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    Topic:   How do people react when...

     HAL 9000
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    you tell them you listen to film scores?

    I get all kinds of responses. First is "you mean like "Sleepless in Seattle?" or some other song driven soundtrack. Then I explain without trying to display too much insult that I listen to the SCORE of the film. Then it can go anywhere from there. Some simply say, "Oh... that's nice". Others, to my surprise, have actually shown some genuine curiosity and others still, to my utter amazement, actually own a handful of soundtracks. One guy I know completely surprised me by enthusiastically declaring that he was big fan of Danny Elfman. On the other extreme, my college roomate used to always persecute me for listening to that "opera" music, as he called it and then would make a fuax cymbal crash sound effect... "Tsssssh!". He still does it to this day.

    But whatever the case it usually takes some explanation whenever the question of my taste in music comes up.

    For the record, I always make clear that I'm flexible in my interests as I tell them that I have large amounts of jazz (big fan of Pat Metheny), soul/R&B, and classical in my music stash.

    What do you guys get from people?

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    posted 09-07-1999 08:57 AM PT (US)     

     Steve Hughes
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    It's usually quite a positive reaction (to my face, anyway). Again, people usually know a few composers and sometimes actually run off a few scores that they enjoyed.

    I then back it up by saying "I have got some pop music ones, too". But I am proud to be an avid film music follower. I like to tell people how many I've got (almost 1,500) just to see their reaction.

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    posted 09-07-1999 09:54 AM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    Iīm sorry to say this, but most people in Denmark are complete idiots.
    Usualy Iīll get a response like this: "Filmscores?! How can you listen to that? Itīs just something in a movie...anyone can write it."

    And when people react that way, I donīt even want to bother educating them a little about the subject.
    Fortunately, once in a while you do meet people who are more or less interested in filmscores. Actually, there was once a TV-show here in Denmark called something like "Score Quiz". It was a show where people had to answer all sorts of REALLY hard questions about composers, films and all that. It was really cool. But I guess it didīnt get many viewers, so they shut it down after about two monts.

    And I kwow exactly what you mean HAL 9000. Itīs like:

    "Hey, so you must have Wild Wild West right! Will Smith is awsome!"....Tsssssh!

    SFT

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    posted 09-07-1999 11:59 AM PT (US)     

     TimT
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    When I say I like film scores, the immediet response is "What the heck is that?". Then I explain it a little bit, and they say "Oh you mean like Superman?" (Everyone always mentions Superman!). And they go on to say that they never even notice music in movies. And that it's cool or interesting that I buy those kinds of CDs (It's obvious they don't really mean it).
    Just so I don't look like a complete wierdo in the eyes of the listener (I can always sense it by their long pauses in comments and face expressions), I'll say that I listen to other stuff too, like whatever is popular with other people around my age (rap/r&b/pop etc.)

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    posted 09-07-1999 12:12 PM PT (US)     

     Sean Bires
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    I was able to get a friend of mine into film scores... he now buys Danny Elfman's stuff (Nightmare before christmas, Mission Impossible, etc.)

    Usually, when I say I listen to movie soundtracks, I have to explain that it's not the kind with "songs" from "bands" in it, I have to mention that it's orchestral (or synthesizer) work from a composer used in the film. Usually when I say that, people will think it's an opportunity to show off one of their wierd music tastes ("I collect Nintendo Music!", they'd say, and then show off a music track from a Squaresoft game).

    If film scores appear too wierd or "uncool" to someone, I can always even it out by mentioning that I listen to the Nine Inch Nails (actually, it's just a one-man name).

    I usually don't get offended or get offensive by talking about music tastes, unless somebody mentions their favorite band is "Limp Bizkit" or "Kid Rock" (you know what the world needs more of is crappy white rappers).

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    posted 09-07-1999 02:17 PM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Frankly, I dont give a sh*t what people think about my love of film scores and the film medium in general.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 09-07-1999 03:30 PM PT (US)     

     Jonathan
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    I'm with you Dan . . . I don't bring it up, and other folks usually don't mention it. Once in a while, people who know about my music background (two degrees) will ask me about something they heard in a movie. Usually it goes something like this:

    "What was that music playing during that great scene in Saving Private Ryan?"

    "Well, that was written especially for the movie by a composer named John Williams. He also wrote the music from Star Wars."

    "Oh, cool. Has he done anything else?"

    (Groan) "Um, yeah . . . a few things. Ever heard of a little movie called JAWS?"

