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    Topic:   1999 Oscar Nominees?

     Will
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    I know it is still early, but who do you think will be nominated for the Academy Award for best score? Some that already have in mind are:

    1. John Williams (The Phantom Menace)
    2. Jerry Goldsmith (The Mummy)
    3. Mark Mancina (Tarzan)

    Who do you have in mind?

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    posted 08-25-1999 08:38 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    As awesome as The Mummy was, I doubt it will be considered for the Academy Awards. I do think it's early to be thinking about this... Goldsmith still has two scores coming, and other greats from various composers are on their way as well. I'm a bit apprehensive about Phantom Menace being considered, too. I mean... yeah, it's Star Wars. It's John Williams... but it's NOT Schindler's List. Let's be realistic... and let's wait and see what else comes out this year!

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    posted 08-25-1999 10:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Have faith. "Star Wars" won Best Original Score in '77. I don't know why it couldn't win again. Especially due to the fact that (in my opinion) there hasn't been any scores of super-great magnitude this year. Although, we need to remember that there's only ONE score category this year. Yeah, I know. What a bunch of crap

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    posted 08-25-1999 10:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Maybe THE 13th WARRIOR will be considered by the academy.It is a truly epic score, that I think is at least worthy of a nomination.It is certainly Goldsmith's best this year so far.Another possible contender might be TARZAN by Mark Mancina.

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    posted 08-26-1999 12:26 AM PT (US)     

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    October Sky
    Tarzan
    Phantom Menace and Mummy will not be up(TPM maybe, but highly unlikely. Face it, it isnt an oscar-worthy score)
    Besides, it's still too soon.

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    posted 08-26-1999 12:42 AM PT (US)     

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    I believe that The Phantom Menace WILL more than likely be nominated and if it is, I feel it has a VERY good chance of winning. You have to remember that, although different than Williams other SW scores and even slightly inferior, it is still head and shoulders above what most other composers can put together.

    Sorry everyone, but 13th Warrior doesnt have a chance of even being nominated. First off, the movie and score was actually made last year, and numerous memebers of the academy have probobly seen it at some point or another and also heard the score...its long gone from their memory. Second, as we all know, the academy isnt to nice to Goldsmith, and nominating a score for a movie that is sure to do poorly is not likely in the least.

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    posted 08-26-1999 07:21 AM PT (US)     

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    I will reiterate what I said back in March, the day after last year's Academy Awards -- next year, John Williams will be standing at the podium receiving the award for best score for STAR WARS: THE PHANTOM MENACE. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, and it has nothing to do with my personal opinions about the quality of the score. Call it the TITANIC effect, if you want . . .

    1. TPM was the movie on everybody's mind this year.

    2. TPM will be the biggest money earner of the year.

    3. The score from the movie will win.

    If I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat. (If I have one.)

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    posted 08-26-1999 07:50 AM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    I still think is stoooopid discussing this at this point in time. It's too early to be making *any* assumptions.

    Jeron

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    posted 08-26-1999 09:12 AM PT (US)     

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    Stoooopid? I don't think so. If we waited until December to start talking about what was so great during the past year, we would be doing exactly what the Academy does, and in doing so, we'd forget some of the best scores from earlier in the year. Unlike the Academy, let's start up (or keep going) a conversation about the best scores during the entire year. That way, especially here on the message boards where our discussions are documented, we can look back at what we were talking about back in August. Perhaps by December, we'd have forgotten about Michael Kamen's score for Iron Giant? I hope not. In my opinion, keep discussin!

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    posted 08-26-1999 09:53 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh, for gods sake people! Are you blind?
    When Williams is nominated for an Acadamy Award (wich he WILL be for TPM) there is allways a 85 percent chance of him winning. Like it or not, Williams is the acadamyīs little "Golden Boy".

    I say: TIME FOR DANNY ELFMAN TO WIN!!!

    Or at least Goldsmith....but not for The 13th Warrior.

