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Topic: Lord of the Rings Composer Announced...
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SFT
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AND IT IS....The Lord of the Rings: LOTS of 'Rings' news today. Composer Wojciech Kilar ("Apocalypse Now", "Bram Stoker's Dracula") revealed to Polish newspaper 'Gazeta Wyborcza' that he's almost finished negotiating a contract to compose the score for the massive NZ production... All I can say is  SFT
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posted 10-29-1999 11:05 AM PT (US) ip
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Dave
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I have to say that I am very pleased with that announcment. I really enjoyed the score to Dracula. I bet he supprises us all. dave NP : Face Off
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posted 10-29-1999 11:12 AM PT (US) ip
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Scott
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SFT,
I'm with you. That sucks.
A very sad Scott
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posted 10-29-1999 11:38 AM PT (US) ip
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Audacity
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What do you guys have against Kilar? I think he is a great composer. Was someone else rumored to do this score? I'm with Dave I think he will do great.Audacity
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posted 10-29-1999 12:02 PM PT (US) ip
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Jeron
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I think Kilar will do an excellent job on this project. There's no reason to be sad at all. This is new territory for Kilar, but hey - that's most likely a good thing. Look forward to it... there's not much else you can do now (unless you want to make yourself miserable... and if that's what you want to do, be my guest! I'm one who refuses to remain unhappy.)~Jeron PS - I don't know about you, SFT... but Scott - trust me on this one. I think you know what I'm talking about. [This message has been edited by Jeron (edited 10-29-99).]
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posted 10-29-1999 12:16 PM PT (US) ip
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Kevin
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I agree. I think it will be a very interesting set of scores for the three films.As for SFT and his - Man, I think you're only disappointed because Elfman didn't do it. Give Kilar a chance. Kevin
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posted 10-29-1999 12:58 PM PT (US) ip
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SFT
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Of course I´m dissapointed that Elfman did´nt do it! What else did you think I was referring too?I think Kilar will probably do a good job, but that does´nt change the fact that Elfman, in my opinion, would have been a better choice. So there!  SFT NP: Torn Curtain, Bernard Herrmann, ****/*****
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posted 10-29-1999 01:52 PM PT (US) ip
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Crono/Kyp
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I think its interesting, I can't wait to hear that this guy's going to do. Dracula was OK, but powerful none the less.I still wish James Horner or John Williams would have gotten the job. --Crono/Kyp
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posted 10-29-1999 04:21 PM PT (US) ip
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kyle42
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I am glad Kilar is going to be doing it. First of all Kilar doesn't do that many major releases, he spends his time on his projects where Eflmann or others already have so many things lined up for them. We can expect Kilar to spend time devloping themes and so on. I am thrilled. Kilar also wrote the score for the ninth gate coming out in a few months. His score is supposed to be excellent. Kilar has also done work with large symphonies his score will be great, good luck to him.
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posted 10-29-1999 04:26 PM PT (US) ip
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Dan Brecher
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Liked the Dracula score (good trailer music, hehe) and ooooooh this is gonna be an interesting one, or er, 3, as I presume he will score the entire trilogy. Look forward to it!Dan (UK)
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posted 10-29-1999 05:58 PM PT (US) ip
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Scott
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Jeron,
I get it ( I think).
Still wish it would have been Williams or Goldsmith...but that's my bias speaking.
Scott
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posted 10-29-1999 08:23 PM PT (US) ip
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Dave
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As you know I am happy that Kilar is scoring the film. But since Horner's name has come up, does anyone know what his next project is? I am curious to hear somthing new from him.dave NP : The Crow
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posted 10-30-1999 12:32 AM PT (US) ip
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SFT
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I´m not going to be sad at all about this. In fact, maybe I just got my hopes up too high. Perhaps Elfman never wanted this project to begin with?
He is quite buissy. When you think of it, LOTR is a very big project. So it does not at all surprise me Elfman did´nt do it. He is working on a new "rock/pop" album, and a ballet based on Edward Scissorhands...not to mention he is still trying to get Disney to finace his musical "Little Demons" that he also is going to direct... All in all, I have faith that Kilar will give us something interesting. Better him than Horner in any case I say! (no offense intended) SFT NP: The Tree Musketeers, Michael Kamen
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posted 10-30-1999 02:44 AM PT (US) ip
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Al
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Hey, it'll be something new. I really don't know what to expect now. That makes it really quite interesting.
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posted 10-30-1999 09:44 AM PT (US) ip
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Jeron
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Scott, you and I both know that realistically, that would be setting our expectations too high.~J
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posted 10-30-1999 10:26 AM PT (US) ip
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Scott
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Jeron,
right you are mate.
