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Ted

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I'm doing this assignment in English (sophomore in High School) called the "Career Project." You need to research the field you might want to be in when you grow up. I chose movie director.
This is all well and good except for the fact that I need to interview or ask questions to a person either in or relating to the field I want to be in. Knowing absolutely no one, I came here. If anyone involved in directing or other film-making departments could answer the following questions, it would be greatly appreciated.1.) What sort of school requirements are there in today's film-making industry.
2.) How can I, a 15 year old high school student, get involved in the field I wish to be in? What sort of activities might I want to look into.
3.) What things would you recommend me to do in order to break into film-making?
4.) How did you get involved in the field you are in?
5.) What are certain things today's film-making market are looking for?If you could answer these questions with your name as best you can before Wednesday, the 24th, it would help me a whole lot.
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posted 11-21-1999 10:17 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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1) What sort of school requirements are there in today's film-making industry.Tough one, and it varies depending exactly what you wish to do in film. Directing is a lot of the time down to talent and proof that you can tackle a project well.
Directors dont usualy go to studios and say "hey look, I've got this, this and this as a qualification! hire me!". A piece of paper wont prove you can direct a film and normally the best bet now for new filmmakers is making their own films (short or feature) taking them to festivals and getting recognition that way.
2) How can I, a 15 year old high school student, get involved in the field I wish to be in? What sort of activities might I want to look into.Watch movies, study movies, and damn it, MAKE MOVIES! Make em, even if it's with a camcorder! Just do it!
Along with this, try and get work in the film industry. It's not THAT hard to apply to be a runner or something. Yes, its a sh*t job with no pay but use your time on sets to gain an inside input about filmmaking. Ask the cast and crew questions when they dont look as if they're doing anything. If you dont ask you dont get.
15 is a tough age to begin studying filmmaking, but do look regardless. There are short courses out there that are not as strict on age as film schools that will teach you a knowledge of film and filmmaking.
Try reading too, there are millions of books out there about filmmaking!
3) What things would you recommend me to do in order to break into film-making?Kinda the same answer as 2, just try your best to get work on movies (even if it is as a runner, your IN the movie biz, just VERY low down in it). From working on movies make connections, and USE em. Classic saying of "it's not what you know, but who you know".
Again though, you wanna break into the movies? Make movies then, show them to people, show them at places where the right people would be (festivals..etc) and so on....I think you get the idea.
Questions 4 is harder for me personally to answer. I'm not there myself yet, I just have this short film I am funding myself in pre-production right now and hope to show it at festivals late 2000/early 2001. So I got involved out of my own belief in that this was what I wanted to do.
As for your final question, freshness and talent is probably the answer. Can you tell a good story?
Dan (UK)
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posted 11-21-1999 11:39 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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Ted, also when you watch the movies, turn the sound off and watch how the camera moves and where it's placed in the scene.--Crono/Kyp
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posted 11-21-1999 01:53 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Excellent tip Crono my fellow filmmaking chum. When you study a movie anaylsing the way it is shot it can become a different movie. Watch the likes of Star Wars and Apocalypse Now with no audio!Dan (UK)
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posted 11-21-1999 03:14 PM PT (US) 
Ted

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Thanks a bunch, this should really help me on my project.
posted 11-21-1999 07:27 PM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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I don't know if this is relevant or useful at all, but here's some cool films to study because of their cinematography & directing. No I'm serious... I'm not just randomly plugging movies I likeDark City (the height of great directing and cinematography)
Sphere (yes, it's not that good a film, but still the cinematography works great for making action sequences very tense)
Ghost in the Shell (a japanese film. Some interesting shots in the many dialogue sequences. The camera shots are always very symbolic' in this movie)
Bringing out the Dead (cinematography in this creates an overall tense atmosphere, and has some cool scenes of hilarious hyperactivity and energy)
Saving Private Ryan (interesting style... camera acts as if your seeing through the eyes of some trooper. The lack of motion blur in the, well, motion makes the movement very "sharp")
The Matrix (rediculously fun cinematography in the action scenes at some moments)
Dammit, I had some more films I wanted to list, but forgot them all...
posted 11-21-1999 11:18 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Another movie with brilliant cinematography and art direction is the 1995 French Film THE CITY OF LOST CHILDREN by Jeunet and Caro. If you have any interest in film, this must be seen. It has recently been released on DVD and I highly recommend it. Plus, you also get to listen to Angelo Badalamenti's remarkable haunting score. It's not isolated, but the beautiful French dialogue seems to flow right along with it.Any Sam Raimi film is eye candy also.
Also, if you want to be in the film industry, one way is that you start off working for free and MAKE FRIENDS. The film industry is a family, and once you make friends, you are in. Whenever someone is offered a job on a new film, that person tries to get jobs for his friends that he has worked with in the past. You should definitely ask questions, like Dan said.. but MAKE FRIENDS.
Danny Coss, location manager on Scent of a Woman and The Horse Whisperer, once told me, " Don't fall for this 'if you're not in film school, you're not gonna make it' sh**. A lot of people in film didn't even go to film school. If a person makes it, that is all good and well, but while that person is in film school, there is another person starting out as a gopher making his way up already and learning at the same time."posted 11-22-1999 08:22 PM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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Dammit, I always wanted to see The City of Lost Children but forgot about that... I'll have to rent it sometimeAnother fun thing to do is watch music videos on MTV... with the volume all the way down. The sell-out music is not important, but music videos often provides some creative and ultra-professional editing & camera shots. The videos are supposed to appeal to hyperactive trendy teens, so experimental camera tricks are often used.
posted 11-23-1999 06:10 PM PT (US) 
Ted