    SFT


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    posted 08-26-1999 10:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Okay, okay... when I made my "stoooopid" comment, I did that out of jest. I do get a little sparred by those who have tunnel vision. I'm not saying any of you are, but giving Phantom Menace an automatic #1 and sure shot win is a little presumptuous. I love TPM, it's a great score... but I don't listen to it every day. In fact, it hasn't been in my player for about a month now... why? Because other than the DOTF and supporting themes, everything in between is just kind of blah. It's good music, but nothing I go around humming ('cept DOTF and Anakin's Theme).

    The fact that I don't listen to the cd may be in part because of the music on Sony's release. I've heard the unreleased music, and it's brilliant - but until I can hear it all together (or at least have a Disc 2), I'm not sure that I'll be completely convinced.

    On to the Goldsmith topic... I think he deserves an Oscar. The stooopid Academy, well - they *are* narrow minded if you ask me. I still question the decisions made last year... and the year before that.

    SFT - As much as I would like Goldsmith to win, if Elfman walked away with an Oscar, I'd be delighted. It would be entertaining to see Danny say all of two words to the audience! (I'm sure he'd say more).

    Peter - When will weekly online chats be back?

    Jeron

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    posted 08-26-1999 11:24 AM PT (US)     

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    I really want to hear what the end results of Sleepy Hollow sound like. I mean, every time Tim Burton and Danny Elfman combine, it just works. And since Danny Elfman has been nominated a whole lot, I'm hoping that if Sleepy Hollow is good, that he will get nominated, since he rules and all.
    Also, we're forgeting the fact that there are other movies which are still months away, most of which are winter movies hoping to clean up on the golden guy. Another hope for me is the latest Steven King conversion, this one being The Green Mile. From what I've heard it's going to be very, very good. And since Thomas Newman had been nominated a whole lot and he hasn't won anything yet (to my knowledge) I hope that he gets the honors he deserves.
    Most unfortunate to me is that James Horner hasn't come out with almost anything of importance this year, which kind of angers me considering his amazing track record. Who knows, maybe something will come along.
    In the end, though, it's anyone's guess, considering that we're only halfway through the year and some of these movies aren't even done yet. Who knows: by the time March comes around all the scores could be forgotten and I could be eating my words. It's up for the score-gods to decide .

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    posted 08-26-1999 05:58 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, to throw my gauntlet down and join the fray....

    If any of you know, The Phantom Menace revived my movie music interest. Prior to the score, I had randomly picked up soundtracks and didn't expose myself to the wider world of film music. But after seeing the movie and hearing the score, I began my "John Williams" surge and eventually went on to enjoy other great scores by other great composers. If I were a judge, I would give the Oscar nod to TPM just for redeeming my interest in this genre of music. Aside from its effects, I honestly believe it contains the most entertaining and the most varied 74 minutes of film music I have heard all year. Hey, it's the only score this year to which I can follow along perfectly (There has only been two before TPM, The Rock and Braveheart)!

    I do agree to the extent that the Academy does tend to favor the "Golden Boy" like SFT had mentioned....but it is also unfortunate that great scores like Good Will Hunting by Elfman and Goldsmith's LA Confidential gets snubbed by this obligatory 'we must vote Titanic in every category!' fever. What I am saying is, the Academy shouldn't feel "obligated" to give an Oscar to The Phantom Menace only because it's Star Wars....but judge it for its own merit.

    To conclude, here are my guesses for the nominations:

    The Phantom Menace
    The Mummy
    Tarzan
    The Matrix (a BIG maybe)
    Sleepy Hollow or 13th Warrior

    Remember, these are GUESSES!! It's not my opinion of what's better or not, seeing how I haven't even heard of some of these!

