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    Topic:   John Scott

     Scott
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    Is it me, or is John Scott one of the most underappreciated composers in the industry today?
    I think the guy is the bomb.

    Scott

    PS. Of course he has to be good, we share the same name (ha,ha,ha. Just a little weekend humor. Gotta go to my martial arts class and kick some butt)

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    posted 10-01-1999 05:13 PM PT (US)     

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    He needs some better movies to score. That's about all I can say.

    His Jungle Book 2 score was very good but also fairly predictable.

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    posted 10-02-1999 08:42 AM PT (US)     

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    OK, so I have finally decided I need to investigate this guy and his work! I listened to some samples on his website and was quite impressed with FINAL COUNTDOWN, WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and KING KING LIVES. What are other opinions on these? How would you describe his style? Is is always fully orchestral? Has he used a choir in any of his scores?

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    posted 06-21-2002 12:06 PM PT (US)     

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    I listen to J Scott more than any other composer. Two things comes to mind in trying to describe his "style", so to speak.

    1) Ability to write thematically rich and varied music.

    2) Incredible grasp of music styles in general, ranging through all time periods and genres.

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    posted 06-21-2002 04:10 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by TV's Frank:
    OK, so I have finally decided I need to investigate this guy and his work! I listened to some samples on his website and was quite impressed with FINAL COUNTDOWN, WILLIAM THE CONQUERER and KING KING LIVES. What are other opinions on these? How would you describe his style? Is is always fully orchestral? Has he used a choir in any of his scores? <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>


    His style is usually full orchestra usally about 80 musicians, but ocassionaly he does insert some electronics, but not very often. He writes really big and memorable themes. As for choir, Antony and Cleopatra is only score I know of with choir.

    But any if you are interested in John Scott, and want to test the waters, I recommend his score to "Far from Home: The Adevtures of Yellow Dog". Not only is that one of his best, but I think it kinda sums up his usually style.


    Also I don't know if anyone has ever read them, or even know they exist, but last year I submitted a hand full of John Scott score reviews that I owned at the time. http://www.moviemusic.com/composer.asp?id=scottj check them out!


    OH and ONE more Thing!
    Don't think that sound clip from Walking Thunder sums up the whole score on the John Scott website. I don't know why that guy chose that one track to sample. But the rest of the score is nothing like that, its better!

    [Message edited by TimT on 06-21-2002]

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    posted 06-21-2002 04:38 PM PT (US)     

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    I`ve always tried to get into Scott, but every single time I get a new album from him, I`m just dissapointed. I think his themes are too obvious (oh, god, Lionheart, the cheese!) and his action stuff is just really random. IMHO, a very over-rated (on the fan side) composer. Bring on a good onew like Broughton!
    BTW: I only own Greystoke (crap), Final Countdown (okay), Ruby (his best so far) and North Star ( absolute ****ing **** !)

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    posted 06-22-2002 07:47 PM PT (US)     

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    Monkey, 12,000 Leagues Under the Sea, The Decievers, Antony and Cleopatra, and The New Swiss Family Robinson are among my favorite Scott scores. Give those a whirl. I'm not really into pitting two composers against each other as far as who's more under-appreciated, but as anyone who knows me knows, I'll hang my Bruce Broughton flag up proud and tall any day.

    Jeron

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    posted 06-22-2002 08:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I've written about my love for John Scott's music many times on this board. I don't feel inclined to repeat myself but thank god there's a search function.

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    posted 06-22-2002 10:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Actually, I never found the Final Countdown to be all that great
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    posted 06-22-2002 11:06 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by monkey:
    I`ve always tried to get into Scott, but every single time I get a new album from him, I`m just dissapointed. I think his themes are too obvious (oh, god, Lionheart, the cheese!) and his action stuff is just really random. IMHO, a very over-rated (on the fan side) composer. Bring on a good onew like Broughton!
    BTW: I only own Greystoke (crap), Final Countdown (okay), Ruby (his best so far) and North Star ( absolute ****ing **** !)
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    mokey...you have got to be kidding me!!

    Greystoke is one of John Scott's best film socres and Final Countdown is equally excellent.

    I loved both of these scores long before I was lucky and priviledged enough to become a friend of John Scott.

    I know we all have our tastes, but I think it is a damn shame that composers of the caliber of John Scott (as well as Bruce Broughton, Basil Poledouris and David Shire among others) are not getting the quality A-list assignments these days. They are so much better qualified than these Media Vultures...err...Ventures guys that are doing their usual schtick. (Sorry...it's ground covered here many times...but it's how I see it.)

    Anyway...John Scott is a great guy. A gentleman with such a dry sense of humor as well as a class act all the way. He also is noted for orchestrating all his own work too. Very few composers bother to do that anymore...so you can't say it was someone else doing the work! AND he is also very gracious about getting his work out there for us to hear. How many other composers bother to put out their film scores on their own independent label, often at their own cost without making any profit??? I know Lalo Schifrin has done it, but I think John was the first.

