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    Topic:   Opening a can of worms....

     SFT
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    Regarding Lord of the Rings and who we´d like to see score it, one of my freinds at The Elfman Zone Discussion Board (The Texas Ranger to be exact) made this little post about how he felt about Danny Elfman´s possible involvement with the projetc. Since I think it´s kind of funy, and expresses my own opinion perfectly aswell, I thought I would share it with you, and see what kind of comments I got

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    "ELFMAN FOR LORD OF THE RINGS?! WHO´S DUMB IDEA WHAS THAT?"

    "You want who to do the score to Pee Wee's Big Adventure!? Oh come on Tim - he's a rock star - he's never written any REAL music!"

    "For BATMAN!? Are you nuts!? This guy only does comedy. Sure he's quirky and off beat, but we need someone who can write a BIG score! Not a little 5 piece ensemble bit. Besides it needs to be really dark - he's too light for the picture."

    "For Nightmare Before Christmas!? Come one, sure he's done songs - but a pop song and an entire musical are two different things. There's no way he can write the score, write the lyrics, write the music for the lyrical songs, and sing the main lead! It's impossible!"

    "For Sommersby!? You must be crazy! This guy's dark and creepy. Even the film about the scissorhands guy was twisted. We need something lush, and beautiful. Why don't we just go with Johnny Williams, okay?"

    "Dolores Claiborne!? Are you out of your mind!? This guy can't handle anything actually dark AND SERIOUS! He can only do quirky comic book dark, or beautifuly lush scores. We need a guy who can write a slow version of Psycho. Perhaps you should go with someone else. . ."

    "Mission Impossible!? We need a guy who can do a spy theme! Elfman can't handle that! He only does dark, serious, comic book, Herrmanesque, beautiful, orchestral scores. He can't do an electronic score. Sure - To Die For was electronic, but that was a comedy. Besides, his Boingo days are over, he's probably forgotten all the tricks of the synth trade. Mr. De Palma, maybe you should stay with Silvestri. . ."

    "You want WHO for Good Will Hunting!? Come on Mr. Van Sant. . .that guy is bombastic as hell. We need someone who writes low key music. . ."

    AND FINALLY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    "ELFMAN FOR LORD OF THE RINGS!? Come one, he can't do this - nobody can! Let's go with Williams."

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    ...took the words right out of my mouth

    SFT

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    posted 09-20-1999 11:46 AM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    SFT - Point well made... All I can say is, we'll just have to wait and see. You know where I stand, so we won't get into that.

    I'll keep my fingers crossed and you do the same. We'll see who comes out right on this one.

    ~Jeron

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    posted 09-20-1999 12:15 PM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    A friend of mine and I were discussing this very topic a few nights ago, batting around names of who might be scoring this movie trilogy.

    Relying on our experience (and I don't want to get into how long that is - it'd give away our ages ) we came to a few decisions (however right or wrong).

    First, we've all but eliminated John Williams for this project for a few reasons:

    1. Aside from the movies he will be scoring for Spielberg, he is also - don't forget - doing the next two Star Wars movies. This will take up his time.

    2. Having done (counting the upcoming SW movies) 3 trilogies (a trilogy of trilogies? ) - all 6 Star Wars movies plus the 3 Indiana Jones films - it's highly unlikely that he would want to tackle such a project.

    Second, we don't think Goldsmith will do it, but we might be wrong. Not to say he wouldn't do a good job, it's just that we feel it's not "up his alley" right now.

    We kicked around a few more names, and came up with a few good posibilities: Basil Poledouris, Alan Silvestri, and James Horner.

    One person we'd love to see do it (but probably won't) is Patrick Doyle.

    Another person we didn't think would get it would be Danny Elfman. It's just not his area, and although we like his work, we don't think this would be for him (sorry SFT).

    These are just a few thoughts, taking into consideration the subject matter of the movie and the styles of the composers, and how they would "fit."

    Of ocurse, we might be wrong.

    Kevin
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    posted 09-20-1999 01:54 PM PT (US)     

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    "Another person we didn't think would get it would be Danny Elfman. It's just not his area, and although we like his work, we don't think this would be for him (sorry SFT)."