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    posted 08-26-1999 06:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Firstly, Tarzan is a Disney score, and therefore it has a 100% chance of getting nominated. Having not heard Tarzan extensively, I can't say whether I agree or disagree. (I know, I hate sounding so much like a politician, too.) So far, despite all the great stuff we've gotten, the two scores so far this year which I believe deserve nomination are The Matrix and TPM. (I haven't heard 13th Warrior.) I'm much looking forward to Sleepy Hollow. I'm REALLY looking forward to End Of Days, and I'd LOVE to see John Debney nominated! So much to look forward to.

    James
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    posted 08-26-1999 07:20 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    I just remembered... John Williams still has Angela's Ashes due in December, conveniently just in time for the Oscars...

    James

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    posted 08-26-1999 07:28 PM PT (US)     

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    posted 08-26-1999 09:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, this is going to be a hard thing to discern, but the truth is that there are going to be a lot of awards missed by certain scores. Too often a score's worth is measured in oscar calibre. Star Wars is my personal pick and I appreciate every side of argument presented here. I wholeheartedly agree that Goldsmith should win again soon for something- HE SHOULD'VE WON FOR L.A. CONFIDENTIAL. But I have a suggestion: if the Oscars are such a popularity contest of peers, and criterion for judgment of excellence with BMI, ASCAP, or other has to do mainly with what certain standards, than why shouldn't we have some say?

    My proposal is this. There should some organized "Score Enthusiast based" awards situation. The people who truly appreciate this music is us. And if we want to see people recognized for it, perhaps that's something we should do for these people. It would be amazing, that, for the first time ever if, a website could arrange their own awards ceremony complete with Web and cable coverage, contest promotion, etc. The 2000 Moviemusic.com awards!!! Consider it. It might be a project worth the hassle of it's components and event handling.

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    posted 08-27-1999 01:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Widescreen's idea sounds great, actually.

    How can you predict what will win Best Score at the Oscars? Take the most popular one and there you go. It doesn't matter if it was good or bad... if it is popular, or it came from a very popular film, that one's the winner. The Oscars is a popularity contest.

    So far, I'm predicting "The Phantom Menace".

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    posted 08-27-1999 05:37 PM PT (US)     

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    First off my prediction is The Phantom Menace and so far it is well deserved. I will state my reasons later in this reply.

    Now, I will reply to the "GOLDEN BOY" comment and popularity contest. Oscars are not a popularity contest. Last year we had two people that I would not consider popular win for their scores. The year before, it was James Horner and his score was decent and fit the movie well. It was his first oscar. I do not see how John Williams is the "GOLDEN BOY" He has not won the oscar this whole decade except for Schindlers List and that was totally deserved. if anyone is the "GOLDEN BOY", it would be Alan Menken and if you think the Academy favors John Williams scores, it's because they are darn good.

    So far I do not believe any of Jerry Goldsmiths scores are going to be nominated. It's not because the movies they are scored for. Yes they are huge and adrenaline pumping. But, do they fit the movie as well as other scores do. In every cue of The 13th Warrior, one of the main themes is playing. In Phantom Menace however, John Williams writes material that fits right with the movie. He gives hints of the themes and then at the right moment in a film, he unleashes them to full capacity. The Phantom Menace is a powerful score and every cue fits perfect to what is on the screen. It is definitely Oscar worthy and is not just because it is the highest grossing movie of the summer.

    Other nominations could be: Red Violin, Sixth Sense, Tarzan, The Iron Giant, and many more movies that are coming out soon.

    Nevertheless John Williams deserves this Oscar for what a great job he has done!

    Aaron

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    posted 08-29-1999 06:18 PM PT (US)     

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    Aaron, and having one of the main themes playing in The 13th Warrior is a bad thing? Not in my opinion. You may have seen the movie. You may have not. However, Jerry's score fit perfectly and helped elevate the excitement of that film more than Williams' rather uneventful score for TPM. Do I think Phantom Menace has a good chance of winning? Yes, but I would rather see Jerry win for his 'brainless' entertaining theme-a-minute score. Why? After seeing The 13th Warrior, I walked out to Goldsmith's score ready to take on the world. After The Phantom Menace, I just left.