    I'm just thankful he is still writing such wonderful film scores and providing them to us to enjoy.

    James

    [Message edited by Bond1965 on 09-15-2006]

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    posted 06-23-2002 04:30 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jeron:
    I'm not really into pitting two composers against each other as far as who's more under-appreciated, but as anyone who knows me knows, I'll hang my Bruce Broughton flag up proud and tall any day.

    Jeron


    I would love to see an iron cage match with TimT and monkey versus John Scott...

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    posted 06-23-2002 11:06 PM PT (US)     

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    There's nothing obvious about a John Scott score.
    Lionheart-- What's the theme about? It only releases in bits and pieces for most of the film, a layer at a time, always on the upswing but not totally when it gets into trouble by way of complex violence cues as the protag uses his martial skills for money. Only when the character's motivation focuses on the well-being of his brother's family doe s the theme start to come together, and then it only reaches fruition as a complete statement at the end of the fight with Atilla the Killa when the Van damme character not only uses his skill to beat his opponent, but chooses not to let his emotions take over and kill him, he lets him go with honor as a bested fighter. Then the theme becomes itself, doesn't it? It's about choosing compassionate action as opposed to being a thug. It's a comment on what it is to be a trained warrior in the Martial Arts. Very far from obvious, because it treats the issues with great respect, great dramatic flair, and heart. There is no other theme that sounds like John Scott's theme in Lionheart, anywhere, except maybe in other John Scott scores that involve a lot of power and uplift that always overcomes opposing forces in the composition, so it's all musicological drama plus action drama. Excellent.

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    posted 06-24-2002 10:44 AM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by mlw:
    There is no other theme that sounds like John Scott's theme in Lionheart, anywhere, except maybe in other John Scott scores that involve a lot of power and uplift that always overcomes opposing forces in the composition, so it's all musicological drama plus action drama. Excellent.

    [Message edited by mlw on 06-24-2002]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I always thought the final track from Shergar kinda sounded like the Lionheart theme. And I think Jeron (I think it was him) said that the Lionheart theme was some kinda variation of a Goldsmith theme... but I never found it.

    NP I am Dina

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    posted 06-24-2002 11:29 AM PT (US)     

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    Quite honestly, I doubt that the large majority of film score enthusiasts have heard but a very limited sampling of Mr. Scott's work. I listened to "Cousteau, The Amazon part 2" twice this weekend and it (and other titles in the JS Cousteau discography) have grand, sweeping musical passages that are simply incredible. Likewise for titles like "The Scarlett Tunic", "Becoming Collette" and other gems that seem to be totally off the radar screen. I place John Scott in the very high company of George Delerue, again a composer that precious few have sought to become REALLY familiar with. Enjoy!

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    posted 06-24-2002 03:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok, I really do want to get into Scott, but everytime I buy I new album of his, I`m just so ****ing dissapointed! He does compose fairly good themes but his action music (what I`ve heard of) is just crap. And Lionheart, You may be right about the theme development during the film, but the theme itself is a horrible saxophone-infested piece of pseudo-early 90`s easy-listening music **** that is unbeareable. Yes, it does get a cool treatment during the end titles where the synth precussion is obviously influenced by Goldsmith`s Total Recall, but that does not make the overall score good.
    I have yet to hear Nicholas & Alexandra, if somebody would be gracious enough to send me some clips, I might be persuaded to the `good` side.

    [Message edited by monkey on 06-25-2002]

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    posted 06-24-2002 05:19 PM PT (US)     

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    Didn't Richard Rodney Bennett write the music for Nicholas & Alexandra?

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    posted 06-24-2002 07:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Mr. Monkey, if you contact me through ICQ or email I will be happy to send you clips from a few of my favorite JS CDs.

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    posted 06-24-2002 07:45 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh yeah, JS score was for Anthony & Cleopatra, silly me!

    [Message edited by monkey on 06-26-2002]

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    posted 06-25-2002 05:32 PM PT (US)     

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    Will someone send monkey an mp3 of the Antony & Cleopatra suite from JOS Conducts His Favorite Film Scores? It's for a good cause...

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    posted 06-25-2002 06:55 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by monkey:
    Ok, I really do want to get into Scott, but everytime I buy I new album of his, I`m just so ****ing dissapointed! He does compose fairly good themes but his action music (what I`ve heard of) is just crap. And Lionheart, You may be right about the theme development during the film, but the theme itself is a horrible saxophone-infested piece of pseudo-early 90`s easy-listening music **** that is unbeareable. Yes, it does get a cool treatment during the end titles where the synth precussion is obviously influenced by Goldsmith`s Total Recall, but that does not make the overall score good.
    I have yet to hear Nicholas & Alexandra, if somebody would be gracious enough to send me some clips, I might be persuaded to the `good` side.