But dreaming it was sure fun
Scotty
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posted 10-30-1999 11:41 AM PT (US) ip
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James
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Dave -James Horner's next project is a movie coming out later this year (I think) starring Robin Williams called Bicentennial Man. It's about an android who wishes to become human (cough Data), and the story will span 200 years (hence the title). It's directed by Chris Columbus. Apparently, there's going to be another song written by Horner and Jennings and performed by Celion Dion. After that he has two projects lined up. One is called The Perfect Storm, which I believe is a drama, but I don't know much about it. The second is a big-budget production of How the Grinch Stole Christmas starring Jim Carrey. This information all came from IMDb, so I can't guarantee its accuracy. James
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posted 10-30-1999 12:18 PM PT (US) ip
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S Smith
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Not another Jim Horner/Celine Dion song. I still haven't gotten over the last one.
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posted 10-30-1999 12:54 PM PT (US) ip
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Crono/Kyp
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James and Dave -All the above Horner info is correct. The Bicentennial Man is being release by Sony Classical in Dec of this year. In 2000 The prefact Storm and How The Grinch Stole Christmas is rumered to also be released on Sony Classical but nothing is final. BTW How The Grinch is directed by Ron Howard. --Crono/Kyp
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posted 10-30-1999 02:42 PM PT (US) ip
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robin4
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Interesting...As you may know, I love his Dracula (it will be going non-stop until Nov. 1). I am very interested in what he can do. P.S. I've missed a lot since my b-day (Oct. 28) because we had the opening to South Pacific yesterday (Oct. 29), my acting career start. Here's hoping I can do a lot more.
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posted 10-30-1999 04:32 PM PT (US) ip
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Scott
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Robin4,
Happy Birthday and congratulations to your acting debut.
How old are you now?Scott
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posted 10-30-1999 07:09 PM PT (US) ip
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Al
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A Perfect Storm is another movie about a doomed ship. Horner shall have a field day.
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posted 10-30-1999 08:54 PM PT (US) ip
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robin4
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posted 10-31-1999 09:01 AM PT (US) ip
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Soundtracker
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quote:
Originally posted by SFT:
AND IT IS....The Lord of the Rings: LOTS of 'Rings' news today. Composer Wojciech Kilar ("Apocalypse Now", "Bram Stoker's Dracula") revealed to Polish newspaper 'Gazeta Wyborcza' that he's almost finished negotiating a contract to compose the score for the massive NZ production... All I can say is SFT
Well, I'd prefer Howard Shore... 
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posted 12-21-2001 07:44 PM PT (US) ip
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Timmer
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I would have liked to hear what Kilar would have done, he would have been a good choice?!However, Shore's score is magnificent ....As for Elfman, he didn't do it thank goodness! this film is WAYYYY out of his league!
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posted 12-22-2001 05:15 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Rosenman's score remains a masterpiece, but Shore accomplished what Rosenman couldn't: He wrote a Tolkien score. The novel is basically about transience, and you can really hear that in Shore's score.NP: The Fellowship of the Ring
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posted 12-22-2001 05:54 AM PT (US) ip
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André Lux
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Rosenman's score is quite lame actualy.
Only two or three good parts, the rest is poor and cliché.Shore's score is the work of an artist. A masterpiece.
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posted 12-22-2001 08:18 AM PT (US) ip
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SFT
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Timmer, I'm curious...what exactly do you mean when you say LOTR is WAYYYY out of Elfman's league?SFT
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posted 12-22-2001 02:20 PM PT (US) ip
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Jeron
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Uh oh, Timmer... SFT's latched on to you! He's going for the kill! You're in for it now!  [Message edited by Jeron on 12-22-2001]
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posted 12-22-2001 04:58 PM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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What makes you think Elfman could have done it? Williams wouldn't have written a real Tolkien score. Goldsmith wouldn't. Herrmann, Rozsa and Korngold wouldn't.I'd say LOTR is way out of pretty anyone's league.
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posted 12-23-2001 04:50 AM PT (US) ip
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SFT
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Hey, hey hey - let's not sell anyone short here, okay? Saying that all these composer couldn't have "done it" is incredibly close minded, and really makes no sense at all. No one could possible imagine how Herrmann might haved score this film.