    Kevin, Kevin, Kevin..my dear boy...you completely missed the point of my post...thssss!.....

    SFT


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    posted 09-20-1999 02:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Good argument, SFT. Elfman wouldn't be a bad choice, and as he's worked with Peter Jackson, I wouldn't be surprised if he was chosen...Also, I think Goldsmith would be an excellent choice. It's been a while since he's gotten to do a really big epic score (for a good movie, that is). Legend, Lionheart, and First Knight are prime examples of his ability with the genre. If I were directing, he (or Williams, maybe) would be my first choice. Just my opinion...Patrick Doyle would be good as well, though.

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    posted 09-20-1999 08:22 PM PT (US)     

     Ben Penserga
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    Though personally,I don't really care who scores the movie (I've never been a fan of The Lord of the Rings), why not go with Elfman to score? The reason everyone seems to dismiss him, or other composers is that everyone associates certain composers with the same genres (ie Elfman-quirky, Zimmer-action). Give composers a chance to expand their resume, they might surprise you.

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    posted 09-20-1999 08:31 PM PT (US)     

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    There are ups and downs for chosing Elfman to pen this movie. The ups are all the scenes with Gollum, and the darker villians such as The Sumarilton and his underlings, will sounds soo awesome it will blow everyone away. The downs are the scenes of astonishing beauty, the massive battle scenes, the long acting sequences, and the complicated storyline. Elfman hasn't scored something this big in scope before.
    I'm pushing for Horner. Just because he's done fantasy before and knows how to approach the topic. MABYE Randy Edleman could do justice as well. (IE Dragonheart, Merlin)

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    posted 09-20-1999 09:16 PM PT (US)     

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    I think Horner or Williams should score it.

    --Crono/Kyp
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    posted 09-20-1999 09:49 PM PT (US)     

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    Just to correct ya, Trevor Jones did Merlin. Not Randy Edelman.

    I'm pushing for Trevor Jones or Jerry Goldsmith. Joel McNeely could do a great job too... he's our Goldsmith/Williams compromise.

    ~Jeron

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    posted 09-20-1999 10:51 PM PT (US)     

     S Smith
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    I was thinking Trevor Jones, but Patrick Doyle is an excellent idea.

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    posted 09-20-1999 11:09 PM PT (US)     

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    I wish Williams would do it, yet I doubt it; too busy and I think his developing style right now is leading him in other directions.
    Goldsmith would be great, and I fear we won't be that fortunate.
    McNeely seems a good choice, but I feel weird about him (don't know why).
    I think Trevor Jones would be the best choice, the guy is great.
    SFT, nothing against Elfman, the guy is amazing. I wouldn't mind him.
    Horner? I'll leave that on alone.

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    posted 09-21-1999 07:47 AM PT (US)     

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    THOMAS NEWMAN THOMAS NEWMAN!!!!!

    All of his scores so far have been really gentle and beautiful. With exceptions to a few tracks on Meet Joe Black. We need to hear a large epic score from him,

    dave

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    posted 09-21-1999 04:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Im thinking Horner or Goldsmith. Both do good scores for this kind of movie. Im against Elfman(I know you think im picking on him SFT, sorry) because his style is too off beat for this kind of movie. I just dont think hed be right. Then again this would be a good place for him to be completely different, as i mentioned in the 3 composers disucussion. I wouldnt pick Elfman, but if Jackson does and Elfman delivers an epic, beautiful score..more power to him.

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    posted 09-21-1999 06:18 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm not hoping for Williams, Goldsmith, or Horner, and these are my reasons:

    Williams: Too little time on his hands! Besides, after asking to do Stepmom, I have a feeling he's taking himself to other places...

    Goldsmith: Let me start of by saying that I really enjoyed The Mummy and The 13th Warrior, but it sounds to me like Goldsmith is tired of doing epic movies. I've enjoyed his recent action scores immensely, but they were nowhere near even the outer boundaries of the originality and intelligence Goldsmith is capable of. Even he himself stated in a recent interview (during ST: Ins...) that his favorite kind of movie to score is small romances. Besides, I'm still trying to catch up on my Goldsmith epics, another one would put me even more behind.