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Ugh, I hate those music video guys. They always make those flashy videos with nothing to do with anything, then they transfer that idea over to the movies, where they do the exact same thing (Armageddon anyone?).The only one who I've seen who broke that pattern was Spike Jonze, but Being John Malkovich was just cool, and his music videos were weird to begin with. Anyone seen that Fat Boy Slim music video to "Praise you?" Crazy stuff.
PS. Yes, I do own the Evil Dead trilogy. Evil Dead 2 has some of the best cinematography I have EVER seen. And besides, Ash is just plain cool.
posted 11-23-1999 09:44 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Ted,Michael Bay started out in music video industy, a lot of directors did, that and doing commercials is a higly paid way for directors to fill times they have no work and can pull in at least 6 commercials a year.
Unfortunately (though I enjoy his movies) Bay has not seemed to loose his music vid style and has applied it to his movies. David Fincher started in music vids, it still shows maybe if you watch fight club (and his first, Alien3), but The Game and Seven he veers away from it. It's good to see that he can do just that, veer away from music vid style.
Dan (UK)
posted 11-24-1999 03:03 AM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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Hmmm... I didn't know what David Fincher started out in music videos. It almost makes sense after seeing some of his films ("Fight Club"). "Seven" had great cinematography...Also, Alex Proyas ("The Crow" not the sequel, "Dark City") started out in music videos too.
I also hate it when people bash Armageddon for being what it is... almost as if they didn't "get it". It's a useless action film, built only for pure theatre entertainment, and when you go to the theatre expecting that, that's what you'll get. Two great hours of useless, but very entertaining cinema. Don't go to these movies (armageddon, starship troopers, etc.) expecting some sort of plot or charactor development or anything.
PS... It's also fun to watch 'old school' (in other words, "old") rap videos with a friend because they're hilariously... 'retro'-ghetto. It's funny to think what was "cool" a few years ago now looks somewhat goofy. There's a whole bunch of them at www.musicvideos.com
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posted 11-24-1999 07:05 AM PT (US) 
kyle42

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Sean, your remark that we should be expecting mindless entertainment is ridiculous. This is why bad movies continued to be made because people just accept them. Entertainment for me is developed characters and storylines. Aramageddon was a silly piece of trash that glorifies America. The Dialouge is terrible. EVERYTHING is terrible even the effects are pretty embarassing at times. If we see and 'accept' these types of movies, they will continued to get made.
posted 11-24-1999 08:29 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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My take on it:
Movies: These can be the likes of Armagddon, popcorn flicks, mindless plotless romps telling stories that are beyond belief and would never happen in the real world. Mindless entertainment that exploits the big screen experience. They're in your face and LOUD!Films: These can be productions that dont nessicarily exploit the medium to the max but do use it as a good way to bring drama to a wide audience on a bigger scale then TV. So this is parhaps something like Schindlers List, a feature that documents truth. A film is something that can be based on truth or rality, something that can, has and/or could happen.
Its the difference between Drama and Entertainment, which is why I hate people comparing something like Jurassic Park to Schindler's List, why bother? You dont compare a film to a movie or a movie to a film, both have different objectives in what they set out to gain from its audience.
Dan (UK)
PS: Fincher did a few music vids for Madonna and one or two for George Michael, and some other artists too.
posted 11-24-1999 09:21 AM PT (US) 
Scott

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Kyle42,
I disagree. Why must every movie have a message, or well developed characters. I love movies that are just entertainment (Dumb and Dumber) and make no sense at all. Yet I also love serious films ala Schindler's List that have a message, character, story etc.Scott
posted 11-24-1999 10:13 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Yeah Scott's got the idea.Dan (UK)
posted 11-24-1999 10:38 AM PT (US) 
kyle42

