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    Topic:   Best score of the century

     Scott
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    Now, which are the best scores of this century?


    Citizen Kane,
    King Kong,
    Gone with the Wind,
    Ben Hur,
    The Ten Commandments,
    The Robe,
    Pyscho,
    Rear View Mirror,
    The Omen,
    Star Wars,
    Superman,
    ET,
    Hoosiers,
    Rudy,
    Alien,


    ...this is harder than I thought. There are soooooooo many.
    I can't do it. I'm such a bumb.

    Scott

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    posted 12-18-1999 05:26 PM PT (US)     

     S Smith
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    Maybe if you broke it down by genre, it'd be easier.

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    posted 12-18-1999 09:45 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    S Smith,
    be my guest,
    any help is appreciated.

    Scott

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    posted 12-18-1999 10:50 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Schindler's List, Shawshank Redemption, Braveheart, Psycho, Great Escape, Star Wars, Edward Scissorhands. Prolly more, but im tired and i got all my favs.

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    posted 12-18-1999 11:44 PM PT (US)     

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    Either Glory or Braveheart, since they both represent the peak of James Horner's career. Both are absolutely stunning to listen to in and out of their films.

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    posted 12-19-1999 12:14 AM PT (US)     

     S Smith
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    Well, I'll start with a couple:

    Best Western: "Magnificent Seven"
    Best Sci-Fi: "Star Wars" (of course)

    Um...that's all I've got right now. I'll get back to you.

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    posted 12-19-1999 08:46 AM PT (US)     

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    Mine would have to be...

    RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK

    This score had everything.

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    posted 12-19-1999 09:19 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, it´s a though question, but here are my choices (in no apparant order) :

    Citizen Kane
    Psycho
    Vertigo
    King Kong
    Batman
    Ben Hur
    Edward Scissorhands
    Dangerous Liaisons
    The Nightmare Before Christmas
    Star Wars
    Alien
    The Day The Earth Stood Still

    ...and a million other that I can´t remember right now

    SFT

    [This message has been edited by SFT (edited 19 December 1999).]

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    posted 12-19-1999 10:55 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    SFT,
    only three scores from Elfmann?

    Off with his head, I say, off with his head...

    Scotty

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    posted 12-19-1999 12:23 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Best Western? The Cowboys
    Best Science Fiction? Hmmm, I don't really consider Star Wars science fiction so I would have to go with Outland. Great score from Mr. Goldsmith.

    Scott

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    posted 12-19-1999 12:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Scott,

    I thought I was the only one who liked the score to Outland, awesome score. Not the best but pretty good.

    Audacity

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    posted 12-20-1999 10:00 AM PT (US)     

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    "Star Wars" isn't sci/fi? Then what the heck is it?!?!?!?

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    posted 12-20-1999 12:48 PM PT (US)     

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    Star Wars is Sci-Fi, but it definitely has a fantasy feel to it. Like old-fashioned or something. Does anyone know what I am talking about?

    Audacity

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    posted 12-20-1999 12:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmm. Now that you mention it, yes, I do know what you're talking about. Despite all of it's big, flashy effects, it has kind of a homespun quality to it.

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    posted 12-20-1999 05:20 PM PT (US)     

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    When you think "score of the century", the first thing that should come to mind is a score that stood the test of time; that is recognizable by most anybody, anywhere. One that is not only your favorite, but also your friends' and family's. A score with such caliber as to invoke anger, pain, fear, while also hope, strength, and glory, all in one composition. Play one beat, lush or subtle, and anybody should know what it is, and where it comes from... And so far there have only a handful of scores that are deserving of this distinction: The Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, The Godfather, Titanic, Star Wars, E.T., Indiana Jones, and Jaws. Period.

    - A.
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    posted 12-20-1999 06:39 PM PT (US)     

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    By your own definition, some of the score you've listed won't qualify due to the "test of time" clause. "Titanic" has only been around for two years, the second youngest score after that's been out almost 20 years. There's a big gap there. If you're going to include "test of time," "Gone With the Wind" is probably the only one that WOULD qualify, since it's the oldest, and yes, still recognized as a great score. Of course, it depends on what your definition of "time" is. Twenty years? Fifty years? There ARE 100 years in a century.

    As far was "Wizard of Oz" goes, who really knows the instrumental score? "Wizard's" popularity is based on it's songs, not so much the score.