    "Yeah."

    "He wrote that theme -- (me singing) bah dum ... bah dum ... bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ..."

    "Oh, I never thought about anybody writing that stuff."

    (Groan again) "Somebody has to."

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    posted 09-07-1999 03:53 PM PT (US)     

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    When I tell people they will say something like "Oh" and then it ends right there. My friends just say I listen to soundtracks.

    --Crono/Kyp
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    posted 09-07-1999 04:02 PM PT (US)     

     Dan Brecher
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    Hahaha, Crono, I get ya on that one friend.

    "This is Dan.......he listens to soundtracks"....ugh

    I like educating people on scores if they wish to be educated.

    Dan (UK)

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    posted 09-07-1999 05:20 PM PT (US)     

     Matthew
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    Usually, the people I come in contact with either don't have a clue as to what a film score is,and I have to explain it to them. Or the others who know to a point what a score is and begin to bash it right away.And we get into a debate about what I find so appealing about scores.Something I have also found is that it is very difficult to turn someone on to scores.You play them some score,usually I try for something big and loud.Like a Jerry Goldsmith action score.To try to wet their appetite,in the remote chance that they may find it interesting.I have yet to successfully turn someone into a film score fan.But I will continue to try.Most of the people will listen,but immediately forget about what they just heard,or say something like"I don't get it".I suppose most people just don't have an ear for great music.I was introduced to film scores at a young age,so slowly throughout my childhood I became more and more interested in film music.Now in my 20's I consider myself a film score addict.I find myself buying at least two scores a week.I'm sure everyone here has a similar story in how they got into scores.It is usually that one special score that gets someone into scores.Ones like STAR WARS,STAR TREK and BACK TO THE FUTURE that ingnite someones interest in that type of music.So I suppose most people can't be persuaded into liking film music,they will either never like it or it will be that one special score that got their blood pumping or touched their heart in some way that will hook them on scores.Hopefully more people will realize that scores are real music and not just something to fill the background of a movie.Although part of me likes the fact that i'm in a small community of people that share one thing in common,our love for film scores.


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    posted 09-07-1999 06:48 PM PT (US)     

     Norman McCay
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    First off to Peter--hope this post is appropriate not to warrant an editing.

    A short reply--
    When I brought it up with my art professor over the summer, it was "oh you mean like John Williams?" Yes, at first, I thought that's all he knew. But he went on to prove me wrong, and that he knew A LOT about the genre and I was quite impressed. However, that's a very very rare occasion. Very rare.

    The long reply--
    Well, maybe this is one subject that differs me from everyone else here. It would seem that whenever the discussion would come up about film music with my fellow "unmusical" (excuse the term) pals, I would get insulted and bashed with criticism about how I could listen to that crap, or others would give me the run-around on how Superman is so great and stuff.

    I pride my interest in film music and I don't give a rat's @$$ about what others think of it. (GO DAN!!) Sure, I enjoy all other sorts of music genres, but in the end, there's really no contest if I had to pick one kind of music to listen to. There are some people out there who enjoy all forms of music, and there are others like me, who enjoys everything, but deep down inside, I really only like other genres because I have to "fit in."

    I could care less about the Ricky Martins or the Puff Daddys or the Britney Spears or the Backstreet Boys or whatever the latest trend is in mainstream music. I listen to what's good. Period. And it so happens that nearly all the stuff I like IS film music. If the Goo Goo Dolls happens to have a good song, sure, I will give it a try. But nobody out there is rushing out to the stores when John Williams scores another memorable theme for the ages (aside from The Phantom Menace, and seriously, how many pure SW Fans really enjoy John William's music had he not scored Star Wars?). Is there some kind of double standard here? I think that's just BS. These mainstream people really tick me off. When the film music topic comes up, I avoid bringing up John Williams because he's so well-known for Star Wars, so I jump to Hans Zimmer or Jerry Goldsmith. I want to avoid this "oh, the Star Wars/Superman guy!!" crap. Once Zimmer's name is mentioned, the conversation ends pretty fast, like Crono's discussions. I mean, I appreciate it when some people ask which movies Zimmer has done and sincerely want to know more, but those who don't just basically see film music as music for nerds or freaks or the senile elderly.

    Here I will bring up Titanic. Did James Horner enjoy a boost in sales for Deep Impact? Or Mighty Joe Young? Heck no. Titanic fans just wanted to hold something in their hands that was part of Titanic. Now do any of you know anyone who bought the Titanic score that STILL listen to it frequently AND are NOT avid film music fans?? I don't believe so. The bottom line. People are damn conformists.