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Every movie does have a message. Every work of art needs to have some sort of message. Every book, every painting, every symphony, and yes every movie has a message. It is just the value of the message that counts. I agree every movie shouldn't be a schindler's list or Truman Show. But that doesn't make it okay for studios to release cliche action movies and cheesy comedies. I love Dumb and Dumber, because it is funny and entertaining but it doesn't mock the audience ala Armageddon.
posted 11-24-1999 02:41 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Kyle42,quote:
But that doesn't make it okay for studios to release cliche action movies and cheesy comedies.Why is it wrong for studios to release brainless movies for pure escapism and entertainment purposes? If it were wrong no one would bloody well see them in the first place. These movies tend to rake in the $$$ worldwide, so obviously millions of film goers dont thing it is "wrong" either.
There is a market for things like that. People like it, you dont, thats cool, but you being one who does not like that thing does not make you right, it also does not make those who do like it right either! No one is right and no one is wrong...everyone has different tastes.
quote:
I love Dumb and Dumber, because it is funny and
entertaining but it doesn't mock the audience ala Armageddon.You love it because its funny and entertaining? Ok, so if someone came to you and disagreed, saying its a worthless and unfunny piece of sh*t you would argue because you would know yourself to be right.? WRONG! You're not right, and neither would the one with the opposite opinion. You can't win.
My whole point above where I decipher a difference between a film and a movie, it's a FILM that carries a message. A serious work of art is MADE to carry a message. If movies carry a message at all then its to "have fun and enjoy!"
Dan (again)
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posted 11-24-1999 03:30 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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Ok,
what message could Dumb and Dumber (which I liked a lot), possibly have?Scott
posted 11-24-1999 04:07 PM PT (US) 
Scott

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I am about to get off this computer, but I do have to add to this.What bugs me these days is that everything MUST have a damn message. Almost everything we do these days has a MESSAGE. I'm surprised no one has come up with a message everytime we sit on the John.
For crying out loud, why can't I watch Donald Duck get angry and blow his temper and laugh about it without some moron trying to dissect the cartoon for any anti-values or values and any HIDDEN meanings and then trying to figure out what I am all about. Why can't it just be funny?
When I do a portrat of Nick from the Backstreet Boys for my neece because she goes goo, goo, ga, ga over the guy, is there any message to that? No, I just made the picture because she begged me to and because I love her and would die for here. So, there.
When I watched Independence Day, I din't watch it for any Messatge. Neither did I try to find one in Armaggeddons. Suere, great film making it probably isn't, but you know what, I had fun, adn didn't regret spending the money adn for about two hours I didn't think of the probglems in the world adn how I fit in them.
I think the world would be a better place if we could all just sit back and relax adn let a movie be a movie and a film a film .
And, most importantly, don't watch it if you don't like it.
Sigh,
I think I feel better now...oh gush, wonder what THAT means?Scott

posted 11-24-1999 04:18 PM PT (US) 
kyle42

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If we draw the line between MOVIES and FILMS (which are the same thing I am not sure where someone along the line decided they were different) where is it drawn? is it best for a movie to be in between? I don't necesarily consider entertainment as having "fun". Schindler's List is entertainment to me. It is depressing and remorseful but the value of entertainment is how it makes me think. Take for instance "Toy Story" it is hilarious AND has a meaning. The whole film is an allegory for frienships and so on. Some films can be fun and silly, I agree and I like some of those movies as well. For instance: "South Park" was great it was funny and had meaning and great characters and thought out storyline. But then you can look at movies like "Maifia!" that have all their morals and comedic values misaligned. Or on the other hand you can look at "Wild Things" a film that takes much more observance than a 'casual' movie viewing to understand that it is a comedy, not a raunchy sex movie. In that case the entertainment comes out of the effort put into making it campy.
Not all films have to be like this I just think it is wrong that we just 'accept' films that are badly developed as 'entertainment'. I am not necersarily saying all films need to be depressing and have no comedy.And so on. (for all you Vonnegut fans)
posted 11-24-1999 04:25 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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If I asked you to prove to me that these movies are "badly developed" how would you go about doing that?
I dont want an analytical break down of shots and scenes in a movie like Armageddon or anything of its kind, because who are you to say such a film is badly developed when the formula is proven to be so damn successful across the globe? You'd just give me your opinion in that it sucks, I would not ask you to prove your opinion, its obvious you dont like it, but you sound like you're giving an opinion of everyone else.So you dont like these brainless flicks, you feel they're a waste of time. SO DONT SEE THEM, you're clearly not their target audience sir! You like messages within you stories? Brilliant, but please accept some crave for total 100% escapism, escapism that goes beyond truth of reality in which we know it.
You're one guy, with one opinion and it means sh*t, because it's coming across as a single minded opinion. If you can accept that a vast majority of people worldwide enjoy specific types of movies and be open minded on such a situation than excellent, I just dont get that vibe from you.
I could say Toy Story is crap, would I be right? Nope, would I be wrong? nope...Are you right in saying its excellent? Naa, you yourself feel it is excellent, and I agree, it rocks, but there are people out there who will see otherwise.
Dan (UK)
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posted 11-24-1999 05:04 PM PT (US) 
Al