    Horner: Maybe early 80's Horner, but not recent Horner. I think he should be going for dramas right now, because that is what he has recently excelled at (in my opinion). Although not being vastly knowledgable of the LOTR universe, I might not know.

    Who am I hoping for? Go Danny! I think this is the perfect chance (as if Sleepy Hollow isn't already a perfect chance) to broaden his musical canvas. But, like I said, I'm not vastly knowledgable about the LOTR universe, so I can't really tell.

    James

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    posted 09-21-1999 07:36 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Hey James,
    if I understand you correctly the reason why you would not pick Williams is because of lack of time and Goldsmith because another epic would set you back in regards to your collection. These don't seem valid reasons to not want them to do the movie. I still think Williams or Goldsmith would be the best choices.
    As I am sitting here this morning I have to come to the defense of SFT. I am listening to the expanded score of Good Will Hunting (the one with Black Beauty). This man is versatile and though he has a distinct style, it is barely noticable in these two scores. The guy is good and I wouldn't mind him doing the score for LOR. Better him than Horner.
    I have read the trilogy, and I just hope the film will be any good.


    Scott

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    posted 09-22-1999 07:11 AM PT (US)     

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    Scott, you do not understand me correctly, but that is probably my fault. Although I did say those things in my reasons, they were only meant as minimal parts. My main reason for not choosing Williams was that I think he has been purposely altering his style, or approach rather. I was agreeing with your statement that Williams' developing style is taking him in a different direction. But you're right, this is not a very good reason for not wanting him to score the movie. I should have been more specific and said that is why I don't think he will do it. If he did, I'm sure he would provide an excellent score, but I don't think he will.

    As to my comment about my collection, that was only the last (and unrelated) sentence of my Goldsmith argument and it was meant to be a humorous remark (guess I forgot my smiley ) It is the rest of the paragraph which is the reason I'm not crossing my fingers for Goldsmith.

    I'm sorry I mislead you. I know you still disagree, but I don't want to be misunderstood.

    James
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    posted 09-22-1999 09:37 AM PT (US)     

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    James,
    on second reading of your reply, I see that the misunderstanding was on my part. I just get so darn defensive when it comes to Williams and Goldsmith and the criticism they have had to endure lately.
    Anyway, how do you make a smiley?(I'm new at this).

    Scotty

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    posted 09-22-1999 11:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Read the FAQ to learn about smilies.


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    posted 09-22-1999 01:43 PM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    James,
    thanks about the ,
    as you can see, I took your suggestion and now I know how to make them as well.

    Scott

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    posted 09-23-1999 11:46 AM PT (US)     

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    I have to say that all of the arguments that I have seen sound very plausible.

    If I had my pick it would be Williams, Elfman, T. Jones and lastly, Goldsmith.

    HUH? (I hear you say. Yes, you must actually stop and HUH?)

    Williams would be my first choice because of his deft handling of epic, imaginative material in the past. However, I agree with previous posts that point out reasons it won't be him.

    Elfman has deep understanding of Fantasy and Myth that no other composer so far has exhibited. He has shown the intimate knowledge of Myth that Tolkien himself brought to LOTR. In my mind this pushes him to nearly the top of list.

    Trevor Jones has score many fantasy type films and is very good with the kind of material, (Merlin, Excalibur, Dark City, Dark Crystal).

    Jerry Goldsmith is so good that he can score anything. My only quibble is that his polymorphic nature makes him a jack of all Trades, but not really devoted to any.

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    posted 09-27-1999 11:56 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm sure this post would fit in better if I'd have done it earlier.. but I wanted to share my feelings on wether or not Elfman did the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I think the point has already been made how versatile he is, so I'm not going to preach that.. nor am I going to try and say that it's wrong to associate a composer with a specific style. In Elfman's case.. I would be proud to specify one characteristic I've seen in all of his work, and why that would make him perfect for LOTR. Every single score he's done has fit the movie like a glove, in that it stimulates the imagination.. and brings your mind even deeper into the story. The reason he would be perfect for the role, is the LOTR trilogy is obviously for people who have a very vivid imagination, and having Elfman score it would make the experience that much more intense.

    -Dawk

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    posted 10-03-1999 09:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Took the words right out of my mouth...

    SFT

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