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    Topic:   DEEP BLUE SEA (Trevor Rabin)

     Ethan
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    Does anyone know if a score only CD is being released. And if anyone has it how close in tone is it to ARMAGEDDON? I saw the film and it seems he used more orchestration in this score and less synth.

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    posted 08-19-1999 10:34 AM PT (US)     

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    Be looking out for it August 24th from varese sarabande. I'm not sure if it'll be short or what- and I doubt it has less synth per se, just knowing how Rabin works- but we'll have to hear the recording next week to know.


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    posted 08-19-1999 10:49 AM PT (US)     

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    Hey!

    The score for DBS is, at least I think, not as good as Armageddon, but a really good buy. I will be getting it. But I will be getting "The Sixth Sense" first I LOVE THAT SCORE AND FILM, even though I got freaked out by it I love to scare myself

    --Crono/Kyp
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    NP: Tarzan: Phil Collins/Mark Mancina (****/*****)

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    posted 08-19-1999 11:49 AM PT (US)     

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    I just got the soundtrack. I got it so I could listen to Deep Blue Sea Montage. It is really good. It may not be good as Armageddon, but I will see. I got the advanced order for the score. I will placing the mp3 version of Deep Blue Sea Montage on my web page very soon.

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    posted 08-20-1999 09:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok...here we go. DBS Track Listing:

    1. Aftermath (2:47)
    2. Susan Softens (2:25)
    3. Journey (4:46)
    4. Main (3:05)
    5. Hunting in Packs (1:43)
    6. Experiment (4:27)
    7. Jim Returns (1:19)
    8. Shark Side (4:27)
    9. Anarchy (4:24)
    10. Doctor's Orders (0:34)

    Total Time: 30:07

    Although the score is short (the movie was, as well), it sounds as if some good action cues and the variations of the very nice, slow theme (as heard during the beginning and ending of the DBS Montage on the Soundtrack album) are included. The orchestrated version of the themes (although the synth bits are still there) sound far better and includes some great choir bits! It has been a while since I saw the movie, so I'm having trouble "placing" some of the cues.

    p.s. The reverse liner notes indicate that the score is dedicated to Godfrey Rabin, Trevor's father.

    Enjoy!

    [This message has been edited by J. Todd Lamanca (edited 08-23-99).]

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    posted 08-23-1999 05:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Now those track names look really stupid.
    I mean I've seen the film many many time becuase of where I work. And I'd say I'm pretty familiar with the film. But by those track names I can't tell what's going on!

    My favorite part in the movie is when the doctor gets his arm bitten off, and must be picked up by the rescue helicoptor..and gets dropped in the water. That was some great action music ! It doesn't look like that part is even on there is it?

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    posted 08-23-1999 06:44 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't think Trevor composed everything for the movie. The film was just wall to wall music [a la Armageddon (cue Harry Gregson-William)] There probably was a second composer, though preferably unknown, working with Trevor. Because after Con Air, Armageddon, and Jack Frost, I don't think it's possible.

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    posted 08-23-1999 11:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Of coarse its well known Alan Silvestri.
    Jack Frost he did on his own.

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    posted 08-23-1999 11:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Actually, from what I read on this board: on Jack Frost, John Van Tongeren wrote about forty minute for the movie. So...

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    posted 08-24-1999 02:01 PM PT (US)     

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    I believe that number 3, Journey, is the helicopter scene. From listening to it, I am pretty sure. I also think that number 7, Jim Returns, is the second part of the helicopter scene where he is thrown against the glass, but I am not as sure on that one. I am also pretty sure about number 9, Anarchy, is the final scene. That is all I know right now. I can't figure out much more right now being that I just got it. I would like to know what other people think the other scenes are in the score.

    NP: Deep Blue Sea: Trevor Rabin (*****/*****)

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    posted 08-24-1999 09:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Bogeyman I know different.

    01.Aftermath - The Finale (extended version)

    02.Susan Softens (part 1) - When Susan explains alzhiemers)

    02.Susan Softens (part 2) - When they raise the shark from the water to take some brain fluids.

    03.Journey - When They Flood The Room, and LL Cool J starts prayings with the other 2 people till the room floods and they race to the suraface, then LL Cool J gets draged by The Shark.