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    posted 12-20-1999 11:11 PM PT (US)     

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    Being the huge Rabin fan that I am. I would have to say ARMAGEDDON THE COMPLETE SCORE. Not the official release. It's amazing.

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    posted 12-20-1999 11:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Test of time means that it WILL last. that it isnt a fad that will go out, that people will forget. Titanic is 2 years old, but it will stand that test. Gone With the Wind: i dont remember the score. Therefore it fails. I saw the movie 3 months ago, and it didnt even last that long in my memory. Titanic will not be forgotten, as for Gone With the Wind...well i do remember it having a score...

    Oh, and Star Wars is a SPACE OPERA that is the technical term for it.

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    posted 12-21-1999 05:06 PM PT (US)     

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    That just goes to show, Matt, that it's all subjective. Just because you personally don't happen to remember the score to "Gone With the Wind" doesn't mean it hasn't stood the test of time. For a lot of people it has. And how do we KNOW that "Titanic" WILL stand the test of time? As you've said, it's only two years old, and there hasn't been enough time for it to prove itself. I personally own it, think it's an O.K. score (not Oscar-worthy), but I certainly wouldn't call it one of the best scores of the century.

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    posted 12-21-1999 05:12 PM PT (US)     

     Aaron Hose
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    Trust me, fifty years from now, the scores I listed will be amongst the ones poeple will talk about.

    - A.

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    posted 12-21-1999 06:03 PM PT (US)     

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    I personally do not think Titanic will not stand the test of time! Of course it is the top selling cd, but it does not have what it takes to stand time. That's just an opinion.

    Wizard of Oz is more based on songs than around the score, as is Sound of Music. Both those movies and there songs will stand the test of time!

    Gone with the Wind, Ben Hur, Star Wars(basically a lot of the John Williams compositions will stand time, because they are so recognizable and part of the pop culture.) Pop culture has a lot to do with it. You go to a football game and you hear what? Jaws, when defense is up. Or you'll hear the imperial march or you'll hear Indiana Jones or Superman. I think to stand the test of time you need a classic theme that catches peoples ears and something that people enjoy listening to.

    Aaron

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    posted 12-21-1999 09:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Well said, Aaron.

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    posted 12-21-1999 10:00 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Yes, well said Aaron. =)

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    posted 12-21-1999 10:01 PM PT (US)     

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    That's a hard quesiton to answer. There are so many...i'll be back with my answer a bit later. I would vote Star Wars in.

    --Crono/Kyp
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    posted 12-21-1999 10:03 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    What's with all the Aarons on this message board?

    Anyway, in order to answer this question, I'm going to have to use just about everything in my collection.

    Best (personally):
    The Alchemist
    The Disappearance of Garcia Lorca
    El Cid
    Jurassic Park
    Merlin
    A Patch of Blue
    The Piano
    Sleepy Hollow
    Somewhere in Time
    The Wind and the Lion

    Best (personally & globally):
    Batman
    Doctor Zhivago
    Edward Scissorhands
    How the West was Won
    Lawrence of Arabia
    Planet of the Apes
    Psycho
    Romeo & Juliet (Nino Rota version)
    Star Wars (trilogy, hexalogy?)
    Vertigo

    James
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    posted 12-21-1999 10:53 PM PT (US)     

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    S Smith...ill bet you 50 bucks...inflation adjusted of course, that in 50 years Titanic will be remembered-and i mean the music...people will be able to hum it. GWTW...i remember there being a score, and i remember it being good...but i cannot for the life of me remember one melody. I can remember music from many old movies....but not that one.
    Gone With the Wind-The movie-has stood the test of time. It is still a classic, and it is still great. Dont confuse that with the score. The score is not a separate entity from the movie. People remember the movie, not the score.
    How do I know Titanic will last? Well, lets just say it is a hunch. I KNOW it will, i know it in my gut. I havent played the CD in quite some time now(prolly because the cd is scratched to hell and i need to buy a new one) but i know every melody, every note on it(well, except the song, always skip that track). I will remember it til the day i die...and i have at least 50 years left in me.
    So what is test of time? One could say that if 6 people remember a really old score it has stood it. Bull****...it is a matter of the masses, and believe me...despite the fact that Gone With the Wind had an excellent score...it isnt something lots people remember outside the context of the movie. Titanic is.