    I drifted off the topic a little bit, but I felt like saying my piece, that's all.

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    posted 09-07-1999 07:57 PM PT (US)     

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    It's ok Norman, just let it all out. That's why we're here.

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    posted 09-07-1999 09:36 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Norman-
    Actually, I know two people who are not avid film music fans who still listen to Titanic frequently.

    On topic-
    I used to have to explain it to people like many others here have, but I've grown so bored with it, I now just tell people I listen to classical. Of course, then they always get the impression that I frequent music like Handel or Haydn, and they have no familiarity at all with the stirring music of Saint-Saens, Mussorgsky, Stravinsky, etc. Come to think of it, it usually depends on who's asking as to what and how much I will tell them. If it's a person I know is intelligent and open-minded, even if they are ignorant to scores, I will usually explain it to them, and they respond with sincere curiosity. If it's your average high-schooler (i.e. narrow-minded conformist) then I just tell them classical and let them rant on me about it. I never balance it out by saying I listen to some other stuff, because I don't.

    James

    P.S. I have successfully made converts out of two of my friends, both of whom are heavy metal fans. For one it was "Aliens" that did it. For the other it was Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. The first is now an avid action-score fiend, and the second actually likes more emotional scores better.

    P.P.S. "Converts"? We've turned into film score evangelists.

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    posted 09-07-1999 10:48 PM PT (US)     

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    You mean all of you people listen to "soundtracks" what a bunch of @#$%ing nerds.

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    posted 09-08-1999 05:31 AM PT (US)     

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    Audacity, I agree. What a bunch of nerds. I mean, all you guys listen to are film scores? Geesh. I thought you guys were cool. Hmph!

    Jeron

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    posted 09-08-1999 05:57 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, USUALLY when someone asks me, I tell them and they just sit there and stare at something for a second and then start talking to someone else. Or if they hear one of my CDs they'll just say; "oh....classical?".

    However, because I'm not a film score fan, I'm just a fan of scores altogether (i.e. movie scores, video games scores, television scores) I get the occasional "Really?" in a not disappointed, but surprised tone, but I'm never sure if their impressed, surprised, or just don't know what I'm talking about.
    I usually think that someone will like at least one of my CD's, may it be the score to Sonic Aventure (which is basically a rock n' roll score), the Zelda arranged album (which sounds like classical music), the score to Bugs Bunny cartoons, the score to Back to the Future, the score to the Great Mouse Detective or whatever. I keep a good variety, yet most people seem very uninterested in the long run.

    However, I have always found it interesting that my brother likes listening to my CDs with me. He is in no way a score fan. But he likes the same movies, TV shows and video games as I do, and usually appreciates the music for all of them. We often listen to my CDs together (He was more excited than me when I bought the Great Mouse Detective-?!). But my brother is the ONLY person I know who will listen to any of my score CDs and actually enjoy it as much as it do. Oh well.


    Cenzo

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    posted 09-08-1999 04:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Man am I glad to have respectful friends. Sometime one of my friend would name a movie and tries to see if I would know the composer of that movie.
    I always win.
    When I play a film score while driving with my friends, I would tries to select materials that would fit the mood of the moment or just appeal directly to their style of music. Con Air, for example is an industrial style score and good for driving. It is perfect. Girls, in my experiences, tends to lean toward the more soft, easy listening, emotional scores, (i.e. I'll Do Anything, Regarding Henry, As Good As It Gets

    HD

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    posted 09-08-1999 06:58 PM PT (US)     

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    I was talking to a guy at work who is about 19 I think. He really loves The Matrix, and he surprised me by saying that he has the score cd and thinks it's "awesome." So I told him, "well, if you like that, you might like The Rock." He replied, "I heard that one. Didn't like it." Wow..I've never heard of anyone not liking that one! I guess he's not a 'score fan.' He just likes the Matrix score because he loves the movie. I also know this other guy--picture this guy: he dresses in all black, has long, straight hair that he dyes black, and he is tall and thin. He has sort of a Gothic style. He has his own rock group, listens to Nine Inch Nails, Depeche Mode, U2, Miles Davis, Otis Redding, Beethoven *and* film scores (now that's a variety!). Well, I was actually impressed that he listens to scores because he doesn't seem like the type. After longer conversations, I find out that he actually only buys Danny Elfman scores because he likes the dark sound but also 'slow and depressing.' He said that Elfman's Black Beauty score sounded weird which I found unbelievable! I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, say that he didn't listen to it enough, and needs to pay more attention to it. Some people are strange. I know about 5 people that actually like scores (Mr. Darkness included), and since they are all intelligent, I believe that intelligence is definitely a factor as to whether or not someone will like scores. But I'm still the only person I know of that actually buys scores fairly regularly. Hmm, that must make me a genius! WE ALL ARE!!