    04.Main (Titles) - Opening Scene

    05.Hunting In Pacts - Sharks try to get this guy in a steal cage. from both sides

    06.Experiments - continuation of Susan Softens (part 2) Fluid is drain from the sharks brain, and tested on the some cell.

    07.Jim Retutns - Jim is straped to a bed, and thrown into a window by a Shark, and the glass slowly starts to crack.

    08.Shark Side - Two men leave the group to go drain a stairway, one man (Tom) is eaten in the prosses, they show his leg floating and its still moving.

    09.Anarchy - continuation of Exeriments, Jim gets his arm bitten off, followed by the rescue Helicoptor,and the Acuatica's Surface blows up after the Helicoptor crashes into it.

    10. Doctor's Orders - Continuation of Susan Softens (don't think this was use in the film)

    Deep Blue Sea 5/5

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    posted 08-25-1999 06:22 AM PT (US)     

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    I have to give the CD a 3/5 just because it was disappointing. The score, in the movie, was good (5/5), but it is not well represented on CD. Most of the soft tracks are way too filler-y music. Only 6 cues gave a clue to what Trevor accomplished for the movie. The remaining 4 I can live without. Not that I need the CD to live anyway.
    Anybody notice how the orchestral swells in track 1 is so similar to a theme in the Abyss? I forgot which.

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    posted 08-25-1999 12:29 PM PT (US)     

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    Only thing I don't like is that the tracks are all mixed up, and the track names make no sense.

    The score is not perfect I know, and I'd probly give at least a 4/5, I know I said 5 before, but that was just a first impression. But still I really like it. One of the best scores this year.

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    posted 08-25-1999 01:24 PM PT (US)     

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    I just heard the "Nightwish" cover of this theme. Awesome stuff.


    Rabin's main theme (which shows up twice during the first track) sounds all majestic and heavenly...the nightwish version w/ electric guitars playing the melody and drums is like a complete contrast.

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    posted 09-14-2007 08:13 PM PT (US)     

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    As gas beeb talked about on here already several times, part of this music was in Shrek. The main theme music in Deep Blue Sea is in hte dragon scene near the end in Shrek.

    J.

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    posted 09-15-2007 08:06 AM PT (US)     

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    Shrek was released in 2001.

    Deep Blue Sea in 99.

    Were you trying to accuse Mr. Rabin of a rip?

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    posted 09-15-2007 11:44 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by John C Winfrey:
    As gas beeb talked about on here already several times, part of this music was in Shrek. The main theme music in Deep Blue Sea is in hte dragon scene near the end in Shrek.

    J.


    Someone needs to do better homework here. Even CC at Filmtracks was strangely clever enough to notice Harry Gregson-Williams and John Powell ripping off Rabin's Deep Blue Sea theme for Shrek.

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    posted 09-15-2007 12:43 PM PT (US)     

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    Theme that HGW came up with is no doubt "similar" but convert midway to become a different phrase. Similar start, different ending.

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    posted 09-15-2007 05:57 PM PT (US)     

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    And let us not forget Brian Tyler's Children of Dune which is basically Shrek and Deep Blue Sea combined...

    Clayton

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    posted 09-16-2007 08:46 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by scoreguy16:
    And let us not forget Brian Tyler's Children of Dune which is basically Shrek and Deep Blue Sea combined...

    Clayton


    Are you kidding?

    CoD sounds nothing like Deep Blue Sea. I ahvent heard shrek.

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    posted 09-16-2007 07:49 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by tjguitar:
    Are you kidding?

    CoD sounds nothing like Deep Blue Sea. I ahvent heard shrek.


    Sure it does. Just listen to "Summon The Worms," "The Jihad," and "End Title" from Children Of Dune. The crux of that theme is from Deep Blue Sea, no doubt about it. There's also the Gladiator thing going on elsewhere throughout that score.


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    posted 09-16-2007 10:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Just gave those tracks a spin...I'll grant that the theme in those tracks do start off similar...but they go in rather different directions. Like maybe a single measure is the same, at most?

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    posted 09-16-2007 11:56 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by tjguitar:
    Just gave those tracks a spin...I'll grant that the theme in those tracks do start off similar...but they go in rather different directions. Like maybe a single measure is the same, at most?

    Right, but it's still obvious where Tyler is coming from.

