I know, I know, a lot of films, just try to get through it I guess...

Scott

Ok, as for order... hmmm, this is gonna be hard. I love all the movies and the music. Here goes:

1) The Motion Picture
2) The Wrath of Khan
3) First Contact
4) Undiscovered Country
5) The Final Frontier
6) The Voyage Home
7) Generations
8) Insurrection
9) The Search for Spock

Ok, so - there's my order. Did I hit the target or completely throw your projections off?

~Jeron

1. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
2. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn
3. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
4. Star Trek: First Contact
5. Star Trek: Insurrection
6. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
7. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
8. Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
9. Star Trek: Generations

Oh yeah..... Hey Scott! (SLAP)

~Jeron

NP - One True Thing (Eidelman) 4 out of 5

you might have missed the point (or maybe not ).

It's the music we're talking about, not the movies. Yes, 5 was the worst, but the music was pretty good.

The Motion Picture
First Contact
Final Frontier
Undiscovered Country
Insurrection
Wrath of Kahn
Search for Spock
Voyage Home
Generations

As for Final Frontier, you Jeron, and I seem to be the only people who actually enjoyed that movie. As to the score, I think it's a very good one indeed.

Anyway, I'm going to Blockbuster to rent South Park (NOT)

[This message has been edited by Scott (edited 09-26-99).]

[This message has been edited by Scott (edited 09-26-99).]

Here's my order:

The Motion Picture
The Wrath of Khan
The Final Frontier
The Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Insurrection
Generations
Search for Spock
The Voyage Home

And, Jeron,
I agree...

I have to first say I'm a "closet trekkie", I only come out of that closet whenever the movies get released. After Insurrection- I could see how I might stay in the closet for a while.

But, so far as the music is concerned: here's my ranking- which I hate to do, but oh well.

The Motion Picture - The Wrath of Khan (Tie)
The Search For Spock
First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
The Voyage Home
Insurrection
Generations
Final Frontier

The characters certainly don't lead perfect lives, the stories aren't always incredibly awesome. Just accept it. It's more real that way (if you can get real w/ Star Trek AT ALL... certainly more so than Star Wars of course).

Same goes with the movies. You have your good stories and your bad ones. It all contributes to the Star Trek universe and makes it what it is. Star Trek is still an awesome thing. I think very highly of each movie - not because they are all superb and noteworthy, but because they add to the diversity and uniqueness of the Star Trek universe.

Same goes with the film scores as well - and yes, I agree that EVERY SINGLE Star Trek score is completely listenable AND enjoyable.

I hope I'm not sounding wacko here... lemme know if you get what I'm saying. I think it's reasonable.

~J

Scott

NP. First Knight(Jerry Goldsmith)****

You're missing out man! Tune in to Voyager, if anything do it for Jeri Ryan! hehe, not to mention her incredibly entertaining relationship with the doctor. It's good stuff! Really, it is! Beats watching Dawson's Creek. (don't kill me for saying that)

~J

No 1: Star Trek-The Motion Picture
No 2: The Wrath of Khan
No 3: (A tie)The Final Frontier/First Contact
No 4: The Undiscovered Country
No 5: Insurrection
No 6: Generations
No 7: The Search for Spock
No 8: The Voyage Home

That's what it seems to come down to.

~J-Dog

1. First Contact (Great)
2. V The Final Frontier (The great score for a sub-par film)
3. VI The Undiscovered Country
5. Insurrection (The synth can be a little irritable but ignore it.)
4. The Motion Picture (Would be higher on list if movie was better and the V'Ger theme hadn't been so annoying. Ilia's, The Klingon, and Main Title were the best ever from Goldsmith.)
6. Generations (Great work from a first time film composer, could have been better)
7. IV The Voyage Home (An average comedy score for great film. Nothing very dramatic)
8. II The Wrath of Khan (Poor)
9. III The Seach for Spock (Poor)

quote:

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The reason given for Kes's departure, is that the writers didn't have enough ideas anymore for the character. Since Kes is the only character on board that isn't supposed to be or trying to be a model officer, the human side of the problems encountered can only be played off Kes. It therefore begs the question whether writers that don't see stories for Kes, or involvement of Kes in other stories, are suited to write Startrek stories. Startrek stories need to have some problem or issue which is both scifi and involves a character on a personal level. Taking Kes out of the Voyager chemistry severely damages the ability to make proper Startrek stories work.

Fortunately for the writers the official reason given is not the real reason. To further 'sex-up' the series a new character was introduced (7/9) which has and showed certain physical attributes that were out of all proportions. Note that even with the enormous amount of advertising for that fourth season, the average viewing figures without Kes and with 7/9 were lower than the episodes with Kes and without 7/9. But one character had to leave to make way for 7/9.