    [Message edited by monkey on 06-25-2002]


    Monkey...get off John Scott's back. ;-)

    His action music is GREAT. You just aren't paying attention.

    Try King Kong Lives (especially the opening rescore of the 1976 original) and Red King, White Knight (as I mentioned in my previous post).

    Also try his score for Shoot to Kill.

    My god...to call this music crap while there is all that other stuff currently out there getting more attention is a joke.

    James

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    posted 06-25-2002 09:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Actually, I recently acquired a copy of Shoot to Kill, and was not impressed at all and found it pedestrian. I am not criticising the man himself, who I`m sure, is a great person. I do need to gget hold of King Kong Lives, but this time I won`t have any lofty expectations, maybe that`ll help.

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    posted 06-26-2002 03:23 AM PT (US)     

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    I had a chance to listen to some A & C, though only short clips and I must say that they sounded fantastic! I may have to acquire a copy of this, that will possibly change my mind about Scott.

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    posted 06-26-2002 04:05 AM PT (US)     

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    Somehow this thread is like one arguing that Jet Li sucks because he can't fight whereas MICHAEL DUDIKOFF kicks ass!

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    posted 06-26-2002 09:20 AM PT (US)     

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    Perhaps an iron cage match with John Scott and Michael Dudikoff vs monkey and Jet Li is in order?
    monkey, I wonder if you've seen any of these movies that John has scored. You may appreciate his "pedestrian" writing abilities more. On the other hand, skip seeing King Kong Lives.

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    posted 06-26-2002 09:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Yes, I have seen Shoot to Kill (Tom Berenger is all I need to say about that film), The Final Conutdown (decent-ish), Greystoke (Christopher f*ucking Lambert) and Lionheart (less said about this, the better).
    So, are you implying that the lack I may find in the music stems from the fact that the films are bad?
    Doesn`t work like that in Goldsmith`s case.

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    posted 06-27-2002 04:19 AM PT (US)     

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    No, monkey. I was thinking you might appreciate the music more if you knew how it was used in those respective films. But that's fine... I'm outta this one. You don't like John Scott. That's your choice. But when you compare his music to what's being offered these days, it's far from pedestrian crap. And it's unfortunate that you don't see that. But... the great thing about film music is that you might not like something now but you may come to like it later.

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    posted 06-27-2002 11:11 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I have certainly appreciated the myriad responses this thread has generated! I actually ordered WILLIAM THE CONQUERER from Screen Archives as my first Scott score. Odd choice maybe, but the clip I heard intrigued me and I'm a sucker for regal and/or medieval era film scores. It should arrive this week and I'll let everyone know my impression. I should sample other Scott scores, though, just to develop a fuller, well-rounded representation of what he is capable of.

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    posted 06-27-2002 11:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Okay, I'm sold.

    I just got through listening to Scott's WILLIAM THE CONQUERER album and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it! His themes for William as well as the love theme were splendid, the choral and period instrumental pieces were neat, and his battle music was quite engaging. I loved his use of strings and winds, the interplay between the sections and his accomplished use of counterpoint and nice harmonic intervals. I think I shall seek out more of Scott's work starting now!

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    posted 06-27-2002 08:10 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by TV's Frank:
    Okay, I'm sold.

    I just got through listening to Scott's WILLIAM THE CONQUERER album and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it! His themes for William as well as the love theme were splendid, the choral and period instrumental pieces were neat, and his battle music was quite engaging. I loved his use of strings and winds, the interplay between the sections and his accomplished use of counterpoint and nice harmonic intervals. I think I shall seek out more of Scott's work starting now! <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Cool. Now you may have noticed already but the packaging for William is screwed up. Look it list 14 tracks, but the CD has 18!
    I have to recheck but I think the problem starts at track 4, the sub cues have there own tracks on the CD, even though they are all listed as being apart of track 4 on the pagkage. So when you get track 5 on the CD it's actually listed a track 4-B. The real track 5 doesn't start until track 7.

    Now what should you get for you next JS score. Farm from Home and 20,000 Leauges Under the Sea! And if you can find them Ruby and Shogun Mayeda!

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    posted 06-27-2002 08:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Jeron, 20,000 Leagues partner.

    LOL.

    I like most of the Scott I have. A very good composer. I own all these:

    1. Cousteau-several-many are very good
    2. King Kong Lives-exc
    3. Deceivers-some great cues
    4. Final Countdown
    5. Man on Fire
    6. Shogun Mayeda
    7. Ruby
    8. Walking Thunder
    9. To the Ends of the EArth
    10. Antony and Cleopatra-great stuff
    11. Study in Terror
    12. Long Duel
    13. several others

    Great composer, J.

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