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    posted 09-17-2007 12:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Fair enough. Of course, its possible he came up with it on his own. You do realize the relatively strict limits within Western melody/harmony, I assume.

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    posted 09-17-2007 08:28 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by tjguitar:
    You do realize the relatively strict limits within Western melody/harmony, I assume.

    No I didn't realize that at all, thanks for shedding some light on this for me. I was buying scores for years with no idea about this, all because I foolishly kept hearing music I'd never heard before; I guess I should stop that silly hobby given the "strict limits" that clearly hinder a composer's attempt at originality.

    It's Children Of Dune! A mediocre score. It's Brian Tyler! A mediocre composer. Yikes.


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    posted 09-17-2007 10:44 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    It's Children Of Dune! A mediocre score. It's Brian Tyler! A mediocre composer. Yikes.


    Are you trying to get smacked?! There are Brian Tyler fanatics all over the place! Not sure why, I kind of call him and Tyler Bates the same thing... Brian Tyler Bates... HA! Sorry... But seriously, you're telling me that writing for a western is so strict that he had to start out his theme using the theme from Deep Blue Sea (and Shrek)? I'd actually say Children of Dune sounds more like Shrek. They start out exactly the same, but I think the last like 4 notes are different (which is sad because the first 12 are the same).

    Clayton

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    posted 09-18-2007 09:33 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by tjguitar:
    [b]You do realize the relatively strict limits within Western melody/harmony, I assume.
    <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    No I didn't realize that at all, thanks for shedding some light on this for me. I was buying scores for years with no idea about this, all because I foolishly kept hearing music I'd never heard before; I guess I should stop that silly hobby given the "strict limits" that clearly hinder a composer's attempt at originality.

    It's Children Of Dune! A mediocre score. It's Brian Tyler! A mediocre composer. Yikes.

    [/B]


    I'm not going to tell you why you should have a hobby or not. As for Children of Dune, there's a ton of Eastern influences on that score, it's actually fairly original compared to a lot of the stuff around at that time. (It's not as good as his Timeline score which came out roughly the same time, though.) (And, It's certainly better than the dreck Graeme Revell composed for the first dune miniseries) And Brian Tyler....A mediocre composer you say? Thats nonsense. CoD isn't my favorite BT score, but even the BT haters tend to like this one. He's one of the most innovative composers around combining elements of rock with that of the orchestra. Thats also why I love Trevor Rabin's work. And BT can still write pure orchestral works which sound as good as anything anyone else is doing (Partition) As can Rabin (The Great Raid).

    Originality doesn't mean you can't use similar (or the same!) chord progressions (lets throw out the entire Blues genre, why don't we?),

    You're the one claiming lack of originality here, and if we're going by your criteria, when you want to compare melodic phrases which sound completely different, only sharing a few identical starting notes. There are 16 keys. you can construct a fair amount of chords (but certainly not unlimited!), and utilize different octaves and such, but the odds of you composing something cold turkey, being influenced by Western music, being trained in Western music, that ends up sounding like something that's been done before, in Western music, is pretty damn likely. Which is why its annoying to no end whenever anyone thinks they are cool and notices a single note similar from one composer to the next, they assume it's plagiarism.

    And I was talking strictly about melodic and harmonic composition. There's a whole bunch of **** you can do in the orchestration, using meter, etc, which can make things rather more complex, even if its not entirely original.


    I had a professor who was paid to show that someone had plagiarised an artists work, and basically said if he wanted to, he could easily find an example of it being used earlier than the artist who was paying him to show the similarities.

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    posted 09-18-2007 09:52 AM PT (US)     

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    Originally posted by scoreguy16:
    I think the last like 4 notes are different (which is sad because the first 12 are the same).

    Clayton

    LMAO! I love that. You know why, Clayton? Apparently you're liable to get sued if you write a piece of music that has the same 16 (that's right, 16!) notes as another piece of music ... Tyler's master plan worked: He only copied 12, not 16; he's lucky that Brian Tyler Bates: Now I hope his publicist/basket-case-jerk/pompous windbag fanboy Ryan Keveaney comes in here to tell us Brian Tyler is the Shakespeare/Plato of music. BTW, bring on those Internet slappers! HAHA.

    [Message edited by sean on 09-18-2007]

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