Harry Kim was selected as the character that was to leave. But based on an online poll (and we all know how unreliable online polls are) of a magazine, in which the actor was in the top 50, the producers decided that having such a popular person on the show would be free publicity. They decided to keep Kim. No announcement was made to the actors as to who had to leave, but Ethan Phillips (Neelix) fully expected to be the one.

The first episode of the fourth season sees Harry Kim recover from his fatal illness. No one leaves yet. The script for the second episode was sent to the actors. Jennifer must have been thrilled to see another episode that features Kes and her exploration of her mental abilities. She must have been wondering what miracle the writers had come up with to solve the problems threatening the ship and Kes herself. The curiosity must have been on a high when Kes is in the shuttle, transforms to a higher level of existence, and sends the ship ten years closer to home. How are they now going to find Kes back? She turns the page. "The End". They do not find Kes back, Jennifer is the one who gets fired. No one had told her.

It gets worse. The producers didn't even have a proper reason to select Kes. I gave one argument earlier why it harms the series if Kes is not there, and I can give more. But they had no counter-argument as far as I know. Kim would be logical, since his personality makes that he doesn't do much and doesn't get involved, unlike Kes's personality. Neelix would be the next logical choice, since Startrek fans hate him (I don't, I just think he's flawed. I loved the Jetrel episode).

One producer, who has fortunately left now and who has been a destructive force towards Startrek: Voyager on other occasions as well, had a little feud with another producer. This second one liked Kes, so the first disliked Kes. Or, the first disliked Kes, so the second liked her. In any case it was petty. Getting rid of Kim was the second producer's idea, and when (s)he was 'proven' wrong by the online poll, the first producer had a chance to get back at him/her. That's why Jennifer Lien was so coldly fired. And that's how they killed the last shred of humanity on Startrek: Voyager, just to satisfy their childish needs.

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Is that true?

Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and Voayger

--Crono/Kyp
Writer/Director/Producer

Anyway, here are my Trek favorites:

Movies:

1) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn (great vilain and nice action sequences)

2) Star Trek: The Motion Picture (very interesting story and impressive visuals)

3) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (100% fun with a beatiful message)

4) Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (100% trash and fun, just like the old days!)

5) Star Trek III: The Search For Spock (good to see Spock back. Loved the visual)

5) Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (nice plot and a decent farewel)

6) Star Trek: First Contact (almost nice movie, but ruined by the boring TNG guys)

7) Star Trek: Generations (senseless plot and a shameless death for Kirk!)

8) Star Trek: Insurrection (all the politicaly correct giberish made me sick!)

Now the scores:

1) Star Trek: The Motion Picture (one of the top ten scores of all times. Pure Jerry's magic)

2) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn (Horner at his best days: writing unoriginal music but with style and strength)

3) Star Trek III: The Search For Spock (the same as the above)

4) Star Trek: First Contact (Jerry helped the movie with a gorgeous new theme and his usual impressive action music)

5) Star Trek: Generations (surprisingly powerful score for a lame movie, with a beautiful theme for the Nexus, cloned by HZimmer on "TPOE")

6) Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (an average score for Jerry, but still very functional and with some genuine inspired moments)

7) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (very weak score by Rosenman, but works fine with the movie on the comic scenes)

8) Star Trek: Insurrection (burocratic Jerry's score for the worst Trek movie ever made)

5) Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Eidelman's amateur attempt to re-do Holst's "The Planets" is complete out of place for a Trek movie. The music for the finale is ok, but that's all)

Just my humble opinion, of course...!

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Scott

1) TMP
2) Wrath of Khan
3) First Contact
4) Insurrection
5) Search for Spock
6) Undiscovered Country
7) Final Frontier
8) Voyage Home
9) Generations

THE MOTION PICTURE
THE FINAL FRONTIER
THE WRATH OF KHAN
FIRST CONTACT
THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
GENERATIONS
INSURRECTION
THE VOYAGE HOME
THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (the only one I don't want to own)

Films, in order:

THE WRATH OF KHAN
THE VOYAGE HOME
FIRST CONTACT
THE FINAL FRONTIER (sue me!)
THE MOTION PICTURE (long version only)
THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY
GENERATIONS
INSURRECTION

NP: The theme song from RIO CONCHOS! You won't believe it till you hear it! My jaw hit the floor!

Jerry Goldsmith: "The Motion Picture"

Sol Kaplan: "The Doomsday Machine"

Jerry Goldsmith: "The Final Frontier"

Jay Chattaway: "The Inner Light"

Fred Steiner: "Balance of Terror"

I did single out the Motion Picture scores only, but hey, why not. It don't itch me none.