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    posted 09-10-1999 01:13 AM PT (US)     

     SFT
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    Michel,

    Yeah youīre right...

    ALL SCORE-FANS ARE BRILLIANT!!!

    And actually, I donīt like The Rock either.
    But Danny Elfmanīs Black Beauty is simply the third best score ever written, after Batman and Edward Scissorhands

    SFT

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    posted 09-10-1999 02:53 AM PT (US)     

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    ...in the world of SFT...

    hehe I, too.... am also a genius. IQ 140, I'm so smart ummmm... nevermind. hehe

    ~Jeron

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    posted 09-10-1999 05:48 AM PT (US)     

     HAL 9000
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    I'm glad this thread has taken off. The thing about "Mr. Darkness" is cool. I think I've seen this guy or maybe one of his clones.

    I've been collecting for a long time and people who know me have come to accept it as part of my identity. What I didn't mention in the first post was how my interest in film scores has influenced quite a few people around me. I've since gotten my sister, my wife and a few friends to become more aware that there are gifted people who actually sit down and write this music instead of it just happening on its own. Before my Father-in-law died a few years ago I got him into scores. Goldsmith was his favorite... he was absolutely in love with Medicine Man (Speaking of Goldsmith, he used to say, "this is NOT the music of a 65 year old") and The Russia House. After he passed I was given his record collection and I came to find that he had many scores in it.

    I think that if people see that you are serious about this art form then they may start to respect it more and maybe even test the waters for themselves. Just yesterday I was telling a friend of mine to pay special attention to the music when she went to see The 13th Warrior (she digs Antonio Benderas). Who knows, maybe a new fim music lover will be born.

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    posted 09-10-1999 07:05 AM PT (US)     

     Al
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    Whenever I am with my movie going friends, when Jerry Goldsmith shows up in the credits it is tradition to cheer. When the end credits of the Mummy revealed his name, we burst into applause and yelled," Yeah! Jerry!"

    If you want to have the world of film music appeal to others, you need to make it fun.

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    posted 09-11-1999 10:19 AM PT (US)     

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    I work in the music department at a local Barnes and Noble (great because of the discount, lol!) And I must say I feel isolated and alone. Most of the employees there only listen to indymusic and even shy away from the standard MTV crap. At least I can give them that much, hehe. I've even had an employee tell me that the music is just plain uncreative garbage. Then I tell him picture scoring a 100+ piece orchestra to a band of about 5 instruments and I see a slightly different expression. But I can't say that I only listen to soundtracks. In fact...I've got Greenday, Clannad, Billy Joel, Elton John and Garbage in my changer right now. Unfortunately, because so many people discredit soundtracks as crap everybody still says "Hey, that's the soundtrack guy" Ahh well.
    In any case. Once I explain alittle but about what the music is all about I get some eyebrows raised. I once did a speach about it in my public speaking class. I presented the Nazi morotcycle chace scene fron INDY III by playing the track "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra," then I played the entire scene in full through the VCR. And for most of the audience reaction it was like looking at the movie from a whole different perspective. Hopefuly, with the newest digital technology on both DVD and LD people can be better educated in film music through Isolated scores and such.

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    posted 09-13-1999 06:37 PM PT (US)     

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    I have to say that I am into enough weird stuff that listening to Scores is one of the most normal things I do.

    My family have no problem calling me a freak of nature when I blast them with a little Caine Mutiny or The Shadow, so I don't really care what anyone else thinks.

    Most of the people I know don't really listen to music anyway; they just use it as an underscore for their lives.

    They don't feel it; it just washes over them like waves. So if they don't "Get It" I remain blissfully undisturbed.

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    posted 09-26-1999 09:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Hi,
    thought might as well give my two cents.
    Mostly peoply confuse movie music with the compilation song albums that these dumb studios just love to put out. After some explanation, I usually get surprised or favorable responses. Then again if anyone would piss me off I'd just use them to practice my martial arts skills .

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    posted 09-27-1999 10:24 AM PT (US)     
     

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