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    posted 08-30-1999 01:59 PM PT (US)     

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    I agree with everyone who said it's way too early. I must confess That I really stopped caring about the oscars long ago (the Academy is too fickle and politically influenced for me to take these things seriously) but since I'm here with my film score buds I'll give it a shot anyway. There is one constant in the universe when it come to the score nominess. John Williams will be nominated for something. I'll go with Angela's Ashes. Phantom Menace may get a nod just because but doesn't stand a chance of winning. Of all the Star Wars scores it is the least Academy friendly.

    Goldsmith, (who I think should be a 7-time winner by now: Planet of the Apes, Patton, Chinatown, The Omen, Star Trek: TMP, Under Fire, Basic Instinct,) will be overlooked again. His movies are not the type that fits the Academy profile. Maybe Reindeer Games will give him something to break through with.

    I don't see any clear choices for the nominees at this stage. But I'd love to see Message in a Bottle get a notice as well as 13th Warrior. As for Tarzan, since they've combined the musicals with the scores again this year anything is possible. Ask me again in December.

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    posted 08-30-1999 03:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Iīm sorry folks, Williams is not going to win for TPM.
    He WILL get nominated, but he wonīt win.

    And, I agree that Williams work is darn good, but certainly not to the extent that he deserves to get a nomination every year...if The Acadamy Awards isīnt a populariry contest, then Danny Elfman should have won a LOOOOONG time ago. I hope he does for Sleepy Hollow, but I am afraid it will take a miracle. Letīs face it....The Acadamy doesīnt really like him all that much, dispite the fact that he is the best composer ever (!)

    SFT

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    posted 08-31-1999 05:27 AM PT (US)     

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    You guys keep debating the quality of the music in the score, as if that has some bearing on who will win the Academy Award. It doesn't. It does have some bearing on which score gets NOMINATED, for that is done by people who actually work in the individual fields (i.e., actors nominate actors, directors nominate directors, composers nominate composers, etc.)

    But, once the nominations are selected, the ballots with the nominations get mailed out to EVERY member of the Academy. Thus, we have music awards getting voted on by amateurs (or worse), most of whom wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Elfman score and a Goldsmith score if their lives depended on it.

    So, they revert to the same behavior we all use when we are voting on Election Day and we get down to categories like Tax Assessor, Comptroller, Probate Judge, etc. If we recognize a name we've heard before, we choose it -- if not, we guess.

    That is why I predict that every one of those 4,000 or so Academy members will look at their ballots and think "Hmmm, best score? Oh, there's John Williams and STAR WARS . . . I'll vote for that!"

    That's my assessment of what happens. Let me know if you think I'm wrong.

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    posted 08-31-1999 09:41 AM PT (US)     

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    I believe Jonathan took the words out of my mouth, but I feel like I should get this out anyway....

    But to think of it now, it's not really that John Williams is Mr. Popular, but rather because he makes great scores to great movies. It's simple as that. Bad movies with terrific scores NEVER get nominated.

    It's really not Elfman's fault that he doesn't win any Oscars, but he definitely should have for Good Will Hunting....one of the only movies that he composed that was so critically acclaimed. Edward Scisscorhands, Batman, A Civil Action....these movies just don't have the same kind of caliber like Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, or E.T. Think of it this way, most Academy members remember great movies, but not necessarily great scores. Now I am not too sure about how the Academy works (because they may actually have a specific board of members who only pay attention to the music, anyone feel free to inform me of otherwise), but the category for Best Original Score isn't the top category that everyone tunes in for....and Jonathan was saying something along those lines....but it's not exactly a popularity contest, but more like a recognition contest. Jonathan's voting ballot analogy was pretty good.

    I can definitely think of some great scores to movies that were absolutely horrendous. Dragonheart, Broken Arrow comes to mind. Not having seen Toys, I still believe the score is the best score ever to a movie that I have never seen or refuse to see. The point is, these great scores weren't nominated (but then again, action scores, perhaps with comedy scores, NEVER get nominated. There's that word again.)