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People want to see movies that stimulate them. I think if a person doesn't go to the movies very much, a mindless action extravaganza will do the trick, but people who are avid moviegoers probably tire of what they find so predictable and set out to find something different in the cinema.The good thing is that really there is enough out there for everyone to enjoy. The people who complain about a movie simply made a mistake when choosing which film they thought they would enjoy at the theater.
posted 11-24-1999 08:55 PM PT (US) 
James

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quote:
If you believe it, then nothing can convince you not to. If you don't believe it, then nothing can convince you otherwise.James
NP - City of Angels (*****)posted 11-24-1999 09:02 PM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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Since "Schindler's List" is brought up so many times, I may as well throw in a plug for "Grave of the Fireflies"... better than Schindler's List believe it or not. Roger Ebert later said it was the only film that really made him cry. I loved it.But anyway... the point I was trying to make earlier is appreciate the film for what it is. The people who hate Armageddon are the people who expected plot & charactor development in this movie. I went to the theatre expecting mindless entertainment and fun, and that's exactly what I got, and I can appreciate the director's ability to make one of the most mindlessly-entertaining productions of the year.
It works the same way in the other direction. So called "Hardcore Anime Fans" complain about "GHOST in the SHELL" not having enough action scenes... because that's what they expect from japanese animation. Instead, they got an intelligent, challenging, and almost spiritual science fiction film.
PS... to the people who saw "The Princess Mononoke", go see "Nausicaa". It's a 1984 film from the same director; it's his first film. Much of the themes and ideas from "The Princess Mononoke" are actually recycled from "Nausicaa"... I liked it better than "T.P.M." (this film was not released in the US... it's only available in japanese, and in booleg subtitled versions. English-translated script available at www.nausicaa.net, which was the way I had to watch the Japanese version. This film was bought by Disney/Miramax, so they should produce a US release at some point.)
posted 11-24-1999 09:58 PM PT (US) 
kyle42

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Clearly we have lost the meaning of an opinion. Of course I understand that the whole world loved and saw Armageddon. Of course I understand that some people liked Toy Story while others may have not. That doesn't make my opinion invalid or not worth arguing? It's the kind of society we have been raised in where we are expected not to ask questions or challenge things. The whole essence of arguments or conversations (as we have going here) is an opinion.You say that who I am I to judge wether a film is badly developed because it has been successful. Just becuase people liked and saw it doesn't mean it has to be good in my opinion.
I cannot argue that these films have been successful and people have enjoyed them, that is fact. But I can express my opinion.
In Aramageddon, the one-sided view of the material is a fact. This movie is so obnoxious when it comes to its patriotism. I believe in patriotism, I believe in our country, but I don't believe that America would be the only ones to try to save the world nevertheless that the film bashes the Russians all the way throughout. I thought it was offensive and I am not even Russian!
I am blabbing now but the point is is that basic conversation is based on opinion. I am not threatning you or anybody here just trying to make people believe that you can stand up for what movies you think are worth being made or not.
Sorry if I have offended some but I believe strongly in this. Compare how many films are being made today to how many were made in the forties. We produce so many more and ignore quality that's why black and white films have been classified as "classic" movies because most of them are good.
posted 11-25-1999 11:29 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Kyle,
Dude, not trying to insult or argue here or anything, It's just the vibe I got from ya thats all. I mean, I prefer it when people reply with "I THINK *such and such a movie* was awful" instead of outright "IT'S AWFUL"......It just seemed that instead of speaking for yourself you spoke for all.Anyways, lets end this before we both get out of hand.

Dan (UK)
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posted 11-25-1999 02:47 PM PT (US) 
Sean Bires

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I'm sure the black and white era of filmmaking had it's share of terrible films. It's just that none of them are remembered. Only the great classics are remembered. The 40's had it's share of patriotic trash movies then too... the military took control of the movie industry, and forced them to release patriotic, pro-war films.
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