    Aaron, why doesnt it have what it takes? Top grossing movie, best selling soundtrack ever...extremely memorable music...am i missing some key aspect that makes it forgettable? or is it just the natural "it isnt cool for guys to like Titanic" reflex that so many seem to succumb to that makes you believe that?
    anyway, rant of the day...peace out.

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    posted 12-22-1999 01:12 AM PT (US)     

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    I'll say this one more time: the only reason the Titanic soundtrack sold so many copies is because of the awful pop song that was on it. Millions of teen girls bought the cd for that one song. And don't lay this on me "the teen girls might have bought it for the pop song on it, but it has opened their eyes to the score as well" BULL, the majority of them only listen to the song. I am not saying the score was bad, I myself have no interest in the score one way or the other, I am just saying you can not go by how many were sold.

    Audacity

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    posted 12-22-1999 05:00 AM PT (US)     

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    Matt,

    I think Audacity hit it right on the button. Why did the soundtrack sell out? Because of the pop song sung by Celine Dion! Do you think all these crazed score fans ran out of there house and said "oh my god, the score is so awesome, let's go buy it!" Pop songs are a little easier to remember because they have words and those songs are a lot easier to remember then an instrumental score. I think Titanic is not a classic score, and I am not one of those people that say "I am a man and there is no way I am going to admit that I like the score to Titanic!" I think the Titanic album will be memorable, let's say about as long as Britney Spears will be!

    Aaron

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    posted 12-22-1999 07:14 AM PT (US)     

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    Okay, here I go..
    Audacity, yes I love Outland. It is very Alien like in certain styles (not orchestrations, etc). Has some powerful clues in it.

    As for the discussions about Titanic and the test of time, please allow me to comment. First, Titanic is a good score. It's popularity however is due to many circumstances as is the film itself. The reason the film received so many Oscars, is because almost every one in the industry worked on the darn thing.
    The reason the film was such a big success box office wise is largely because young girls who went goo goo ga ga over Leornado Di Caprio.
    The reason the album sold as many copies as it did is because of the song and because the score was composed in a style that happened to be very popular at the time. Tons of people bought cds before Titanic with that style (mix of new age and celtic tunes). Let's also not forget the pictures of Leornado.
    I have a 13 year old niece at home who is crazy about one of the guys of Backstreet Boys. She will get and buy anything with that nutt's face on it wether she likes it or not.
    As far as popularity is concerned. More people recognize music to ET,Star Wars, Jaws and Supermannn than Titanic. I play music in the background in my class. I often ask my students if they recognize some of the music. Titanic is almost never recognized. But get this, most people will recognize Star Wars and Supermann although they've never seen the movie but fail to recognize Titanic although they've seen that movie.
    Titanic has beautiful music but it is not as recognizable as Raiders or Star Wars.
    Further, just because a score is not as recognizable or has a catchy tune, doesn't disqualify it as one of the greates scores. If this were the case, the majority of classical compositions by some of our great masters would be deemed not great. I mean , a lot of classical music doesn't have catchy tunes.
    Finally, a great score has really nothing to do with how many people like it and how catchy the tunes are. It has to don with feeling, emotions, the technicals aspects as in orchestrations, arrangements and even performances. Case in point,Schindlers List or evern Alien, two great scores that are difficult to listen to for most people and really have no catchy tunes. Yet they are perfect for the pictures they were composed for and stand on their own very well.
    I hope I made sense here, and if I didn't, consider the source.

    Scotty

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    posted 12-22-1999 08:47 AM PT (US)     

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    I really don't want to get into this arguement, but I find it insulting to my friends. I have about 1 or 2 male friends and about 15 female friends (I'm 16 by the way...) and they all HATED Titanic. Okay, maybe there are a few who like Leo, but I cannot think of one that has ever said a good word about Titanic OR the song that accompanied it. And for that matter, I could name about 30 GUYS off the top of my head who flocked to Titanic just to see a bare-breasted Kate Winslet. I'm the only person I know (in person) who liked the movie, score, and song (yes, I like the song). PLEASE stop the stereotyping.