    In conclusion, to win the Oscars this year, the winning composer's movie better be darn good that people praise about the movie, and eventually the score (similar to Horner with Titanic, how else would anyone explain the gargantuan sales of the soundtrack?), and in the end maybe the composer will finally achieve the fame that he deserves (again Horner comes to mind, seeing how Deep Impact actually advertised his name during commericals to try to hook Titanic-like audiences).

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    posted 08-31-1999 09:48 AM PT (US)     

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    I like what you guys are saying. I wonder if anyone with any power has really looked at the whole Academy process and thought that something was wrong. Whether it's a popularity contest, a familiarity factor, or simply an image thing for the Academy the fact remains that the system is deeply flawed. How else could the best picture not also have the best director (as was the case last year when Sheakspeare in Love won over Saving Private Ryan) or when a best picture nominee doesn't get a nom for its director (Driving Miss Daisy).

    Like I said before, the whole thing is really ridiculous and the most comical and ill imagined category is ususally the score category. Remember Debbie Allen's dufus dance numbers that represented the best scores at last years program?

    If there was any merit to the thing the whole history of the awards would be radically revised. I'd like to pose a new question. Which score award do you think really means anything? And, to put the Oscars in perspective, I'll say that I think the Globes are marginally better than the Oscar and that the Grammy is absolutely worthless as a measure of artistic achievement.

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    posted 08-31-1999 12:49 PM PT (US)     

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    I wouldīnt exactly say that Batman or Edward Scossorhands are not as good as Schindlers List or E.T.
    I definately donīt think so. The only reason why Burton and Elfman never win anything is because they are somewhat "off-center" compared to the usual Hollywood flicks, wich they are far superior to.
    And frankely, I really donīt think Williams should even get nominated for TPM. I just donīt think itīs such a great masterpiece as some of you think. Also, he won for the original Star Wars and that is reason enough for The Acadamy NOT to let him win for this one. Just like Empire and Jedi.

    SFT

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    posted 08-31-1999 12:55 PM PT (US)     

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    Hal, what's your e-mail address? I can't obtain it via your profile. I'd like to ask you a question - so if you'd rather contact me, my e-mail address is avenger@home.com, aolim is defiant2nx, and icq is 1911359.

    Jeron

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    posted 08-31-1999 12:56 PM PT (US)     

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    Nominees for 1999 will look something like this...since we only get one category for scores again...

    The Green Mile (Thomas Newman)

    The Hurricane [formerly The Hurricane & Lazarus] (Chris Young)...I visited the scoring session and it will blow people away with its power and Oscar buzz is brewing ((BIG TIME!!)) on Denzel Washington & the picture.

    Tarzan (Mark Mancina) [I think Iron Giant derseves the nod more]

    Sleepy Hollow (Danny Elfman)

    Phantom Menace (John Williams)

    My prediction is that Thomas Newman will win for Green Mile and the picture will take away the top prize. Pretty bold predicting, I know but the word on the film is very HOT at the moment.

    I also this Gabriel Yared has a chance with The Talented Mr Ripley as he is reteaming with fellow winner Anthony Mingella (English Patient)

    Sadly, I think this may not be a Goldsmith nominated year

    Who knows????


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    posted 09-02-1999 12:54 PM PT (US)     

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    If Newman's score for Green Mile is half as good as his score for Shawshank was, he should get it. Biggest academt travesty i've ever seen was giving best score to Lion King(a great score, but not as good) instead of Shawshank. Good predictions ScoreLogueVance, though i say again that i doubt TPM will be up, im rooting for October Sky but since that came out in febuary, and knowing how shorth the academy's memory is..... oh well.