As for Elfman, I happen to think he could have done it. Saying Shore is only one who could is redundant. He did it - that's it. Great score for many, less so for others. The fact is, that we'll just never know how anyone else "would have" done it. A lot of people were having doubts that Shore could pull this off. He's never done anything like this before, and cetainly, one could question his abilities to score a major epic fantasy film. He did so admirably, just like every good composer often proves himself skilled in scoring various genres. Saying Elfman couldn't have done it is about the same as when no one thought he would create a decent score for Batman - or when nobody belived he could score Sommersby.....just don't sell these guys short. Shore is not the only talented composer out there.SFT
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posted 12-23-2001 05:25 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Wrong. For one thing, I didn't say that Shore is the only one who could have done it. All I'm saying is that most composers couldn't. Not because they're not able to write an epic score. There are lots of composers who can write epic scores (including all I mentioned above), but that doesn't qualify them to score LOTR.What separates Shore from most others is that he understood what he scored, and that he did a lot of research. LOTR isn't about being an epic. Just look at the battle sequences in the film - they're not very heroic. This is about, among other things, the waning of a world.
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posted 12-23-2001 06:07 AM PT (US) ip
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SFT
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Come on....what makes you think that these other composer wouldn't have understood and researched LOTR as much as Shore, and put just as much effort into it?
Herrmann for one had an intimate understanding of literature, espeically english literature, and a deep knowledge of music of various periods and genres. A knowledge he would undoubtedly have brought to the film.
Kilar, fx, I belive would have created a score which would have pierced though the characters and the narrative (much as he did in Dracula) binding all the elements together, rather than just going with the action, which is what I feel Shore has done.
When it comes to Elfman I think he could have written a score that, while perhaps not MUSICALLY as true to Tolkien, would have been far better on a DRAMATIC level.
But hey, that's just my opinion.SFT NP: Jesus bleibet meine freude, J.S. Bach
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posted 12-23-2001 06:54 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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But characters and narrative just make the surface of LOTR. Content-wise, I'd never have expected something as true to LOTR as Shore's score, even though many other composers might have written scores that work equally well on a dramatic level.Who else, for example, would have put Saruman's love for technology into the score? And one thing I know for sure: Unless Williams does already know the books, he couldn't have written anything nearly as cohesive. We all know he doesn't read scripts - he would have scored the first movie without any knowledge of the upcoming two.
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posted 12-23-2001 07:23 AM PT (US) ip
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André Lux
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Elfman... hihihihihihihihi!!
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posted 12-23-2001 12:03 PM PT (US) ip
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John Zimmer
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I think that Peter Jackson wanted Shore to score LOTR because he didn't want people to think of the score as a "Williams score" or "Goldsmith score" or maybe even a "Horner score." *shudder* He wanted people to think of it as "The Lord of The Rings score" in fact he most likely chose Shore because he wasn't well known. Therefore people would buy the score not for the composer but for the film. Well that's my 2 cents on the matter. Np: Glory (James Horner) *****/***** Jz
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posted 12-23-2001 02:20 PM PT (US) ip
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André Lux
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I am sure Jackson wanted a real talented and skilled composer to LOTR. Not a hack that would destroy his movies with simple, poor and lame tunes...
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posted 12-23-2001 02:24 PM PT (US) ip
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SFT
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Andre, why don't you just FOR ONCE actually contribute something to this board, rather than making those idiotic remarks all the time? No wonder no one respects you...SFT
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posted 12-23-2001 03:01 PM PT (US) ip
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James
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quote:
Originally posted by John Zimmer:
I think that Peter Jackson wanted Shore to score LOTR because he didn't want people to think of the score as a "Williams score" or "Goldsmith score" or maybe even a "Horner score." *shudder* He wanted people to think of it as "The Lord of The Rings score" in fact he most likely chose Shore because he wasn't well known. Therefore people would buy the score not for the composer but for the film.
I think you're onto something there, and its strangely akin to some of the things Kevin Smith said about Shore in his commentary on the "Dogma" DVD. He mentions how he had temp-tracked the entire movie almost exclusively with Elfman music, and entered into negotiations with Danny about scoring the film. He declined, but Smith goes on to say that it was all for the better because if Elfman had gone with the project, it would have been another "Danny Elfman score," not a "Dogma score," which is what he feels Shore produced. Interesting. Kirk
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posted 12-23-2001 08:01 PM PT (US) ip
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SCimmerian
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Now of course Marian, Herrmann would have been ideal to score this film.He was and always will be the master of fantasy film music.As I have said to you once, that Peter Jackson is a huge fan of the films of Ray Harryhausen and of Herrmann's music for those classic fantasy films. Shore is also a Herrmann fan too.You can hear Herrmann influence in the music for Sauramans orc army, that technology music you called it its very similar to Pursuit by Giants from THE 3 WORLDS OF GULLIVER.Can you imagine what Herrmann would have done with the Mines of Moria and the Balrog sequence, well it would be WAY more terrifing.The pastoral sequences in the film would have really been helped with some of Herrmanns beautiful seanic music. I really liked Shores score,some of it was Sibelian sounding mixed with a little RVW,Holst too. Well anyhow I think Benny would be best.
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posted 12-23-2001 10:14 PM PT (US) ip
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