    James

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    posted 12-22-1999 12:58 PM PT (US)     

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    And ill say this one more time. Audacity: the song was available on about 10 FU*KING CDs. Did they all out-sell everything else? I dont think so. So dont give me that **** about people only buying the fu*king soundtrack for the song ok? CAUSE IT IS BULL****. I know someone who only had the song as a single and BEGGED me to borrow my cd so she could get the score. This was no score freak people, just a normal girl.
    Scott, if you're students couldnt recognize Titanic..i hate to sound insulting but i think you might have a rather dim crop there.
    Aaron, you're a good guy, but im gonan have to bitch-slap you for that Brittany Spears comment. She wont last past new-years...hell she is already old news. Titanic is what....2 years exactly now? And guess what...here we are...TALKING ABOUT IT!!!!

    As for this whole Leo thing. Let me first say that i dislike him. Now let me say that He is a good actor-I cite Gilbert Grape as my support. I used to dislike Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, but both are excellent actors who have managed to ditch their pretty boy stereotypes(Fight CLub rules, and M:I2 is gonna kick ass, hehe). Leo will do this too.
    Now let me say that Leo has been in many movies, only one of which has grossed several HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS DOMESTICALLY ALONE. Romeo and Juliet made him a star with the screaming girls crowd, but did that movie make a ****load of money?? NO. So dont tell me that Titanic was popular only because of Leo, ok?? We can get into a big long debate over why it was...and should we have that get together id be happy to. but not here since typing it out will suck
    Just a note: Leo was cast before he became a star. Cameron wanted 2 young academy award nominees, and that is what he got.


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    posted 12-22-1999 05:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I think the reason the "Titanic" soundtrack did so well (song not withstanding), is that a lot of people wanted to bring the emotion (or lack there of) home with them. By having the soundtrack song AND score, a lot of people (but not all), were/are attempting to recreate the emotional connection with the film. I couldn't figure it out, but...

    As far as "Gone With the Wind" goes, the music from "Tara" HAS to be one of the most recognizable score themes EVER. It's got such a big, lush sound that captures the visual and aural senses. To compare "Titanic" to that, well, that's just sad. Of course, there were plenty of comparisons between "Titanic" and "GWTW" when "Titanic" came out, that I wanted to puke. To compare those two films is almost a sacrilege.

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    posted 12-22-1999 08:26 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok, ok! Well this Titanic thing has gotten a little out of hand. We are all entitled to our opinions and some people love it or some people hate it, let's deal with that! I personally own and do enjoy it. It is a beautiful score, but I personally don't think it will stand the test of time. It might, or it might not. Who knows? Like I said in an earlier post, it has to do with pop culture. I think the comment, "That it has to do with a connection to the film is correct." I think Titanic did a lot for scores, in that, it opened peoples eyes and shows them that the score is important. So I think the Titanic subject should be closed and we should focus on the good aspects of the score.

    Matt,

    I was being sarcastic with my comment about Titanic score will be like Britney Spears and I do appreciate the comment that I am a good guy! Thanks!

    I think that we should have a poll, similar to the poll at Movietunes a while back and vote on what scores have influenced us and what should be the greatest scores.
    I would also like to see more of us do reviews of scores. I personally will be reviewing many scores shortly. Let's get this train a moving!

    Aaron

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    posted 12-22-1999 10:09 PM PT (US)     

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    Fair enough, we shall drop it.
    Man, i hate this censoring program, it blocks out the whole word. I dont know if i said ****load or ****load...damn.

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    posted 12-23-1999 12:44 AM PT (US)     

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    Darn,
    and here I wanted to NOT TALK SO MUCH!
    Matt, read my post again, I listed a lot of reasons for the popularity of Titanic. And they all are valid reasons, wether you like it or not.

    James, with all do respect, 15 girls out of millions is NOT a good comparison. Let's face it, milllions were made on that movie because of reapeted viewing, by mostly young girls. Hey, my nephews liked it and so did I. I even have the video.

    Now I'll drop the subject to.

    Scott

    BTW Matt, learn how to type faster. (This is only a sarcistic joke)

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    posted 12-23-1999 08:11 AM PT (US)     

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    You're right, Scott, I was reacting to an argument that wasn't even brought up. Yes, that is a big reason Titanic made lots of money, I just felt for a moment that it was being stated that ALL teen girls loved the movie for that and that that was the ONLY reason it was popular... and looking back I now realize that statement was not made. Just remember, it takes only ONE exception to disprove a rule.

    James

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    posted 12-23-1999 03:31 PM PT (US)     

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    James,
    right you are.

    Scott

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