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    posted 09-02-1999 01:09 PM PT (US)     

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    I doubt Elfman will get nominated for Sleepy Hollow.
    First of all, he isīnt very popular with The Acadamy.
    Second, although he did get nominated for Men In Black and Good Will Hunting, letīs remember that this is a Burton film, and that Burton rarely has gained any respect from The Acadamy for any of his movies. In that sence it is certainly correct that only movies of the right "caliber" (in the words of Norman) in The Acadamyīs eyes, will ever get a nomination for Best Score.

    Williams will probaly gain a nomination for TPM, but as I said, he will not win.

    And as for Tarzan, being a Disney score it will probably get nominated and it certainly has a pretty good chance of winning in my opinion.

    Green Mile...I donīt know. I havenīt heard it yet....is it good???

    In any case, there is a long time until The Acadamy Awards are handed out. So letīs not give up hope.
    Elfman still has "Anywhere But Here" in the works.
    And there are plenty of other scores on the way.

    SFT

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    posted 09-03-1999 02:48 AM PT (US)     

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    In reply to Matt's post--

    I could swear Il Postino also won that year, was it when they had more than one cateorgy though?

    But nevertheless, I feel that Forrest Gump by Alan Silvestri was the one that got snubbed. Sure, Newman's Shawshank was awesome (too bad the soundtrack itself was out of order and the classic songs inserted didn't' sound as good as they did in the movie), but it didn't have as much variety as Gump and the Lion King score was rather repetitive. I have not heard the score to Il Postino, but I did hear clips of it during the Academy Promos and it sounded pretty promising.

    Also, does anyone know of a good site where I can find a list of Past Academy Award Winners for Best Original Scores? Thanks.

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    posted 09-03-1999 09:17 AM PT (US)     

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    If you're looking for a good history of academy awards won for scores, check out the imdb and look up the academy awards in their index. They'll have everything you could possibly hope for and more. www.imdb.com
    Also, Il Postino's score won in '96, which was the year it beat out two other scores which were definitely more worthy: Braveheart and Apollo 13.

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    posted 09-03-1999 11:13 AM PT (US)     

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    Il Postino won a year later, beating out Braveheart(also a travesty, il postino only won because the movie wasnt going to. It was a good score but it wasnt as good as Braveheart). I used this fact to guess correctly that Life is Beautiful would win best score last year.
    Forrest Gump score was good, but it was no Shawshank. Also, the tracks on the CD are in order, even the songs were in the right place. Not sure why you think otherwise, but ive seen the movie and listened to the score recently enough to make the comparison.
    And as Ted said, check the imdb academy listings, find any award given to any movie, or person. handy place.

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    posted 09-03-1999 03:07 PM PT (US)     

     Norman McCay
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    Matt,

    If you listen carefully, the "If I didn't care" song appeared in the very beginning of the movie, but it's not the first song of the soundtrack. That's one of the most obvious examples that comes to my head, haven't exactly listen to the score or watch the movie lately, but I am positive that there were other out-of-order sequences.

    Regarding Il Postino...didn't it come out the same year as Forrest Gump and Shawshank Redemption, so how did it win best score for the next ? Oh yeah, and I still think Gump is the greatest score ever....sorry to all ya Shawshank fans.

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    posted 09-03-1999 03:39 PM PT (US)     

     pietari
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    Il Postino was a 1995 film, in which category it beat Braveheart etc. Of course it didnīt deserve the award, but may I ask you, do you really have faith in the Academy after last year? Shakespeare in love over Mulan and The Prince of Egypt, and Im donīt even want to metion the drama category

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    posted 09-03-1999 05:21 PM PT (US)     

     Matt
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    Il Postino was 1995, yes. And Shakespeare in Love had a way better score than any disney wannabe musical crap, so there.

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    posted 09-03-1999 09:37 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    Matt, I agree that the musical numbers in Mulan were horrid, but there may never be another Disney film with a score as incredible as the one Goldsmith wrote for Mulan. However, we will probably hear dozens of 'Shakespeare In Love' scores in the future.

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    posted 09-04-1999 12:22 PM PT (US)     
     

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