever seen."

    Bart: "What about the Emmys?"

    Lisa: "I stand corrected."


    Or when Homer's barber shop quartet won a Grammy and he threw it out the window and the response when it fell on someone...

    quote:
    Hey, don't throw your garbage down here!

    Okay, sorry, don't mind me...

    James

    [This message has been edited by James (edited 23 December 1999).]

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    posted 12-23-1999 03:48 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    This funny stuff. I forgot thay had said that.

    Thanks for the laugh.

    --Crono/Kyp
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